Mcburnie

[Varkanoid]

I hope he scores tomorrow to be honest then the minority me included can celebrate it only takes one goal,

I too hoped he would score in ever appearance he has made so far this season. Look where that got me. Then you will hear a lot of "its about time" comments.

 

[Upton_Blade]

I'm really torn on this argument if I'm being honest.

When we signed him I thought it was a great signing as he'd literally ripped us a new one every time he'd played against over the last couple of seasons for Barnsley and then Swansea.

I thought he started slowly in our 1st Prem season (not everyone makes the step up overnight) but from late November until lockdown he really looked the part and I truly thought we had a cracking player on our hands. We then came back from lockdown and, again, I thought he looked pretty decent overall.

He then did virtually nothing in our 2nd Prem season (didn't they all) and I started to wonder whether he was right for us and he then had injury issues.

Going into this season I thought him and Brewster should have been given the chance to form a quality (on paper) partnership to hopefully fire us back to The Prem but for whatever reason that partnership wasn't given a chance under Slav as he seemed to fancy Mousset more. More injury issues followed and we were left with the situation where McB had hardly got going again.

That's brings us to where we are today.

I still think McB is a very decent striker IF teams play to his strengths but I just don't think we have ever tried to facilitate that way of playing. He's not a target man and it's painfully obvious him and Sharp (our only striker that's scoring) don't work as a pairing so I'm really not sure where that leaves him.

I completely disagree with all the Blades calling him shit, waste of money, lazy etc etc as I truly believe that's way off the mark but I just don't think he's a correct fit for us, the players we have or the way we want to play.

IMHO I think we'll end up taking a massive loss on him money wise but wherever he ends up he'll, yet again, prove what a decent footballer he is in the right team.

 

[S64 Blade]

Genuine revisionism going on here. Anyone who would rather have Burke than McBurnie fundamentally doesn't understand football.

It must be said that on current form that's like being asked whether you'd prefer to be punched in the face (McBurnie) or repeatedly kicked in the bollocks (Burke) but there's no contest if it's a straight choice.

I agree Burke is terrible. Yet he has a better goal scoring ratio, since he’s been at the club, than McBurnie.

 

[mattbianco1]

I agree Burke is terrible. Yet he has a better goal scoring ratio, since he’s been at the club, than McBurnie.

No he hasn't.

Burke 1,443 minutes - 1 goal
McBurnie 4,174min - 7 goals (1 every 596mins)

Burke - 1 in 28 apps
McBurnie - 7 in 80 apps (1 in 11)

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Don't fall for the agenda

 

[DronnieBlade]

As one of the fiercest critics of the lad for the longest time, let me dispel a few urban legend myths that perpetuate.

He did not rip us a new one in prior encounters.
He was not “all that” in spells with Barnsley and Swansea prior to joining us, despite impressive goal numbers.
He was not “impressive” in his first season.
He did not single handedly earn the club 54 points in our 1st PL season thus paying his transfer fee back times many.

The facts however are these :-

The lad has international caps.
Has PL appearances to his name.
Was the subject of an 8 figure transfer fee.
Earns a 7 figure annual salary.

I have lived, breathed, studied and enthused all things football since I was old enough to stand up.

I will go to the grave baffled by what I state above.

Truly baffled .

UTB

 

[RecordBreakers]

I just can't for the life of me see why people are still defending this clown or thinking he'll come good. In 9 years as a professional footballer he's hit double figures once that is not a goal scorer he had 1 decent season with Swansea and they cashed in. The man is about as mobile as a sloth has the fucking build of Mr Muscle he can't even pull his socks up (your no John Claridge mcburnie) he's an absolute waste of time and money.

 

[S64 Blade]

No he hasn't.

Burke 1,443 minutes - 1 goal
McBurnie 4,174min - 7 goals (1 every 596mins)

Burke - 1 in 28 apps
McBurnie - 7 in 80 apps (1 in 11)

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Don't fall for the agenda

Maybe read what I said first before responding?

I said since Burke has joined the club. You can’t compare two players over different periods of time, when one of them wasn’t actually at the club for 1/3 of that timeframe.

Burke has actually scored twice for us.

What’s to say Burke wouldn’t have scored a load in that first PL season? His return is at least on a par with McBurnie since he joined. Worth adding that Burke isn’t a striker and didn’t cost us £20m either.

 

[originaltrueblade]

No he hasn't.

Burke 1,443 minutes - 1 goal
McBurnie 4,174min - 7 goals (1 every 596mins)

Burke - 1 in 28 apps
McBurnie - 7 in 80 apps (1 in 11)

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Don't fall for the agenda

Wow 7 in 80

 

[mattbianco1]

I said since Burke has joined the club. You can’t compare two players over different periods of time, when one of them wasn’t actually at the club for 1/3 of that timeframe.

OK then.

Last season...
Burke 1 in 1,272 mins
McBurnie 1 in 1,316 mins

This season
Burke 0 in 171 mins
McBurnie 0 in 75 mins (whilst Burke was at the club is the golden rule right???)

So..

Burke 1 in 1,604
McBurnie 1 in 1,391

Nothing to see here...

Burke has actually scored twice for us

He did, he scored in FA Cup. All the stats I've put up are League ONLY.
McBurnie also scored this season v Southampton which also hasn't been considered.

 

[DronnieBlade]

As one of the fiercest critics of the lad for the longest time, let me dispel a few urban legend myths that perpetuate.

He did not rip us a new one in prior encounters.
He was not “all that” in spells with Barnsley and Swansea prior to joining us, despite impressive goal numbers.
He was not “impressive” in his first season.
He did not single handedly earn the club 54 points in our 1st PL season thus paying his transfer fee back times many.

The facts however are these :-

The lad has international caps.
Has PL appearances to his name.
Was the subject of an 8 figure transfer fee.
Earns a 7 figure annual salary.

I have lived, breathed, studied and enthused all things football since I was old enough to stand up.

I will go to the grave baffled by what I state above.

Truly baffled .

UTB

Just like to add he has very good taste in luxury wristwatches.

Or did !!

UTB

 

[Cheesebored]

So..

Burke 1 in 1,604
McBurnie 1 in 1,391

Nothing to see here...

If ever a post summed up a poster.
Most sane people would be able to draw their own conclusions with those stats, no matter how much you massage them. Plenty to see here actually.

 

[Houston_Blade]

The levels of defence for McBurnie astound me. I get all the "get behind the lad and give him chance", that's what we do in the ground each week.

This is a forum for discussing aspects of the football club that we follow, there is absolutely no way that anyone can defend the performances put in by McBurnie in the last 18 months. The excuses are just excuses.

If he comes good, then great for the lad and great for the club. If Hecky really believes in him then we'll see between now and the end of the season, where we need someone else to shoulder the burden of scoring goals. I genuinely don't think anyone wants him to fail, it's just that he's done nothing recently to suggest he should be playing for us outside of the current injury crisis we've got.

It might be a bit of a daft comparison because it was League 1 versus the PL/Championship, but Chris Porter was a much more effective forward during his time with us (I'm not saying Porter would have scored at PL/Championship level but we didn't pay £17m for him).

 

[mattbianco1]

If ever a post summed up a poster.
Most sane people would be able to draw their own conclusions with those stats, no matter how much you massage them. Plenty to see here actually.

I'm not claiming he's prolific, I'm merely counter arguing a point that Burke has a better strike rate.

 

[jono_t2000]

I think Mcburnie had a year and a half at Barnsley/Swansea as a young buck with a unique style which made him hard to defend against.

However he's older now his style of play has plateaued and I think he's just an average championship striker now.

Gonna say it now, i doubt he ever scores 20 goals in a championship season ever again.

 

[Cheesebored]

I'm not claiming he's prolific, I'm merely counter arguing a point that Burke has a better strike rate.

That's fair enough but you've got to admit your stoic claim that he'll eventually 'come good' is looking less likely game on game. How much time do we realistically give him before cutting our losses?

 

[mattbianco1]

That's fair enough but you've got to admit your stoic claim that he'll eventually 'come good' is looking less likely game on game. How much time do we realistically give him before cutting our losses?

I said Brewster would come good, I said Berge would come good. They both have/did.

McB has struggled for a consistent run in the team. If he gets that, he'll come good.

 

[sufc323]

What frustrates me about him is that he seems to scuff most shots that he has or doesn't connect cleanly with it, or has a header in a golden position and it comes off his shoulder.

That's not about what system we play or how he's used, he just doesn't seem to have that killer instinct you need for a striker.

 

[Drunk blade]

I said Brewster would come good, I said Berge would come good. They both have/did.

McB has struggled for a consistent run in the team. If he gets that, he'll come good.

Surely he's had his chance and it's time to give Jebbo a go?

This season we look a much worse team when mcburnie plays

 

[NuddysGloves]

I said Brewster would come good, I said Berge would come good. They both have/did.

McB has struggled for a consistent run in the team. If he gets that, he'll come good.

When Berge first joined I could see he had a good first touch and saw him ghost past players so when his form dropped I was firmly in the "he will come good" camp.

When Brewster was playing he was still getting into some good positions but fluffing his lines, plus he is still a youngster so I was hesitantly in the "he will come good" camp.

With McBurnie though I've hoped and hoped as much and tried to see where he will come good but I honestly just can't see it. He's clearly got ability, you don't make it to this level without being extremely talented, but when I watch him I just don't see anything in his game that makes me confident that he will come good for us at some point.

Obviously this is a game of opinions, but I'm interested to know what you see that makes you believe he will come good apart from the fact he had a good scoring record in 2018 and 2019?

 

[mattbianco1]

When Berge first joined I could see he had a good first touch and saw him ghost past players so when his form dropped I was firmly in the "he will come good" camp.

When Brewster was playing he was still getting into some good positions but fluffing his lines, plus he is still a youngster so I was hesitantly in the "he will come good" camp.

With McBurnie though I've hoped and hoped as much and tried to see where he will come good but I honestly just can't see it. He's clearly got ability, you don't make it to this level without being extremely talented, but when I watch him I just don't see anything in his game that makes me confident that he will come good for us at some point.

Obviously this is a game of opinions, but I'm interested to know what you see that makes you believe he will come good apart from the fact he had a good scoring record in 2018 and 2019?

Nobody was questioning his ability in the 2019-20 season.

After that season, the team as a whole went beyond awful. Nobody came out with any credit, maybe Ramsdale and McGoldrick?!

This season he's been injured.

 

[NuddysGloves]

Nobody was questioning his ability in the 2019-20 season.

After that season, the team as a whole went beyond awful. Nobody came out with any credit, maybe Ramsdale and McGoldrick?!

This season he's been injured.

I questioned his ability in that season, although it was to my mates and not on here so fully accept that I can't prove that!

My reasoning being that I didn't think he was a good finisher and that's quite important for a striker.

First game of the PL away at Bournemouth, Sharp turns the ball home and we all go nuts because we've secured a point, but the goal only came about because our record signing of a striker has smashed the ball from the 6 yard line in the centre of the goal unchallenged and if it wasn't for it hitting Egan's face it would have sailed metres wide.

The West Ham game when Fleck intercepted their keepers pass and plays it to McBurnie with an open net and he still managed to hit it at the keeper who very nearly saved it.

The Man United game he gets us the 3rd goal to equalise but I bet David De Gea is pissed off because he very nearly kept it out.

These are just the ones off the top of my head, and for balance his header vs Chelsea and his goal vs Brighton were excellent, I just think somebody with his previous scoring record should show signs that he's better at finishing?

 

[DronnieBlade]

Nobody was questioning his ability in the 2019-20 season.

After that season, the team as a whole went beyond awful. Nobody came out with any credit, maybe Ramsdale and McGoldrick?!

This season he's been injured.

Nobody !!

UTB

 

[Seth Rollins]

If McBurnie gets picked in the starting eleven tonight I will seriously start worrying about Hecky's team management.

 

[Mumbo]

Nobody was questioning his ability in the 2019-20 season.

After that season, the team as a whole went beyond awful. Nobody came out with any credit, maybe Ramsdale and McGoldrick?!

This season he's been injured.

Nobody !!

UTB

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Which one of you’s stole Oli macs watch
Drunk blade varkanoid CaptainMorgans

All jokes aside it does appear Mcburnies goal bonus is a watch a goal

 

[Mumbo]

I saw his limits very early on as did many others but kept quiet for 2 years hoping he’d ‘find his feet’…
I sincerely hope tonight is the night when whatever talent he has comes to the fore.
But he’ll have to be much quicker,find more space,find his shooting boots,learn to control a ball,learn to read the game and put some effort in,If he can do that I’m 100% behind him.
If he can’t then give Jeb’s a chance.

 

[Espania blade]

For what it's worth I think McB lacks mobility, if you compare him to Sharp, Sharp looks after his body by eating the right foods training probably with not too much intensity (as you age your body can't recover as quickly), but what he will focus on is mobility,! that's why he can still score goals - he is simply very mobile, as he ages he will need to focus on his mobility even more - most athletes should! or they will go into old age with a lot of problems, McB just doesn't look mobile enough to get his body into the correct shape to control a ball - and his body - in order to project the ball where his mindset wants it to go - he can (everybody can) improve their mobility, after years of lifting weights (without doing mobility exercises) at the grand age of of 72 I am having to focus on mobility training with a sports therapist as my body (muscles) is are beginning seize up and restrict my everyday movements - I've learnt a lot in the last several months from my therapist about the need to focus on mobility at every level of ageing,
and I just think McB hasn't got any, I am sure they are working on him behind the scenes but it will take time, so maybe, maybe, the best is yet to come! - let's hope so!

 

[Stevo]

When a striker offers more defensively than he does offensively it's time to move them on

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

I questioned his ability in that season, although it was to my mates and not on here so fully accept that I can't prove that!

My reasoning being that I didn't think he was a good finisher and that's quite important for a striker.

First game of the PL away at Bournemouth, Sharp turns the ball home and we all go nuts because we've secured a point, but the goal only came about because our record signing of a striker has smashed the ball from the 6 yard line in the centre of the goal unchallenged and if it wasn't for it hitting Egan's face it would have sailed metres wide.

The West Ham game when Fleck intercepted their keepers pass and plays it to McBurnie with an open net and he still managed to hit it at the keeper who very nearly saved it.

The Man United game he gets us the 3rd goal to equalise but I bet David De Gea is pissed off because he very nearly kept it out.

These are just the ones off the top of my head, and for balance his header vs Chelsea and his goal vs Brighton were excellent, I just think somebody with his previous scoring record should show signs that he's better at finishing?

"The West Ham game when Fleck intercepted their keepers pass and plays it to McBurnie with an open net and he still managed to hit it at the keeper who very nearly saved it."


So now scuffed goals don't count

 

[raul]

"The West Ham game when Fleck intercepted their keepers pass and plays it to McBurnie with an open net and he still managed to hit it at the keeper who very nearly saved it."


So now scuffed goals don't count

Billy has scored more.