McCabe to develop former Don Valley (Olympic Legacy Park)?

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Chali 2na said:
I don't agree, but even if you are right; why would we prioritise rebuilding the kop over expanding the South stand? (Considering expanding the South stand would be far more cost effective.)



The inclusion of student flats or similar ventures would change things. Do such plans exist?
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tyke1889 said:
Why couldn't we, the club, build the student accommodation as part of the development and trouser the proceeds?
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A planning submission including accomodation as part of the Kop development has already been submitted and accepted . The proceeds from this accomodation is a little less clear however . It would be McCabe who funded the development in one way or another so in theory he's be entitled to the proceeds . I'm sure you'll agree though that our fan base would be ever so slightly hostile if this transpired .
 

snootyfenooty said:
You can do a UXO survey before any excavation or construction. It would take a couple of weeks and costs peanuts compared to the overall construction cost. It involves the hydraulic pushing into the rubble of a probe with special sensors built in to detect UXO. You'd get full coverage of the whole kop with about 30-40 probes. It's quite a common technique.

I've mentioned before on this forum that the main issue with the rubble under the kop is hazardous waste material and the disposal/clean up costs associated with this would run into millions before you even start any construction. That's even assuming you'd find a landfill operator willing to take it. Removal of that mound is a non-starter.
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Very interesting. Makes it even less likely in that case.

coolhandluke said:
A planning submission including accomodation as part of the Kop development has already been submitted and accepted .
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You're talking about the corner between the kop and the South stand aren't you?

I was talking about levelling the kop and rebuilding it.
 
Chali 2na said:
I'm sorry to break it to you, but multi-million pound investments to the stadium won't be based on what "kop fans deserve". Any such plans will be financial.
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Oh I know that, doesn't make us any less deserving or long suffering though :( It needs to be done at some stage, the ROI problem will always be there whether it's done now or in the future, surely?
 
Chali 2na said:
Very interesting. Makes it even less likely in that case.



You're talking about the corner between the kop and the South stand aren't you?

I was talking about levelling the kop and rebuilding it.
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I was of the understanding that the plans submitted were for the John Street shoreham street corner . I could be wrong though .

I'm also reasonably confident that the plans submitted would have to include levelling the entire shoreham street site .
 
coolhandluke said:
A planning submission including accomodation as part of the Kop development has already been submitted and accepted . The proceeds from this accomodation is a little less clear however . It would be McCabe who funded the development in one way or another so in theory he's be entitled to the proceeds . I'm sure you'll agree though that our fan base would be ever so slightly hostile if this transpired .
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It'll be like the whole "Freehold" issue all over again!
 
tyke1889 said:
Oh I know that, doesn't make us any less deserving or long suffering though :( It needs to be done at some stage, the ROI problem will always be there whether it's done now or in the future, surely?
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Yes and I feel your pain as I sit there to.

I think purely in terms of an investment, it's a non-starter. If we become more successful, and regularly sell out; there is a possibility of making alterations to the current structure (think the world cup plans from a few years back.)

coolhandluke said:
I was of the understanding that the plans submitted were for the John Street shoreham street corner . I could be wrong though .
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Precisely, what does that have to do with completely levelling and rebuilding the kop?
 
Chali 2na said:
Yes and I feel your pain as I sit there to.

I think purely in terms of an investment, it's a non-starter. If we become more successful, and regularly sell out; there is a possibility of making alterations to the current structure (think the world cup plans from a few years back.)



Precisely, what does that have to do with completely levelling and rebuilding the kop?
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The accomodation alone has absolutely no bearing at all on levelling the shoreham street site but the proposed Kop development outlined in the planning application would .

Let me see if I can dig out ( pardon the pun ) the submission to clarify matters either way .
 
The exsisting kop stays other than the roof and pillars going then extended back with 3000 more seats on a steeper rake ,the facade at the back goes onto what is the car park the rest of the land is earmarked for student housing ,
 
I'd rather they just ripped all the seats out. Fuck your facilities it's the kop. Not having to piss all over the bloke in front of you is a luxury that you spend an extra £2 for and a seat on the south stand
 
Would make more sense to extend the south stand as its virtually sold out with season ticket holders
 
twofootedtackle said:
Would make more sense to extend the south stand as its virtually sold out with season ticket holders
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The bonus of this being they would add a row of exec boxes / seating increasing the revenue which could be achieved.

That said the pop is awful and needs attention.

For me though we need some stabilisation in this league before any further improvements. However should we somehow achieve promotion quickly then it may force the club's hand to increase the capacity and hence the pop improvements.
 

Chali 2na said:
I acknowledged that the unexploded bomb theory is a myth, but you say:



It would slow it down a lot. Any time spent with the stand not build or partially built costs money, and lowers revenue.



I can see you being disappointed in the not too distant future:
Firstly, we're in no position to be increasing the capacity as we rarely sell out.
Secondly, the kop is the cheapest stand in the ground. Meaning that it would take longer to return the investment.
Thirdly, the South stand is more convenient to extend in terms of practicality and cost, so that would be done prior to re-building the kop.

I'm about to make some assumptions, so adjust the figures as you see fit, but:

If the development cost us around £40m, and increased the capacity by 10,000, each seat would in effect cost £4000. If the average seat on the kop is worth about £300p/a to the club, then it would take over 13 years to break even, not including the revenue lost when the stand was out of action.
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£40M?

Spend it on the first team and academy redundancies.
 
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/firme...er-strikes-olympic-legacy-park-deal-1-8708701

'Firmer footing' for rugby and women's football as Blades owner strikes Olympic Legacy Park deal
Published: 16:23 Thursday 17 August 2017
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The new 3G pitch at the Olympic Legacy Park in Attercliffe.


Alex Moore


Sheffield United's co-owner is winning the race to build a new sports stadium that could provide a permanent home for rugby and women's football in the city.

The board of the Olympic Legacy Park, or OLP, has chosen Kevin McCabe's Scarborough Group to develop stands around the completed 3G pitch at the complex in Attercliffe.

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Sheffield United co-owner and Scarborough Group founder Kevin McCabe
Early indications are that it will be the new home of Sheffield United Ladies FC.

Sheffield Eagles RLFC had hoped to find the money to build the stadium itself in order to create a permanent home for its first team, which currently plays 'home' matches in Wakefield.

That investment, which depended on a green power plant also being built, has not yet materialised. But OLP project lead Richard Caborn said the commitment to the rugby club remained.

"We have made it absolutely clear to everyone who made an approach that it would also be the home for Sheffield Eagles," the former sports minister said.

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Olympic Legacy Park project lead Richard Caborn
"We spent a lot of money for a 3G pitch. It's one of the best pitches in the country now for playing rugby on.

"We will have delivered everything they want in terms of a pitch and floodlighting."

The club has struggled to find a home since Don Valley Stadium - where the OLP now sits - closed in September 2013. The first team has played around Sheffield, in Doncaster, and this season in Wakefield.

Last summer the club was forced to rely on a supporters' campaign, which raised £20,000, to keep it going.

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Sheffield Eagles playing in Wakefield this season.
The Eagles had hoped to get full development rights for the stadium in order to maximise possible revenue.

But Mr Caborn said the promise of a permanent home would still help the commercial and corporate potential of the Eagles, bringing 'sustainable' income.

"That should, I hope, get them onto a much firmer footing," he said.

"There's good will to make sure it happens. We all want the Eagles to play there - no-one more than myself, because I promised them."

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Sheffield United Ladies could play at the OLP.
The club will now meet with Scarborough Group to discuss the way forward.

Eagles chairman Chris Noble MBE has previously warned the club will struggle to survive another season away from Sheffield.

“We have done five seasons away and that’s five years of very little sponsorship, and a spectator base which has gradually decreased,” he said.

"The costs of running the club have gone up and we have been left trapped in a corner.”

The pitch will also be used by Oasis Academy Don Valley pupils and UTC Sheffield Olympic Legacy Park students during the day, and will be open to the community at certain times as well.

And if Scarborough Group's plans come to fruition, it could be a big boost for the women's game in the city.

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How the finished OLP should look, minus the stadium.
Sheffield United Community Ladies FC came under the Blades banner in September last year, dropping the 'community' label. The first team currently plays at Swallownest Miners Welfare Club in Rotherham Road - and was this year crowned East Midlands Premier League champion - but a move to the OLP would give much greater exposure.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/firme...er-strikes-olympic-legacy-park-deal-1-8708701

'Firmer footing' for rugby and women's football as Blades owner strikes Olympic Legacy Park deal
Published: 16:23 Thursday 17 August 2017
image.jpg

The new 3G pitch at the Olympic Legacy Park in Attercliffe.


Alex Moore


Sheffield United's co-owner is winning the race to build a new sports stadium that could provide a permanent home for rugby and women's football in the city.

The board of the Olympic Legacy Park, or OLP, has chosen Kevin McCabe's Scarborough Group to develop stands around the completed 3G pitch at the complex in Attercliffe.

image.jpg

Sheffield United co-owner and Scarborough Group founder Kevin McCabe
Early indications are that it will be the new home of Sheffield United Ladies FC.

Sheffield Eagles RLFC had hoped to find the money to build the stadium itself in order to create a permanent home for its first team, which currently plays 'home' matches in Wakefield.

That investment, which depended on a green power plant also being built, has not yet materialised. But OLP project lead Richard Caborn said the commitment to the rugby club remained.

"We have made it absolutely clear to everyone who made an approach that it would also be the home for Sheffield Eagles," the former sports minister said.

image.jpg

Olympic Legacy Park project lead Richard Caborn
"We spent a lot of money for a 3G pitch. It's one of the best pitches in the country now for playing rugby on.

"We will have delivered everything they want in terms of a pitch and floodlighting."

The club has struggled to find a home since Don Valley Stadium - where the OLP now sits - closed in September 2013. The first team has played around Sheffield, in Doncaster, and this season in Wakefield.

Last summer the club was forced to rely on a supporters' campaign, which raised £20,000, to keep it going.

image.jpg

Sheffield Eagles playing in Wakefield this season.
The Eagles had hoped to get full development rights for the stadium in order to maximise possible revenue.

But Mr Caborn said the promise of a permanent home would still help the commercial and corporate potential of the Eagles, bringing 'sustainable' income.

"That should, I hope, get them onto a much firmer footing," he said.

"There's good will to make sure it happens. We all want the Eagles to play there - no-one more than myself, because I promised them."

image.jpg

Sheffield United Ladies could play at the OLP.
The club will now meet with Scarborough Group to discuss the way forward.

Eagles chairman Chris Noble MBE has previously warned the club will struggle to survive another season away from Sheffield.

“We have done five seasons away and that’s five years of very little sponsorship, and a spectator base which has gradually decreased,” he said.

"The costs of running the club have gone up and we have been left trapped in a corner.”

The pitch will also be used by Oasis Academy Don Valley pupils and UTC Sheffield Olympic Legacy Park students during the day, and will be open to the community at certain times as well.

And if Scarborough Group's plans come to fruition, it could be a big boost for the women's game in the city.

image.jpg

How the finished OLP should look, minus the stadium.
Sheffield United Community Ladies FC came under the Blades banner in September last year, dropping the 'community' label. The first team currently plays at Swallownest Miners Welfare Club in Rotherham Road - and was this year crowned East Midlands Premier League champion - but a move to the OLP would give much greater exposure.
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We don't want Sheffield Eagles playing in Wakefield, ridiculous !
 
I'd sooner KM developed Don Valley Bowl into a cricket ground with one eye on the 20-20 cricket explosion. Can see county cricket being represented by cities in the future and Sheffield could be at the forefront of this change. KM could also be the SUFC chairman to bring Yorkshire back to Sheffield again, if only for a few games a season. It was us after all who sent em packing.
Maybe a new home for our dormant other half Sheffield United cricket club.
 

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