May??

[Worksop II]

This club needs a dramatic culture change, one way or another.

Agreed, I think the place to start is the South Stand, front to back

 

[Sharrowblade]

What is so significant about this season?
It appears from interviews with Adkins and the latest tweets from Baki that we have to get promotion this season, why? Will the prince pull out?

A question for McCabe at the AGM, which I would have raised but unfortunately unable to attend; perhaps someone could ask on my behalf?

Investor with a substantial amount of money waiting to put money into club for last two seasons, but they won't do anything unless we are a championship club. Not going to wait around forever.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Hang on- has SUFC2013 or however you were packaging up the bright new Princely tomorrow gone the way of the "Clough Dynasty" now too?

At least NA retains your unwavering support and I'm sure it's of great comfort to him.....

Creating the "Clough Dynasty" was a 100% authentic approach by the prince but Clough lost his way and couldn't make sufficient progress despite a relatively huge budget for the league and unprecedented power and chosen support staff - hence my "Clough Dynasty" reference.

Weir was superceded by events and his "project" never got off the ground. I was all in favour of the "tear everything up and start again" type of approach in the absence of hard cash and I didn't blame McCabe for finally drawing a line in the sand.

Adkins has been given an amazing opportunity to get his own managerial career back on track. It's early days yet to even think about whether he is up to the job. I would re-iterate though that the job is bigger than you or I ever imagined, even though I have called it "Mission Impossible" on occasions. For anybody to have "unwavering support" for Adkins after this start to the season is unlikely.

As regards "unwavering support", I am still fully behind the Board since it included the prince and satisfied they have done everything possible within reasonable investment in two managers who should have been two very good choices to do the job in hand. I was 100% behind Weir too. I was 100% behind Clough for nearly a year too until it was obvious he lost the plot.

 

[Woodwardfan]

One final word about David Weir.

He's a football man through and through. A distinguished player and leader. He captained his club for years and his country.

He had a bad start at Bramall Lane but inherited a shocking squad in a terrible state of mind. He lost McDonald after one game.

Nobody should judge any manager on a handful of games, that should be obvious. On joining our club the prince had money to invest and understandably didn't fancy a rookie manager spending it. All perfectly reasonable and Weir was a victim of circumstances.

Since he left us he has enjoyed big success as Assistant Manager at Brentford and now Rangers. He is not a passenger at those clubs, just along for the ride.

The man has great qualities and I have no doubt he will make a successful manager before long.

 

[Deleted member 875]

The other point worthy of mention when discussing Adkins, he has inherited a lot of players who were brought in by different managers, and they aren't his players but unfortunately a lot of them are long contracts, and will take some shifting.

 

[Deaneandagana]

One final word about David Weir.

He's a football man through and through. A distinguished player and leader. He captained his club for years and his country.

He had a bad start at Bramall Lane but inherited a shocking squad in a terrible state of mind. He lost McDonald after one game.

Nobody should judge any manager on a handful of games, that should be obvious. On joining our club the prince had money to invest and understandably didn't fancy a rookie manager spending it. All perfectly reasonable and Weir was a victim of circumstances.

Since he left us he has enjoyed big success as Assistant Manager at Brentford and now Rangers. He is not a passenger at those clubs, just along for the ride.

The man has great qualities and I have no doubt he will make a successful manager before long.

Possibly, but he was completely out of his depth as a No.1 at a club of our size & with our expectation levels - big difference to being someone's No.2, Adrian Heath fell foul of the same.

Weir was only taking us in 1 direction.

 

[SwissBlade]

Worst quality league one for years (Phipps words), best manager around, millions spent on a huge squad, players who've played in the premier league.

The questions worth asking?

what good will chucking millions more at premier league has beens and championship triers do, wouldn't we be better off buying the best of this division?

Will we bring in a director of football to the board as under the McCabe/ Prince reign there is nobody on the board that knows about football?

Can we just tear up Collins' contract and fuck him off?

Can we play in a red and white home shirt for the rest of the season?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

They've fell into the trap of setting an expectation level unbelievably superior to anything we could achieve.

A manager that isn't an absolute amateur should be downplaying any talk of promotion to decrease pressure, and to consequently increase the minuscule likelihood the players might put in a bit of effort, or display even the smallest levels of confidence on the ball.

The board have magnified that by playing along, and not making sure that what was going to be said wasn't going to be totally unrealistic, and cause complete embarrassment towards the end of the season, not that they would have had any sort of nous about them to carry that out.

Clough got absolutely hammered for doing exactly that. Goes to show that it doesn’t matter what the manager says, if the team is not winning it will be the wrong thing. If the team is winning, it will be the right thing.

 

[PeteBlade]

The significance of this season is another car crash in League 1. Sadly, it really does feel like early 80s, dropping into League 2 might be a better option for long term progression than yet another season in League 1 treading water.

The most ridiculous suggestion I've read since someone said dropping into league one would be a better long term option than treading water in the championship.

 

[Revolution]

One final word about David Weir.

He's a football man through and through. A distinguished player and leader. He captained his club for years and his country.

He had a bad start at Bramall Lane but inherited a shocking squad in a terrible state of mind. He lost McDonald after one game.

Nobody should judge any manager on a handful of games, that should be obvious. On joining our club the prince had money to invest and understandably didn't fancy a rookie manager spending it. All perfectly reasonable and Weir was a victim of circumstances.

Since he left us he has enjoyed big success as Assistant Manager at Brentford and now Rangers. He is not a passenger at those clubs, just along for the ride.

The man has great qualities and I have no doubt he will make a successful manager before long.

You could appoint any poster on this board as assistant gaffer at Zombie Rangers and they'd go up this year. That proves nothing.

Weir did inherit a poor squad. He also made it worse and had the good players playing badly.

He cannoy be regarded as anything other than a disaster.

And I for one have grave doubts that he will ever be a good manager, though he will of course stand a better chance if the likes of McCabe are not selling his best players.

 

[Revolution]

Who accepts an opening bid in the JTW??!

McCabe, of course.

We sold Michael Brown to Spurs about 30 seconds after the transfer window opened in January 2004.

We were 2 points off auto promotion, in 3rd place, when we sold him.

We finished 8th, 15 points off and out of the playoffs.

 

[Ted Danson]

The other point worthy of mention when discussing Adkins, he has inherited a lot of players who were brought in by different managers, and they aren't his players but unfortunately a lot of them are long contracts, and will take some shifting.

and he also bought 5 of his own that are all wank except Sharp whos average at best but was still a complete waste of money

 

[Bladesway]

You could appoint any poster on this board as assistant gaffer at Zombie Rangers and they'd go up this year.

How so? Just a quick neb at the table tells me that isn't quite the case. As for Weir, he (like those before and after him) didn't get enough time and he was the victim of circumstance. We will never actually know whether he would have cut it but almost everyone on here was excited when he got the job. Young, hungry, ambitious. Then the prince came in and he didn't fit the profile any longer.

 

[Bladesway]

and he also bought 5 of his own that are all wank except Sharp whos average at best but was still a complete waste of money

I too am a big fan of giving people a proper chance. Consigned to the dustbin in less than half a season, go you.

 

[Ted Danson]

I too am a big fan of giving people a proper chance. Consigned to the dustbin in less than half a season, go you.

Ive been around alot longer than half a season pal

 

[Ted Danson]

How so? Just a quick neb at the table tells me that isn't quite the case. As for Weir, he (like those before and after him) didn't get enough time and he was the victim of circumstance. We will never actually know whether he would have cut it but almost everyone on here was excited when he got the job. Young, hungry, ambitious. Then the prince came in and he didn't fit the profile any longer.

come on, Weir was utter shite and it was blatently obvious to everyone who believed their own eyes

 

[Revolution]

How so? Just a quick neb at the table tells me that isn't quite the case. As for Weir, he (like those before and after him) didn't get enough time and he was the victim of circumstance. We will never actually know whether he would have cut it but almost everyone on here was excited when he got the job. Young, hungry, ambitious. Then the prince came in and he didn't fit the profile any longer.

I really don't think the quality of their assistant boss is going to stop Rangers going up this year in the Shooting Fish in a Barrell Championship.

We do know that Weir didn't cut it. 13 to 14 games is not small sample size. He was completely clueless. Half of the same players made the FA Cup semi final later that season!

I wasn't excited. I was worried. He was unproven and had no experience, and that was a dangerous thing when combined with the plan that year (which was "Yeovil got promoted spending nothing, we'll try to go up spending nothing!")

 

[Bladesway]

come on, Weir was utter shite and it was blatently obvious to everyone who believed their own eyes

Didn't he get his best player sold from under his feet like those before and after? I remember people waxing lyrical over the football and the chances we created in our first game. Hindsight, brilliant. I don't believe he got long enough to prove whether he was a good or a bad manager. I think circumstances hung him and agree with his "wrong person, wrong time, wrong place" conclusion to the job.

I still come back to my own theory that has yet to be successfully challenged by anyone. If we keep selling our best players and replacing them with lesser players why is it a shock that no matter who the manager we go backwards. Also, if you are given 6 months in your job and fired, you have every right to say "you didn't give me long enough to do the job properly"

I realise from your comments if I don't agree with you I must be stupid, but I'll live with that.

 

[Deaneandagana]

Didn't he get his best player sold from under his feet like those before and after? I remember people waxing lyrical over the football and the chances we created in our first game. Hindsight, brilliant. I don't believe he got long enough to prove whether he was a good or a bad manager. I think circumstances hung him and agree with his "wrong person, wrong time, wrong place" conclusion to the job.

I still come back to my own theory that has yet to be successfully challenged by anyone. If we keep selling our best players and replacing them with lesser players why is it a shock that no matter who the manager we go backwards. Also, if you are given 6 months in your job and fired, you have every right to say "you didn't give me long enough to do the job properly"

I realise from your comments if I don't agree with you I must be stupid, but I'll live with that.

Agree totally with player sales & lower quality replacements, but sadly can't agree with Weir, do you recall his final TV interview where he was asked a question & couldn't speak?

Nice guy I'm sure but hopelessly out of his depth.

 

[Barney]

It's called 'Managing Expectations'. Our notoriously fickle, impatient fans just assume that - with investment, infrastructure and support the envy of any other team in League 3 - we are going to beat Titans such as Shrewsbury, Port Vale, Crewe, Walsall, Colchester (substitute any other embarrassing result which occurs on a fortnightly basis). Just because Crewe hadn't won for 8 months, just because Barnsley were bottom of the table doesn't mean that their lamentable runs won't end when they play the Blades. It's the law of averages. Or The Blades Way.

It's all the fans' fault. A sixth, seventh, eighth (?) season at this level is perfectly acceptable and setting targets for the manager and his fast-fading record of previous 'success' is putting undue pressure on to him which, in turn, is transmitted to the players. I repeat, it's all the fans' fault.

Pardon?

Please explain how a comment on the managers conduct in any way relates to the fans.

Really strange post.

 

[Bladesway]

Pardon?

Please explain how a comment on the managers conduct in any way relates to the fans?

Really strange post.

Think this is what I refer to as a Gatwick post.

 

[Barney]

Think this is what I refer to as a Gatwick post.

Is it the best post you've ever read on a Blades forum, and, have I won a badge?

 

[Bladesway]

Is it the best post you've ever read on a Blades forum, and, have I won a badge?

No and yes

 

[Revolution]

Pardon?

Please explain how a comment on the managers conduct in any way relates to the fans.

Really strange post.

It's called humour Barney. It's satire.

Post less, think more...

 

[Barney]

It's called humour Barney. It's satire.

Post less, think more...

I'm aware of the satire, just not the relevance of it.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Pardon?

Please explain how a comment on the managers conduct in any way relates to the fans.

Really strange post.

Well I understood it - are you particularly thick?

 

[Ted Danson]

Didn't he get his best player sold from under his feet like those before and after? I remember people waxing lyrical over the football and the chances we created in our first game. Hindsight, brilliant. I don't believe he got long enough to prove whether he was a good or a bad manager. I think circumstances hung him and agree with his "wrong person, wrong time, wrong place" conclusion to the job.

I still come back to my own theory that has yet to be successfully challenged by anyone. If we keep selling our best players and replacing them with lesser players why is it a shock that no matter who the manager we go backwards. Also, if you are given 6 months in your job and fired, you have every right to say "you didn't give me long enough to do the job properly"

I realise from your comments if I don't agree with you I must be stupid, but I'll live with that.

read into it what you will but I cant see anywhere were I insinuated your stupid, dont be so hard on yourself.

As for Weir he was clueless, he stuck to his plan A and blatantly had no plan B, he was dour and downbeat, couldn't motivate any of the players, played sideways slow football, I cant think of one positive about him and have no reason to suspect hell go on to be a good manager. (unfortunately I see many similarities with Adkins other than hes quite a chipper bloke, the football is getting very similar)

My feeling about Weir was that he was very good at coaching at reserve or under 21 level where the result is less important than how the players have performed technically, thats why he stuck to plan A as thats all he has to do as a reserve coach

 

[Gin&Juice]

read into it what you will but I cant see anywhere were I insinuated your stupid, dont be so hard on yourself.

As for Weir he was clueless, he stuck to his plan A and blatantly had no plan B, he was dour and downbeat, couldn't motivate any of the players, played sideways slow football, I cant think of one positive about him and have no reason to suspect hell go on to be a good manager. (unfortunately I see many similarities with Adkins other than hes quite a chipper bloke, the football is getting very similar)

My feeling about Weir was that he was very good at coaching at reserve or under 21 level where the result is less important than how the players have performed technically, thats why he stuck to plan A as thats all he has to do as a reserve coach

Re: Weir, Carlisle away was the final straw for me. We were chasing a game but never chased. Evident when they got a corner and we brought everyone back to defend. He also made the mistake of banishing Morgan and not appointing someone with experience, instead we got Lee Carsley. He also signed both Baxter and Cuvelier which was a stupid as they're both the same type of player. He should have bought two full backs who would have suited his style, maybe then we would have seen an upturn. On the whole I thought his pre-season transfers were pretty decent, he also tried for Wilson at Coventry and Macheda on loan and his idea was decent, just his cautious and naive approach ultimately cost him.

 

[Barney]

Well I understood it - are you particularly thick?

Thick? Have a scan through your posts my dear.

You own that hyphen...

 

[Woodwardfan]

You could appoint any poster on this board as assistant gaffer at Zombie Rangers and they'd go up this year. That proves nothing.

Weir did inherit a poor squad. He also made it worse and had the good players playing badly.

He cannoy be regarded as anything other than a disaster.

And I for one have grave doubts that he will ever be a good manager, though he will of course stand a better chance if the likes of McCabe are not selling his best players.

Fair(ish) comment re Rangers but bear in mind he was rated enough to be appointed for the job and his manager wanted him there with him again.

Also you just cannot say the same about Brentford, either in L1 or the Championship; brilliant efforts there by all concerned, in fact we'd have been proud to have achieved half as much over the same period.