Micky Adams please

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Ollessendro said:
The question the board have to ask is 'do we pick the right long term choice and risk going down, or go for a 'scrapper' stay up and languish for several more seasons?.
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In my opinion, it's the obsession amongst some Blades fans (and Directors?) with wanting to see "passing" football that's led us to the desperate situation we now find ourselves in. It's far more important at the moment that we appoint a manager who believes in "attacking" football, of whatever style. Lord knows we've seen enough boring, negative football from successive managers since our last promotion in 2006. Let's get a new manager in who sends his teams out to attack, entertain and score goals! Regardless of how many passes it takes to get there..
 



IMO, we haven't recovered from the Scunny home game. We were looking reasonably good in the few games up to that and there were signs of where we might be going, importantly, confidence was building. We're looking like a team who has never played football at the moment, no-one wants the ball or knows what to do with it if they get it. To me the need for results put paid to the change of style and emphasis and no-one knows what we should be doing now. I can't see how that's going to change much under a new manager.
 
If you aren't winning, all styles of football are pants. I think because of the lack of any style in Blackwell's sides (sort of defensive hoof, the worst of all worlds) we've (I too) been pushed toward the idea that the only alternative is free flowing football. The most exiting time I've had in 30 odd years was 2003/ 4 under Warnock. The first half season under Blackwell was terrific. That wasn't purist football. Basset's days were as far from pure football as it gets, yet we all loved the majority of it. As long as it seems part of a cohesive plan , as long as there's some passion in the play, winning is what it's all about.

UTB
 
Rustyblade said:
Good god! Have we really fallen this far? :eek:
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We've fallen as far as wanting Mickey Hoof Adams as manager!

I see he led his mighty Vale team to a narrow defeat at..............Morecambe.

Just the job.

Pathetic.

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alcoblade said:
If you aren't winning, all styles of football are pants. I think because of the lack of any style in Blackwell's sides (sort of defensive hoof, the worst of all worlds) we've (I too) been pushed toward the idea that the only alternative is free flowing football. The most exiting time I've had in 30 odd years was 2003/ 4 under Warnock. The first half season under Blackwell was terrific. That wasn't purist football. Basset's days were as far from pure football as it gets, yet we all loved the majority of it. As long as it seems part of a cohesive plan , as long as there's some passion in the play, winning is what it's all about.

UTB
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No it isn't. Is there some unwritten rule that SUFC cannot play good football AND win?

Bassett's last 18 months were absolutely dire: So were the vast majority of Warnock's and Hoof's reigns.

Sorry, proper football, we've given you about 20 games and you've failed. You're fired! Back to the hoof that has delighted so many for so many years.

Once more, I despair.
 
Who do you want,Pinchy,who you believe will keep us up ?
 
Sothall_Blade said:
In my opinion, it's the obsession amongst some Blades fans (and Directors?) with wanting to see "passing" football that's led us to the desperate situation we now find ourselves in. It's far more important at the moment that we appoint a manager who believes in "attacking" football, of whatever style. Lord knows we've seen enough boring, negative football from successive managers since our last promotion in 2006. Let's get a new manager in who sends his teams out to attack, entertain and score goals! Regardless of how many passes it takes to get there..
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You're contradicting yourself. You're expecting to get a manager who who attacks, but his team doesn't play a passing game. Ok, so we hoof it but in a positive way. Great.

Are you seriously saying you would be happy with another hoof merchant (i.e. Adams) at the reins?
 
I genuinely do not care what style of football the manager plays as long as it gets us results.

People saying that they want a manager who plays X type of football just baffles me, surely 3 points gained via hoofing is better than 0 points gained by passing and trying to play sexy football?

I just want a manager who can come in, get the team and tactics right and propel us up the table and to safety this year and turns us into decent contenders in the future. If he does that by hoofball, then fair enough, if he can do it by playing attractive passing football then ever better but I will not write a manager off just because he plays hoofball, no matter how successful that may have been.
 
Strangely enough I have been looking at the League Manager's association to see who is available and noticed that Adams is 2nd in the performance table

Phil Parkinson
Micky Adams
Paul Buckle
Sir Alex Ferguson CBE
Nigel Adkins
Neil Warnock
Roberto Mancini
Keith Millen
Russell Slade
Lee Clark

http://www.leaguemanagers.com/
 
Sothall_Blade said:
In my opinion, it's the obsession amongst some Blades fans (and Directors?) with wanting to see "passing" football that's led us to the desperate situation we now find ourselves in. It's far more important at the moment that we appoint a manager who believes in "attacking" football, of whatever style. Lord knows we've seen enough boring, negative football from successive managers since our last promotion in 2006. Let's get a new manager in who sends his teams out to attack, entertain and score goals! Regardless of how many passes it takes to get there..
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Ollessendro said:
You're contradicting yourself. You're expecting to get a manager who who attacks, but his team doesn't play a passing game. Ok, so we hoof it but in a positive way. Great. Are you seriously saying you would be happy with another hoof merchant (i.e. Adams) at the reins?
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No contradiction at all. The most attacking ,entertaining, high-goalscoring Blades teams I've seen were under Porterfield (circa 81), Bassett (circa 89/90), Kendall (circa 95 when he first came), Spackman (circa 97) and Warnock (circa 03). Some of those teams played "passing" football some of them played "hoofball", some played a mixture of both but what they had in common was that they were attack-minded, entertaining to watch and also successful.

Kendall and Blackwell's teams that reached the play-offs are good examples of teams that were defensive, dull to watch and successful. People are obsessed with wanting "passing" football, I want attacking, entertaining football and they are two very different desires.
 
bartman said:
Who do you want,Pinchy,who you believe will keep us up ?
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Coppell or SOD mate. Either would keep us up. What baffles me, S5 Blade, is this absurd notion that hoof brings assured safety but proper football means failure. It's a philosophy of despair. It is a self-perpetuating monster. We can't recruit proper footballers because it doesn't suit our 'style' of play: We can't change our style of play because our players (donkeys, plodders and mediocrities) can't adapt. Consequence: Eternal hoofball.

I've had enough of mind-numbing Bassett, Warnock, Sackedwell, Adams style pub football. I take little or no pleasure in 3 scrappy points followed by a scrappy point followed by a scrappy defeat and so on ad infinitum.

Who wrote the script that says SUFC have to be limited battlers? It doesn't have to be that way. I'm now middle aged: I don't want to see Son of Blackwell picking Son of Monty in my declining years!

As to SOD not wanting the job - He'd walk down the M18. Just as there is no comparison between the respective teams at present there is, equally, not the slightest doubt that SUFC dwarf Donny in terms of tradition, fanbase, stature and long-term potential. He'd take the job alright. He'd keep us up and turn us into a Promotion team playing proper
football with proper players. He'd do it within budget as well.

Let it be so.
 
Ollessendro said:
Adams is not the answer IMO.

Why is it that all the Blades fans wanted rid of Warnock and Blackwell, because the football was not attractive enough, yet are callling just as bigger kick and rush merchant the saviour?
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Didn't see a big shout for either Blackwell (and certainly not Warnock to go) both seemed rush decisions to me. Results matter and no one can claim we didn't have some fantastic times with Warnock just watch the higlights of the forest playoff match and see what quality passing took place that night. Only Arsenal play pure football in any league - mixing it up is no bad thing. Blackwell's problem was he was a one trick pony. Micky Adam's Port Vale certainly don't look that!

We have to accept we are about passion with the budget we have. Micky Admas would do well and restore some pride.
 
Tony Currie said:
Didn't see a big shout for either Blackwell (and certainly not Warnock to go) both seemed rush decisions to me. Results matter and no one can claim we didn't have some fantastic times with Warnock just watch the higlights of the forest playoff match and see what quality passing took place that night. Only Arsenal play pure football in any league - mixing it up is no bad thing. Blackwell's problem was he was a one trick pony. Micky Adam's Port Vale certainly don't look that!

We have to accept we are about passion with the budget we have. Micky Admas would do well and restore some pride.
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Bring on Micky Admas then! Better still bring on Micky Adnams. At least we could get pissed whilst watching Micky Adams' turgid hoofball.

History repeats itself: First as tragedy, then as farce.
 
Going down would be awful.
For me, I've given up on the fancy football of knocking it round the back 4 fannying about for it until we managed to walk it into the box and score. I want to see us bombard the box, weather it be a long ball from the centre half or with wingers getting to the byline and whipping the ball in.
We need someone who can come in who knows the lower leagues really and can work on free transfers. We need to dig in now, have a clear out and keep on at mid table. I cant see a passing football manager being able to do that. We need passion back at the lane. Adams I would go with, but whoever it is, we need to think it through this time not rush.
 



Worksop II said:
Thing is, if Micky Adams does turn up at the Lane, first name on the teamsheet will be Monty - sorry
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Absolutely right Worksop. Your observation says it all about Adams. If that's what you want vote for it. I'll stick to football.

Haven't we been here before?
 
Ollessendro said:
Why is it that all the Blades fans wanted rid of Warnock and Blackwell, because the football was not attractive enough, yet are callling just as bigger kick and rush merchant the saviour?
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I think for the people that favour a Micky Adams, its a case of needs must and being realistic. At the time KB left the club and people were calling for "better football" I was open to the idea and thought yes why not? Lets try something different.....although my willingness to see this was from being safe in the knowledge that our team would be good enough to cope with the transition.....I was wrong in that assumption and now feel that any type of football (as long as it wins games) is acceptable. In other words the results are far more important than the style. That said, I've always ultimately held that as priority anyway.

Being totally honest, I'm not sure who the right man is anymore. We've made that many mistakes of late (including managerial appointments) its difficult to say what we need without the benefit of hindsight. Micky Adams is my preferred choice simply because it is a gut feeling. I can imagine that he would be the type of manager to rev the players up and get us picking up points again but time will tell on whoever we appoint.
 
Pinchy said:
Absolutely right Worksop. Your observation says it all about Adams. If that's what you want vote for it. I'll stick to football.

Haven't we been here before?
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To be honest I am leaning towards Micky Adams, but to be fair to him and any other applicants, the hand they are going to be dealt is dire, Relegation would be fair deserts for McCabe.

I suppose he will spin whoever takes over as a New Start, but knowing our luck we will get the right man, McCabe will find his Investment, sod off, and the New Bunch will sack the Manager.

Probably gonna be a Caretaker, Morgan for example, no New Wages to find.
 
For all Morgan's excellent qualities I wouldn't want him anywhere near the job. He would out-hoof the lot of them!
 
Also from that forum

"Obviously the sooner this situation is sorted the better,SUFC have caused conjecture and maybe unrest in at least 4 clubs, at an important time of the season."

Eh! We have caused unrest? Gary Speed caused the unrest by leaving!

Idiots!

;)
 
Just a thought......

Has anyone bothered to ask Port Vale fans if Adams is hoof or not??

I seem to remember him doing very well at Fulham, and Leicester.

Then again, not so with Cov....but no one has done well with them for a long time!
 
Gingerblade said:
Just a thought......

Has anyone bothered to ask Port Vale fans if Adams is hoof or not??

I seem to remember him doing very well at Fulham, and Leicester.

Then again, not so with Cov....but no one has done well with them for a long time!
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They're certainly gutted about him leaving but considering he's taken them to an automatic promotion position from nowhere you could understand it. They seem to think he plays decentish football but it is only Division 4 !

He was a bit hoof at Leicester but those were the days when that was the thing to do and he did it pretty well. As long as he has an attacking approach, that will be a blessing in itself.
 
Highbury_Blade said:
HAs he even got any of his badges yet?
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No he hasn't got any yet. Next courses won't take place till around feb next year for level 1, and most of them in this area are already booked up. Having said that I'm sure they'd fit a pro in on one, but he won't be able to do one unless he his fit enough for a kick around, you play in quite a few games (training excerises), and they have them up at our academy (where I took mine.)
 



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