Matchday 8 Graphs and Chat – Swans Sunk!

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Airbnb with good internet just 300 yards from the Lane for me tonight – so I get to do the graphs a lot earlier!

A strange game all round. Swansea dominated possession with 66%, and yet only managed one shot on target, at the right end! Swansea’s Josh Tymon became the first opposition player to score for 5 games but, unfortunately for him, it was in his own end! We should have really put the game to bed in the second half as Brooksy was through 2 or 3 times and Big Kieff was also one v one and hit the post.

Our defence continues to be rock solid – with our 2 giants in the centre in front of our cool GoalCooper. I thought Shackleton had a good outing at right back and Campbell and Big Kieff both played well up top. O’Hare ran his blood to water, as always, and Brew Dog looked lively when he came on.

So 5 clean sheets in a row - Won 5, Drawn 3 - what do the graphs and charts look like?

Graph 1 compares our progress against 3 benchmark sets of results. I've taken each match and created 3 sets of results to achieve 3 points totals, which should represent Automatic Promotion, Playoff Certainty and Playoff Possibility. My benchmarks take account of who our opponents are each week. Compared to my benchmarks we are still a couple behind my Promotion lines and on the edge of a Playoff schedule. 16 points from 8 games with a 2-point deduction is a great return but, as the League Table shows, we do still have to play most of the likely main contenders. As usual, by request Graph 1 includes our city rivals’ results, which the majority like to see, and Graph 1A (Graph 1 without Wendy) doesn’t include them for those who don’t like to see it.

Graph 1:
24-25 Paths To The Prem Matchday 8.webp



Graph 1A (Graph 1 without Wendy):
24-25 Paths To The Prem Matchday 8 No Wendy.webp



Graph 2 compares this season against our last 3 successful promotions from this level (all in second place), in 2005/06, 2018/19 and 2022/23. These earlier season results are the results from the same game day – not the same opponents. On 16 points (with a 2-point deduction) we are 3 ahead of the 13 points that we had in 2018/19 under Wilder. We are still 1 point behind Hecky in 22/23 and 5 points behind Warnock’s great start in 05/06.

Graph 2:
24-25 Compared to Earlier Seasons Matchday8.webp



Next, the coloured annotated up-to-date League Table, which highlights where our strengths and weaknesses are against opponents’ league positions. Blades are now in 3rd place and, without the deduction, we would actually be level top, just behind Sunderland on goal difference.

League Table:
24-25 League Table Matchday 8.webp



I previously posted my predicted league positions for the end of the season and I now post a review of my performance each week in the form of each team’s current position relative to my end of season forecast position – this may be an indication of a team’s over/under performance, or it may just be an indication of my ineptitude as a forecaster!

As the season progresses, the table is tending to converge towards the expected. 15 of the teams are now within 4 places of my pre-season prediction for them. The big overperformers compared to my forecast are still Blackburn and Oxford and the surprising big underperformers compared to my forecast are Luton and Coventry.

Over/Under Performance Table:
Over - Under Matchday 8.webp


My Tuesday Matchday 7 review of performance and position against XG stats last night has the same over and underperformers as above – but also has Burnley as overperformers as they are massively overperforming against both XG and XGA. I’ll be doing the XG comparisons again next Tuesday when I’ll have the XG data for both Matchdays 8 and 9.

So a good start to our 2 home game week.

Another 3 points off the Hatters on Saturday and I’ll really be happy.

Jets v Vikings at Tottenham Stadium on Sunday should then round off a really great week.

UTB & Slava Ukraini!
 

Good as ever Graphman.

We could have done with a second tonight to ease my nerves.

Glad you didn’t have your usual longbdtive home.

UTB & FTP!
 
I think the challenge at the moment is that the -2 is over impacting the look of the table. After 8 matches that 2 points is only really worth 0.34 points I.e. the 2 is only attributable after a full 46 have been played so its current value can be viewed as 2/46 *8.

We are in fact a team that is averaging 2.25 points per game. We will lose 2 points in the final tally though. So we would be a 2.20 point per game team taking this into consideration.

That is very different to being a team that has gained 16 from 8 I.e. 2 points per game exactly.

Simply maths, I know, but this is the difference between arriving at 92 points and arriving at 103 points (103.5 precisely) and then getting 2 subtracted, so 101. The latter is almost Reading record territory and it is certainly League One Champs territory.

In terms of the results on the field, we are currently a 100 point+ team. Let’s not let the -2 fool us!

Challenging game at the weekend and the forwards have got to be more clinical but on another day both Moore and Campbell shots go in. At least we approach a key game already with the defensive solidity in place. I still would be inclined to move Hamer central. He’s too good to be out wide.
 
I think the challenge at the moment is that the -2 is over impacting the look of the table. After 8 matches that 2 points is only really worth 0.34 points I.e. the 2 is only attributable after a full 46 have been played so its current value can be viewed as 2/46 *8.

We are in fact a team that is averaging 2.25 points per game. We will lose 2 points in the final tally though. So we would be a 2.20 point per game team taking this into consideration.

That is very different to being a team that has gained 16 from 8 I.e. 2 points per game exactly.

Simply maths, I know, but this is the difference between arriving at 92 points and arriving at 103 points (103.5 precisely) and then getting 2 subtracted, so 101. The latter is almost Reading record territory and it is certainly League One Champs territory.

In terms of the results on the field, we are currently a 100 point+ team. Let’s not let the -2 fool us!

Challenging game at the weekend and the forwards have got to be more clinical but on another day both Moore and Campbell shots go in. At least we approach a key game already with the defensive solidity in place. I still would be inclined to move Hamer central. He’s too good to be out wide.
Your maths oversimplifies things and assumes that all teams are the same and just extrapolates to 46 games.

The point about ucdm’s forecast lines is that they don’t extrapolate, they take into account the opposition and location in every game.

The Automatics line takes the most probable set of individual results that could achieve 90 points. The graph shows that we are currently 2 points behind that set of results and so if we achieve those forecast results for the next 38 games we will get 88 points.

The reason for the difference from your extrapolation can be seen from the table - we have yet to play anybody above 8th place.

UTB & FTP!
 
Your maths oversimplifies things and assumes that all teams are the same and just extrapolates to 46 games.

The point about ucdm’s forecast lines is that they don’t extrapolate, they take into account the opposition and location in every game.

The Automatics line takes the most probable set of individual results that could achieve 90 points. The graph shows that we are currently 2 points behind that set of results and so if we achieve those forecast results for the next 38 games we will get 88 points.

The reason for the difference from your extrapolation can be seen from the table - we have yet to play anybody above 8th place.

UTB & FTP!
My intention is to simplify things 😊

My point wasn’t much beyond that the -2 is heavily impacting how we are viewed in the actual table. Our form is better then the 2 points per game the current live table shows.

Also, we have to consider this; why have we yet to play anyone above 8th place? That’s partially because we’ve taken points from all the teams we’ve faced, reducing their chance of being in the top 8.

Had Watford beaten us, they would be above us.
Had Hull beaten us, they would be above us.
Had Swansea beaten us, they would be above us.

We are actively contributing to the teams who are in the top 8; something the Wednesday fans seem to be failing to grasp over on Owlstalk. For the same reason they have faced top teams, because they’ve been the ones handing over 3 points to them!
 
My intention is to simplify things 😊

My point wasn’t much beyond that the -2 is heavily impacting how we are viewed in the actual table. Our form is better then the 2 points per game the current live table shows.

Also, we have to consider this; why have we yet to play anyone above 8th place? That’s partially because we’ve taken points from all the teams we’ve faced, reducing their chance of being in the top 8.

Had Watford beaten us, they would be above us.
Had Hull beaten us, they would be above us.
Had Swansea beaten us, they would be above us.

We are actively contributing to the teams who are in the top 8; something the Wednesday fans seem to be failing to grasp over on Owlstalk. For the same reason they have faced top teams, because they’ve been the ones handing over 3 points to them!
Games we have played have not affected the strength of our opponents. It’s not about the current table, it’s about the actual strongest teams in our league. Look at ucdm forecast for the end of this season, which was produced before a ball was kicked. We have only played Norwich in the Top 10. Let’s see what our ppg is in 3 weeks when we’ve been to Elland Road and Riverside!

UTB & FTP
 

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