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All three goals conceded have come from unchallenged crosses coming into the box, but that's not the bigger problem.

For all three goals conceded so far there has been a lack of communication between Egan and Anel. For both goals tonight Anel has stood behind the scorer assuming that Egan was going to pick them up. Instead Egan goes for the ball oblivious of any threat behind him and Anel stands jaw agape as the player he was marking heads in a goal unmarked due to him letting them go.

As much as there's been some criticism of Egan tonight, Anel has been at fault for all three goals between Palace and Forest more than him. At this rate at least we won't have to worry about selling him next summer, and he won't be playing for Man City anytime soon.
 
AWetFlannel said:
People want Trusty in for Robinson, yet it's Anel and Egan who've been culpable for the three goals. Worrying stuff, because they need to be rocks this season.
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Egan and anel have been poor so far. Anel seems to play better in the centre of a three. Robinson has been ok but is not good enough for the prem. Not sure why trusty hasn't had minutes.
 
I wonder if playing a 3 sometimes, counterintuitively, makes it more difficult to mark strikers at crosses.

As a defender, you're always told that if the striker can see your shirt number, you're in trouble. In a 3 though, it's maybe less obvious who is picking up who and Egan might think "the strikers got behind me but Anel/Robbo will have him" and then the striker is in a nice gap if the cross is good.
 
AWetFlannel said:
People want Trusty in for Robinson, yet it's Anel and Egan who've been culpable for the three goals. Worrying stuff, because they need to be rocks this season.
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Disappointing isn't it? We'll face some difficult, unplayable opponents this season but Chris Wood certainly isn't one of them!
 
Rupicola said:
Egan and anel have been poor so far. Anel seems to play better in the centre of a three. Robinson has been ok but is not good enough for the prem. Not sure why trusty hasn't had minutes.
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Perhaps our new “defensive coach” told Hecky that Trusty wasn’t ready for action yet. If he was also the one that recommended Lowe start the game, we need to cut our losses and get rid.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
All three goals conceded have come from unchallenged crosses coming into the box, but that's not the bigger problem.

For all three goals conceded so far there has been a lack of communication between Egan and Anel. For both goals tonight Anel has stood behind the scorer assuming that Egan was going to pick them up. Instead Egan goes for the ball oblivious of any threat behind him and Anel stands jaw agape as the player he was marking heads in a goal unmarked due to him letting them go.

As much as there's been some criticism of Egan tonight, Anel has been at fault for all three goals between Palace and Forest more than him. At this rate at least we won't have to worry about selling him next summer, and he won't be playing for Man City anytime soon.
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I think you’re spot on with this. Must admit that I’ve been surprised at the early season lapses of Anel and Egan - I had them down as one of few areas we didn’t have to worry about! The good news is I’m sure this is something that can be quickly rectified on the training ground. They are both good players - the issue, as you point out, is one of communication and understanding. Fingers crossed that they sort this out quickly. It was gutting to concede that soft header right at the end last night after such am improved performance from the team.
 
Champagneblade said:
Disappointing isn't it? We'll face some difficult, unplayable opponents this season but Chris Wood certainly isn't one of them!
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True, out of the two goals last night the second one was the weakest of the two we conceded. Woods just dropped off Egan and Anel and just looped a header goalwards. He shouldn’t have had that much room but having said that, how many opportunities did we have to clear the ball ??
 
cooperblade said:
I wonder if playing a 3 sometimes, counterintuitively, makes it more difficult to mark strikers at crosses.

As a defender, you're always told that if the striker can see your shirt number, you're in trouble. In a 3 though, it's maybe less obvious who is picking up who and Egan might think "the strikers got behind me but Anel/Robbo will have him" and then the striker is in a nice gap if the cross is good.
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I thought this v palace, often their attackers were moving across as they came forward but our 3 weren’t “going with” them so relying on one of the others to pick them up.

Assume they are playing to instructions but PL movement and delivery is much better and quicker than last season so we need to step up the concentration and communication across the 3/5
 



riselikeasalmon said:
I thought this v palace, often their attackers were moving across as they came forward but our 3 weren’t “going with” them so relying on one of the others to pick them up.

Assume they are playing to instructions but PL movement and delivery is much better and quicker than last season so we need to step up the concentration and communication across the 3/5
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They are passing players on when marking , but now playing against better quality players and being found out sadly .. Robinson has been the better of them .. all 3 goals have been defensive mistakes.. I can’t see us keeping many clean sheets this season and we don’t have many goals in us either at present ... both of which we had neither of in our last calamitous campaign at this level
 
Champagneblade said:
Hopefully as soon as the final whistle went.

Poor goals conceded so far.

Don't think we were as soft to routine crosses when we were in the league below.
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Agree on poor goals

however i dont think it’s were softer, just the oppo are better

awonyi cost £20m & £50k pw
wood cost £15m and £70k pw
edouard cost £15m & £84k pw

all 3 goals have come from crosses with the forward finding a gap between our defenders

thats what £15-20m gets you

we need to tighten up in defence, go and get a £15-20m forward ourselves and I think well be ok

when traore, Souza, hamer and Davies are at 100%, add a goal scorer and tighter defence we‘ll be ok

its always going to take time to get up to speed, I was impressed with the new lads, but more importantly the game on game improvement
 
Hecky quoted as saying their second goal came from a misunderstanding between 2 subs on who to press - completely exonerating the CBs ???
 
cooperblade said:
I wonder if playing a 3 sometimes, counterintuitively, makes it more difficult to mark strikers at crosses.

As a defender, you're always told that if the striker can see your shirt number, you're in trouble. In a 3 though, it's maybe less obvious who is picking up who and Egan might think "the strikers got behind me but Anel/Robbo will have him" and then the striker is in a nice gap if the cross is good.
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Good point, and something to focus on in training. Traditionally in a back three, the wide centre halves had more responsibility to mark a striker each. The middle centre half was usually the free man, organising, sweeping up and attacking the ball. But there's not too many teams that play two strikers these days. When there's only one central striker and he takes up a central position the middle centre half must deal with him a bit more, including marking and challenging opponents in the box.

Following Lowe's miskick Robinson had to push out to the left. I don't think Egan's quite comfortable with the gap between him and JR shown in this photo:

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So I think the disorganisation of the back five (JR forced out, Lowe not quite filling in) means Egan doesn't fully devote himself to marking Awoniyi. I think it may have been different if JR had been five yards to his left.

The cross is perfect and Egan is not close enough to Awoniyi to disturb his leap, nor does Egan jump high enough to reach the ball.
 
Bergen Blade said:
Good point, and something to focus on in training. Traditionally in a back three, the wide centre halves had more responsibility to mark a striker each. The middle centre half was usually the free man, organising, sweeping up and attacking the ball. But there's not too many teams that play two strikers these days. When there's only one central striker and he takes up a central position the middle centre half must deal with him a bit more, including marking and challenging opponents in the box.

Following Lowe's miskick Robinson had to push out to the left. I don't think Egan's quite comfortable with the gap between him and JR shown in this photo:

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So I think the disorganisation of the back five (JR forced out, Lowe not quite filling in) means Egan doesn't fully devote himself to marking Awoniyi. I think it may have been different if JR had been five yards to his left.

The cross is perfect and Egan is not close enough to Awoniyi to disturb his leap, nor does Egan jump high enough to reach the ball.
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We can do all the analysis we want the truth is we're just not very good.
 
Keen Blade said:
Hecky quoted as saying their second goal came from a misunderstanding between 2 subs on who to press - completely exonerating the CBs ???
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Think that may be a bit of deflection

Cut out at source yes, but if an attacker gets between 2 CBs they shouldn’t be happy with that

That said, it’s a learning curve, they’ll watch that back several times, work on drills and eradicate it

For me we were too soft, free headers, the defence may not head it, but make it hard (within the laws) for the attacker


Overall pleased with the performance, if not the result
 
Based on the Palace game what I saw was a disorganised panicking defense. We put ourselves under pressure at times especially when trying to clear but whacking against one of our own players.

Egan has his faults...getting turned....and biting when he should shadow. Anel looks a little lost compared to how he was last season. Lowe just doesn't understand how to defend.

I am happy enough with the new signings which will improve us. But we still will have weak links and the PL teams will exploit them. Even with the new signings staying up is a big ask.
 
Bergen Blade said:
Good point, and something to focus on in training. Traditionally in a back three, the wide centre halves had more responsibility to mark a striker each. The middle centre half was usually the free man, organising, sweeping up and attacking the ball. But there's not too many teams that play two strikers these days. When there's only one central striker and he takes up a central position the middle centre half must deal with him a bit more, including marking and challenging opponents in the box.

Following Lowe's miskick Robinson had to push out to the left. I don't think Egan's quite comfortable with the gap between him and JR shown in this photo:

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So I think the disorganisation of the back five (JR forced out, Lowe not quite filling in) means Egan doesn't fully devote himself to marking Awoniyi. I think it may have been different if JR had been five yards to his left.

The cross is perfect and Egan is not close enough to Awoniyi to disturb his leap, nor does Egan jump high enough to reach the ball.
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Interesting, as ever. Also, give the striker credit for doing the old Keith Edwards manoeuvre - step back away from the defender just before the ball is centred, and if the cross happens to be perfect, as this one was, there is not much any defender can do about it. The best strikers do this manoeuvre dozens of times, but the centre is not in the perfect spot; and then that one comes along, and makes it all worthwhile.
 



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