CONFIRMED Mark McGuinness - 4 year contract

[NateDogg]

Based on what? We’ve simply carried in the form from December. It’s fanciful to think we’d be in the play

Because hed have brought in his own players in the summer. Hes now lumped with the crap that has been brought in and the rest of the squad are shot of confidence.

I was happy to try something new and different after the Play Off defeat but bringing in a totally untested manager was utterly naive. Theres no way wed be in this position now if Wilder had just stayed on.

Regardless anyway, my point was that id say its the owners who bought McGuinness, probably because they saw hed played for Arsenal and that Luton paid £10m for him, so obviously he must be good. Again totally naive and lacking in understanding of football.

 

[Working Class Hero]

Was it Selles or was it our owners? Lets face it, if Wilder had just remained manager after the play off final we'd be top 6 now. We are where we are because they wanted to change direction and they've certainly done that. Now Wilder is stuck with a load of new players he doesn't want, who arent good enough.

The blame lies firmly at the door of the owners. People wanted rid of the prince. People wanted rid of Wilder. Now here we are.

I agree with everything you say, but if the manager isn't having a say on which players are brought in, then we're even more of a basket case than I thought.

 

[Slim Man]

Lets face it, if Wilder had just remained manager after the play off final we'd be top 6 now.

Would we? Why?

The form towards the end of the season certainly doesn't back that up.

 

[Slim Man]

It's every game he does something wank. If it doesn't cost us a goal, it nearly does. Most times it does.

 

[Working Class Hero]

Would we? Why?

The form towards the end of the season certainly doesn't back that up.

We won 4, drew 1 and lost 2 (to two of the best teams in the division) of the last 7 games. That's better than play off form and would probably get you automatic promotion.

There's no guarantee we'd be anywhere, but without an absolute grenade being thrown in by the owners, and even an average transfer window, I think in and around the top 6 is a fair assumption.

 

[Swinton Blade]

We won 4, drew 1 and lost 2 (to two of the best teams in the division) of the last 7 games. That's better than play off form and would probably get you automatic promotion.

There's no guarantee we'd be anywhere, but without an absolute grenade being thrown in by the owners, and even an average transfer window, I think in and around the top 6 is a fair assumption.

Or you could say we lost 5 from the last 10 games last season, which is not play off form.

 

[JackSUFC]

It had the feel of a panic buy at the time and looks even worse now.

He’s weak, poor in the air despite his height, slow, poor positionally and rubbish on the deck. Unfortunately he’s crap.

There’s a reason Luton were relegated last season. You sign League One standard players and that’s where you end up.

Sad to think we’ve gone from the Anel and Souttar partnership to this donut within 12 months.

 

[Slim Man]

We won 4, drew 1 and lost 2 (to two of the best teams in the division) of the last 7 games. That's better than play off form and would probably get you automatic promotion.

There's no guarantee we'd be anywhere, but without an absolute grenade being thrown in by the owners, and even an average transfer window, I think in and around the top 6 is a fair assumption.

See that's the thing with stats. You can dress them up however you like. You've conveniently picked a 7 (random?) game run.

We lost at Plymouth, Oxford and at home to Millwall in that back end of the season. We lost 5 from 10.

 

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

Why can't we bring Tanganga into aa central position with Mee, and play Binden at RB or RCB?

I think Binden is a better player than people have made out - everyone looked terrible in those first few games.

 

[Lane Ender]

Why can't we bring Tanganga into aa central position with Mee, and play Binden at RB or RCB?

I think Binden is a better player than people have made out - everyone looked terrible in those first few games.

Tango and Mee central no other option but to play Seriki I’d rather go with Binden than Mcguiness

 

[AnstonBlade1]

It had the feel of a panic buy at the time and looks even worse now.

He’s weak, poor in the air despite his height, slow, poor positionally and rubbish on the deck. Unfortunately he’s crap.

There’s a reason Luton were relegated last season. You sign League One standard players and that’s where you end up.

Sad to think we’ve gone from the Anel and Souttar partnership to this donut within 12 months.

I’d be amazed if Selles went to the board and said right I want, McGuniess, Chong, Ogbene , Matos. There’s just no thought process behind it just a scatter gun aproach
They played in league one because there not very good players.

 

[vivast123]

Just shows what calibre of player pigs are used to, they absolutely rave about him. He’s absolutely dire.

 

[Working Class Hero]

See that's the thing with stats. You can dress them up however you like. You've conveniently picked a 7 (random?) game run.

We lost at Plymouth, Oxford and at home to Millwall in that back end of the season. We lost 5 from 10.

Is 10 not also random? Pick the last 15 if you want. Pick the last 50 if you want. You're the one picking a specific run of games that fits your argument.

The fact is that we picked up points at the rate of at least a play off team all season.

 

[elgoog44]

When you look at the defence, both him and Mee have not got a clue Mee looks well off it at times marking thin air or got past with ease, and McGuinness for a big lad looks so lightweight and Tanga is not a right back, looks a shadow of what he should be, the only person in that defence last night that comes out of it without criticism is Sam McCallum, the rest are way below par.

realistically we need at least one ready to go Championship CB and as we know from recent dealings it's dead easy to get one in......

 

[gordoncharles]

I’d be amazed if Selles went to the board and said right I want, McGuniess, Chong, Ogbene , Matos. There’s just no thought process behind it just a scatter gun aproach
They played in league one because there not very good players.

Forums of teams who are near the bottom of their leagues are always the most amusing (this one excepted, for obvious reasons) and earlier I was reading a Spanish one where someone described his club's summer recruitment thus: "a monkey with two pistols could have assembled a better squad"

Ours was the same, except the monkey had no armaments.

 

[LBA_Blade]

When you look at the defence, both him and Mee have not got a clue Mee looks well off it at times marking thin air or got past with ease, and McGuinness for a big lad looks so lightweight and Tanga is not a right back, looks a shadow of what he should be, the only person in that defence last night that comes out of it without criticism is Sam McCallum, the rest are way below par.

realistically we need at least one ready to go Championship CB and as we know from recent dealings it's dead easy to get one in......

How much of that is due to the fact Mee is having to deal with his own workload, an out of position Tanganga and McGuinness defensive errors. McGuinness should be doing a lot better/is he up to championship standard? Mee has been there and seen it but usually when he has played at past clubs is paired when played with a competitive defence. He played at Burnley for 10 seasons, in and out of the Premier League, alongside the likes of Michael Duff and Kieran Trippier in defence. Even when Burnley were eventually relegated he still got 60 appearances in the Premier League with Brentford.

I think our problems lie with the lack of an experienced Right Back, we spent most of the transfer window monitoring and being rumoured with signing Seol Young-Woo but for some reason we weren't prepared to pay the relatively low by today standards of £4.2million release clause and instead panic bought/loaned in Godfrey for a square peg, unless we did agree the fee but couldn't agree personal terms I am not sure why we pursued it for so long. He played 10 minutes in a friendly against Mexico for South Korea last month and has been a regular starter for Red Star Belgrade. If we would have signed him, it would allow us to drop McGuinness to the bench and play Tanganga and Mee at CB's with Burrows at LB.

 

[elgoog44]

How much of that is due to the fact Mee is having to deal with his own workload, an out of position Tanganga and McGuinness defensive errors. McGuinness should be doing a lot better/is he up to championship standard? Mee has been there and seen it but usually when he has played at past clubs is paired when played with a competitive defence. He played at Burnley for 10 seasons, in and out of the Premier League, alongside the likes of Michael Duff and Kieran Trippier in defence. Even when Burnley were eventually relegated he still got 60 appearances in the Premier League with Brentford.

I think our problems lie with the lack of an experienced Right Back, we spent most of the transfer window monitoring and being rumoured with signing Seol Young-Woo but for some reason we weren't prepared to pay the relatively low by today standards of £4.2million release clause and instead panic bought/loaned in Godfrey for a square peg, unless we did agree the fee but couldn't agree personal terms I am not sure why we pursued it for so long. He played 10 minutes in a friendly against Mexico for South Korea last month and has been a regular starter for Red Star Belgrade. If we would have signed him, it would allow us to drop McGuinness to the bench and play Tanganga and Mee at CB's with Burrows at LB.

Agree, but i do think Mee is still off the pace as well but, we have needed a right back for what seems like an eternity i think McGuinness as back up is OK but should not be starting every game as is currently the situation.

 

[fifty shades of blade]

When you look at the defence, both him and Mee have not got a clue Mee looks well off it at times marking thin air or got past with ease, and McGuinness for a big lad looks so lightweight and Tanga is not a right back, looks a shadow of what he should be, the only person in that defence last night that comes out of it without criticism is Sam McCallum, the rest are way below par.

realistically we need at least one ready to go Championship CB and as we know from recent dealings it's dead easy to get one in......

I think they all know mcguinness is shite and have to compensate for him. Twice now Mee has had to try and cover for him cos he had gone walkabout which led to us conceding a goal.

 

[TJ blade]

We won 4, drew 1 and lost 2 (to two of the best teams in the division) of the last 7 games. That's better than play off form and would probably get you automatic promotion.

There's no guarantee we'd be anywhere, but without an absolute grenade being thrown in by the owners, and even an average transfer window, I think in and around the top 6 is a fair assumption.

Didn't we lose 3 in one week

 

[Lowen]

I think most fans questioned the Cannon and McGuinness signings, so it is extremely embarrassing for those involved in recruiting those players, who are supposed to know much better, to have gotten it disastrously wrong. McGuinness is crap, which is no surprise to anyone who has seen him play in this league previously.

 

[ATL Recs]

We won 4, drew 1 and lost 2 (to two of the best teams in the division) of the last 7 games. That's better than play off form and would probably get you automatic promotion.

There's no guarantee we'd be anywhere, but without an absolute grenade being thrown in by the owners, and even an average transfer window, I think in and around the top 6 is a fair assumption.

No we didnt we played 7 lost 4 drew 1 won 2 dead rubbers against a team relegated and one with nowt to play for

 

[dn5 shaun]

Ben Mee isn't much better.

Based on yesterdays subs Tom Davis and Danny Ings were just as bad. Obviously this season is going to be a write off, providing we stay up there needs to be a mass clear out, new proven manager with new idea's . Our so called better player's are bang average or unfit so get rid.

 

[Balham]

Is 10 not also random? Pick the last 15 if you want. Pick the last 50 if you want. You're the one picking a specific run of games that fits your argument.

The fact is that we picked up points at the rate of at least a play off team all season.

I've done this before. Breaking the season into quarters of 12 matches (some overlap to keep it consistent) shows that we dropped off for the last quarter of the season.

Games 1-12:
Sunderland 1st (28 points), Burnley 2nd (23), Leeds 3rd (23), United 4th (22)

Games 11-23
United 1st (29 points), Leeds 2nd (26), Burnley 3rd (25), Watford 4th (21)

Games 23-35
Leeds 1st (28 points), Coventry 2nd (26), United 3rd (25), Burnley 4th (24)

Games 34-46
Burnley 1st (32 points), Leeds 2nd (25), Derby 3rd (21), Swansea/Luton/Millwall 4th (21), United 7th (20)

 

[Slim Man]

I've done this before. Breaking the season into quarters of 12 matches (some overlap to keep it consistent) shows that we dropped off for the last quarter of the season.

Games 1-12:
Sunderland 1st (28 points), Burnley 2nd (23), Leeds 3rd (23), United 4th (22)

Games 11-23
United 1st (29 points), Leeds 2nd (26), Burnley 3rd (25), Watford 4th (21)

Games 23-35
Leeds 1st (28 points), Coventry 2nd (26), United 3rd (25), Burnley 4th (24)

Games 34-46
Burnley 1st (32 points), Leeds 2nd (25), Derby 3rd (21), Swansea/Luton/Millwall 4th (21), United 7th (20)

Thanks Balham. So yeah... Working Class Hero

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Another toss signing from the club. Why on earth did we think a CB who was at Luton and Cardiff would improve us.

 

[Working Class Hero]

Thanks Balham. So yeah... Working Class Hero

Hmmm, 20 points from 12 games sounds like play off form to me. We also won game 2 out of the next 3 very convincingly.

 

[Espania blade]

Based on yesterdays subs Tom Davis and Danny Ings were just as bad. Obviously this season is going to be a write off, providing we stay up there needs to be a mass clear out, new proven manager with new idea's . Our so called better player's are bang average or unfit so get rid.

Selles had new ideas - that went well !
Maybe we should have gone for that young fella that's turning Everton around with new ideas?

 

[Kabba Kabba Doo]

Selles had new ideas - that went well !
Maybe we should have gone for that young fella that's turning Everton around with new ideas?

I've seen a lot of Everton fans slagging Moyes and his reluctance to play young players over this weekend in fairness

 

[Espania blade]

I've seen a lot of Everton fans slagging Moyes and his reluctance to play young players over this weekend in fairness

Maybe the young players aren't good enough, our fans cry out for Marsh and On'e
to be playing, clearly CW and the coaching staff think they are not ready

 

[Thrice]

Having two immobile defenders as your CB's is just a terrible combination. Mee and McGuinness should never play together. Really shows what difference Anel made and how many people took him for granted. He received his share of criticism, but he was a proper modern defender who could carry the ball and not get caught out of position all the time. Defence hasn't been the same without him.