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[lenners]

worst forward line? Boro have spent considerably more on their forward line than 90% of the other teams in the division.

We spent more on our centre forward than Boro - he's still shyte.
Anyone who watched that match yesterday would conclude that both forward lines were shocking.
The only difference was Boyd could score in a one-on-one, Ched can't.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

We spent more on our centre forward than Boro - he's still shyte.
Anyone who watched that match yesterday would conclude that both forward lines were shocking.
The only difference was Boyd could score in a one-on-one, Ched can't.

I said forward line, which I'm sure you are aware of going on you obviously ignoring the point and making one of your own.

 

[lenners]

I said forward line, which I'm sure you are aware of going on you obviously ignoring the point and making one of your own.

I make the entirely relevant point that spending a lot of money does not equate to acquiring a good player.
We have the evidence in front of our own eyes.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I make the entirely relevant point that spending a lot of money does not equate to acquiring a good player.
We have the evidence in front of our own eyes.

We disagree, there isn't a forward in the league who wouldn't lose possession with no support within 30 yards.

 

[lenners]

We disagree, there isn't a forward in the league who wouldn't lose possession with no support within 30 yards.

It's lack of support, he isn't fully fit, he's young, he's too much of a footballer to fit in with hoofball, he just needs a goal etc, etc.
It's starting to wear a bit thin.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I totally agree, you are.

 

[SwissBlade]

The only difference was Boyd could score in a one-on-one, Ched can't.

Quite correct that Boyd finishes, but thats all he does - ask any Rangers fan.

However, I think with a bit of tweaking and consistent quality balls into his feet like the one yesterday, Ched'll do well this year. I think he needs to work on his composure rather than his striking

 

[norfolkblade]

As I have said numerous times, Ched will do well AS LONG AS HE ISN'T PLAYED ON HIS OWN!!!

The lads 21 (I think?!) and ultimately still learning his trade, hardly going to make much of an impact as a lone striker is he!

 

[SwissBlade]

As I have said numerous times, Ched will do well AS LONG AS HE ISN'T PLAYED ON HIS OWN!!!

The lads 21 (I think?!) and ultimately still learning his trade, hardly going to make much of an impact as a lone striker is he!

What you actually said was that we need Midfielders (see Jason Roberts Thread in Rumours section http://www.s24su.com/showthread.php?19993-Jason-Roberts&p=270100&viewfull=1#post270100). And I agree with this rather than the comment that Ched will score if he has a striker partner

 

[norfolkblade]

What you actually said was that we need Midfielders (see Jason Roberts Thread in Rumours section http://www.s24su.com/showthread.php?19993-Jason-Roberts&p=270100&viewfull=1#post270100). And I agree with this rather than the comment that Ched will score if he has a striker partner

I've said that a couple of times on here somewhere I'm sure, but that is generally my opinion having watched him play a lot in his spell at Norwich, the potential is definitely there, we just need to find the right formula to unlock it, which I think lies in my post which you have pointed out in another thread (I'm glad somebody agrees with me!)

 

[Compound_Legend]

Cast your mind back to January 1988..

A team bring in a manager who's not been particularly successful with his last club.He brings in 3 Watford and 1 Wimbledon reject - some that gel straight away,some that don't,but as hard as he tries,the club lose their play off semi final and get relegated.

The following season,he decides to bring in a 21yr old kid from Doncaster who is virtually unknown,to put alongside the successful Watford reject - out of the other 2 from Vicarage Road,one is restricted to bit parts before injury ends his career,the other is despatched up to Scotland. The team bounce straight back up as runners up.

The season after that..they get promoted again as runners up to the old 1st Division.

If this had happened today,he wouldn't have got past the play off defeat,as the screams of derision,bile & vitriol would have been deafening...especially with some posters on here.But when you put the name of Sheffield United and that of Dave Bassett into the above,things become a whole lot different.

This may take time...and in the words of Nat King Cole,there may be trouble ahead.But for crying out loud,lets not write off Gary Speed after one game.

 

[Micalijo]

Cast your mind back to January 1988..

A team bring in a manager who's not been particularly successful with his last club.He brings in 3 Watford and 1 Wimbledon reject - some that gel straight away,some that don't,but as hard as he tries,the club lose their play off semi final and get relegated.

The following season,he decides to bring in a 21yr old kid from Doncaster who is virtually unknown,to put alongside the successful Watford reject - out of the other 2 from Vicarage Road,one is restricted to bit parts before injury ends his career,the other is despatched up to Scotland. The team bounce straight back up as runners up.

The season after that..they get promoted again as runners up to the old 1st Division.

If this had happened today,he wouldn't have got past the play off defeat,as the screams of derision,bile & vitriol would have been deafening...especially with some posters on here.But when you put the name of Sheffield United and that of Dave Bassett into the above,things become a whole lot different.

This may take time...and in the words of Nat King Cole,there may be trouble ahead.But for crying out loud,lets not write off Gary Speed after one game.

Nobody is writing Speed off Compo. The team he picked on Saturday was pretty much the best he could muster amidst our squad of crocks and no-hopers and let's hope he can work miracles in next few months.

I wonder if Blackie watched it on TV and pissed himself laughing as he went over his settlement details with his lawyer?

 

[lenners]

Are you telling us we're going down Compound?
Because the rest of it has got absolutely no relevance to SUFC in 2010.

 

[Tuns]

If we produced another Deano he'd be sold within 6 months.

Wonder how many clubs put a cheeky bid in for Ched in the summer after seeing him show all this 'potential' so many Blades fans seem to have seen in him.

Let's face it he's rubbish. No pace, not commanding in the air, not a target man, not a cool finisher, not got a footballing brain, not one to run his legs off - just what are his attributes? If he hadn't cost up to £3m and come from Man City he'd have been hounded out long ago.

It was blingingly obvious from the performance and attitude of the players against QPR that we needed serious surgery from top to bottom. Some players and staff need a rocket up their backsides.

Judging by Sunday the players look like they are still ticking along in their comfort zones with nothing changed and nothing to worry about from that nice Mr Speed.

Hopefully Speed can still provide the sort of new manager impetus that you usually get when you make an external appointment.

 

[lenners]

If any club had put a bid in for Ched he would be gone.
We'd jump at the chance to get him off the wage bill.

 

[Micalijo]

If we produced another Deano he'd be sold within 6 months.

Wonder how many clubs put a cheeky bid in for Ched in the summer after seeing him show all this 'potential' so many Blades fans seem to have seen in him.

Let's face it he's rubbish. No pace, not commanding in the air, not a target man, not a cool finisher, not got a footballing brain, not one to run his legs off - just what are his attributes? If he hadn't cost up to £3m and come from Man City he'd have been hounded out long ago.

It was blingingly obvious from the performance and attitude of the players against QPR that we needed serious surgery from top to bottom. Some players and staff need a rocket up their backsides.

Judging by Sunday the players look like they are still ticking along in their comfort zones with nothing changed and nothing to worry about from that nice Mr Speed.

Hopefully Speed can still provide the sort of new manager impetus that you usually get when you make an external appointment.

Love it Tuns

 

[Micalijo]

If any club had put a bid in for Ched he would be gone.
We'd jump at the chance to get him off the wage bill.

Development player who gets no help from his teammates Lenners. He's only 21, don't be too hard on him.

 

[SwissBlade]

I've said that a couple of times on here somewhere I'm sure, but that is generally my opinion having watched him play a lot in his spell at Norwich, the potential is definitely there, we just need to find the right formula to unlock it, which I think lies in my post which you have pointed out in another thread (I'm glad somebody agrees with me!)

I'm just messing with you mate, I think he can play the lone striker role, but its not where he works best, seems to get lost there, but Cresswell would play this role better for me.

Looking at Wardy yesterday he was always looking to get Ched involved and it was the first time I thought he could link up well with Chedwyn (although I think Ward is better on the wings)perhaps as a pair they could work IF we get a decent pacey winger who can actually put a decent ball into our strikers.

 

[lenners]

I'm just messing with you mate, I think he can play the lone striker role, but its not where he works best, seems to get lost there, but Cresswell would play this role better for me.

Looking at Wardy yesterday he was always looking to get Ched involved and it was the first time I thought he could link up well with Chedwyn (although I think Ward is better on the wings)perhaps as a pair they could work IF we get a decent pacey winger who can actually put a decent ball into our strikers.

Considering he's been a lone striker, part of a duo, been brought on as a potential impact sub and he's done 'eff all in every role just what is it that Ched Evans is supposed to be good at?

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I'll tell you what, if we're moaning and groaning the Boro supporters must be going off the edge of the planet. They were completely and utterly shite, even after signing half the Scottish top division. Complain about our performance if you like, but if that is how they are going to play every week they'll be in some serious trouble, because they aren't going to get a Morgan mistake like that every week and that was the only way they ever looked like scoring.

 

[super_pig]

well i'm normally one of the most cynical bastards on this board, but if some of you think that speed can turn round that bag if shite in one week then you're seriously off your heads

 

[Blade58]

Ched? Tuns post make's a lot of sense and really backs up my thoughts

After yesterday, I've fallen out with the fella big time. I have always given him the benefit of the doubt, in the hope he would come good.

Alas, yesterday for me sought of brought it home that I don't think I could even justify paying hime out in washers.

He was imho, bone idle. I see no runs from him, or at least him attempting to give the player with the ball an option. He hides wherever possible.

All teams defend from the front. I see no closing down or harrassment of the opposition defenders with the ball. If he does make an approach it's a token effort, a jog over, knowing full well there'll be no challange. For all Wards faults and yes he has some, he at least closes players down and does it with some urgency.

As for this he's only 21, how old should he be before he comes good?

Furthermore, he wont make 22 at BL because he'll a) f'k off of his own accord. Or b) we'll sell him (Incidently, he already looks like he doesn't want to be here)

At this moment in time for me, he does nothing to warrant wearing the shirt


Yesterday for me wasn't about Gary Speed or what he's trying to achieve. Yesterday was about 11 players out on the pitch applying themselves and frankly, against what can only be described as an absolute inept performance from Boro, who were there for the taking, we failed miserably. Some of those players in terms of effort, commitment and application, ought to be ashamed of themselves and I never thought I'd say that about Sheffield United, a team renown for their battling qualities.



As I said in previous posts, for Gary it's a baptism of fire!

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Typical football fan mentality....moan and groan at the performance until you're lost for words, then turn it onto one player

Ched Evans is definately not worth £3M (if we believe that is what we're paying for him). I dont have any problem admitting that but on the flip side it would be foolish not to see the potential in him. Some of you point at Ched and criticise but whilst you're also blaming the rest of the team/manager et al. could it not be a possibility that Ched gets fuck all help/service from his team mates?....

The lad was absolutely lethal in this division for Norwich and has been most other places including Wales U21 and at Man City....albeit in the reserves but they rated him very highly. I know as much because I have a number of friends who are City fans.

He is still young that much is true, though that excuse doesnt wash with me. The excuse I will offer for him, is that he has joined a club on a downward spiral (still descending at the moment if I'm honest) and has little if no help from players around him. He's not going to run around like a headless chicken a la Monty or Quinn....he's a centre forward who looks to get into good positions and feed off service from those in behind him. But guess what he's not getting?????

The Cardiff game was an example of what he can do with the right service. A good ball from Britton into Evans, one touch, BANG! :thumbup:

Look at the big picture, not just Chedwyn.

 

[SwissBlade]

Considering he's been a lone striker, part of a duo, been brought on as a potential impact sub and he's done 'eff all in every role just what is it that Ched Evans is supposed to be good at?

Not making excuses for Evans, but its been odd games here and there in a variety of those positions and how many games has he been kept on for the full game...

I'm a big believer in playing strikers in the same system week in week out. We did exactly the same with Billy.

Noth Strikers were second fiddle strikers (to BT and Henderson)

Neither Striker got/gets the service they need.

Of course you won't agree Lenners, but I think Evans, with service will get goals.

And of course you will continue to write Ched off because of his price tag.

 

[lenners]

So the potential is he scored a virtually unmissable goal against Cardiff?
What about lack of pace, inability to control the ball, lack of ability to bring others into play, lack of penetrating runs, lack of heading ability?
I hope he goes on to score 25 goals (at which point he would definitely be sold) but he's played I'd guess 30 to 40 matches now and I'm at a loss to see what ability he actually has.
That doesn't mean everything is down to him, it isn't.
But we've scored one goal in four games and in the games I've seen we've hardly looked like scoring at all.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

So the potential is he scored a virtually unmissable goal against Cardiff?
What about lack of pace, inability to control the ball, lack of ability to bring others into play, lack of penetrating runs, lack of heading ability?
I hope he goes on to score 25 goals (at which point he would definitely be sold) but he's played I'd guess 30 to 40 matches now and I'm at a loss to see what ability he actually has.
That doesn't mean everything is down to him, it isn't.
But we've scored one goal in four games and in the games I've seen we've hardly looked like scoring at all.

Precisely. He hasn't been missing lots of chances because we havent created any. His job is to stick the ball in the net. As for bringing others into play....good players bring themselves into play.

The problems are collective and there are far more inadequacies to us at the moment than those of a service starved centre forward.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Considering he's been a lone striker, part of a duo, been brought on as a potential impact sub and he's done 'eff all in every role just what is it that Ched Evans is supposed to be good at?

On the OS Speed describes him as one of our best players on Sunday, but points out that he got little support from the rest of the team.

Although I suppose we need to take into acccount that you know far more about what makes a player than the likes of Gary Speed. In your mind, anyway.

 

[SwissBlade]

So the potential is he scored a virtually unmissable goal against Cardiff?
What about lack of pace, inability to control the ball, lack of ability to bring others into play, lack of penetrating runs, lack of heading ability?
I hope he goes on to score 25 goals (at which point he would definitely be sold) but he's played I'd guess 30 to 40 matches now and I'm at a loss to see what ability he actually has.
That doesn't mean everything is down to him, it isn't.
But we've scored one goal in four games and in the games I've seen we've hardly looked like scoring at all.

I can see were getting nowhere anyway then as when he scores its "virtually unmissable" - give it a rest Lenners

You've obviously just taken random thoughts about what you think a striker needs and applied them to Ched, even if they are incorrect when it comes to Ched
Lack of pace - I'll give you that one although not critical
Inability to control the ball - Wheres this one come from? His touch is good
Lack of ability to bring others into play - Huh? When was this then. He has good vision and a decent touch
Lack of Penetrating runs - How did he get to the one on one yesterday then Lenners, looked like a decent penetrating run to me
Lack of Heading Ability - I've not seen much of him in the air, but what I've seen has been poor.

What about his movement generally, his support play, his shooting, one on ones etc?

Some things he's good at, some he's not - Ched was almost summed up in his chance yesterday and his goal v Cardiff. He has the ability to take the easy chances, but doesn't always have the composure.

Your last sentence highlights where your problem is. Having a go at Ched serves no purpose. The whole lot are poor just now, they need time.

 

[chipsncake]

On the OS Speed describes him as one of our best players on Sunday, but points out that he got little support from the rest of the team.

Although I suppose we need to take into acccount that you know far more about what makes a player than the likes of Gary Speed. In your mind, anyway.

Comments like this from our manager really worry me. Evans was embarrasingly poor in every department yesterday. and he, like Bartley, has shown nothing since the day he joined the club to suggest he is capable of performing at this level. If the manager can't see this then we have even bigger problems than I at first thought.

 

[SwissBlade]

Evans was embarrasingly poor in every department yesterdayQUOTE]

and he, like Bartley, has shown nothing since the day he joined the club to suggest he is capable of performing at this level.

Thought we were reasonably solid at the back

I can just feel the positivity oozing out of this thread

Ok we lost and played poorly as a team, but we've not even given the new manager a week.. plus his head coach had been with us a day or two max