Man of the season so far

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I know you dislike giving Sharp any credit, but I don't think it's a stretch to say he's having a better season this year than last, although it's not a Coutts like improvement.

Nothing to do with that, Sharp is good at what he does and I appreciate what he brings to the team.
He is not however the answer going forwards, as I think we need a similar player with more pace and trickery. We need to plan for his replacement.

I don't feel he's playing better, giving more or doing more than last season. He's having more chances created as the stats suggest, and hence his goal ratio is better. The work and effort has remained the same.
Yes he's having a better season because he is measured on goals scored, but I don't think he is performing better in isolation.
 

We as fans and supporters have backed up Kev with a greater percentage or affordability of earnings than him.


Is this some new measure to make everyone feel better about the magic money tree?

How do you know what McCabe 'earns'? By a very rough calculation he has put something like 50-60% of his current wealth into SUFC.

In 50th position are Kevin McCabe and family with an estimated fortune of £97m.

The 50 per cent owner of League One side Sheffield United trained as a quantity surveyor before setting up his first property business in his late 20s. He made his fortune from selling his Scarborough property operation to an Australian group in 2007.

McCabe's proceeds from the original sale should have been the £142.7m paid out to his family and trusts in a special dividend in 2007/08. His new company also called Scarborough Group, showed £21.7m net assets in 2014-15. With hefty spending on Sheffield United FC, we value the McCabe family at £97m after tax.

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/yorkshire/rich-list-countdown-reaches-100m-fortunes

How much have you put in then?
 
Nothing to do with that, Sharp is good at what he does and I appreciate what he brings to the team.
He is not however the answer going forwards, as I think we need a similar player with more pace and trickery. We need to plan for his replacement.

I agree that this becomes a big issue if we are promoted. Sharp will score in the 2nd tier, but I suspect not with the same frequency. I am unconvinced we have anyone on the books at the moment who can do better. An interesting problem for the summer.
 
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the fans! Stuck by us after 6 shit years. Bigger than four PL crowds on Saturday. Over 55k in the last 2 home games. Averaging 20,955 this season. I'm filling up...

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...so much that the emotion has disabled my vocal chords and prevented me from giving any meaningful support to my team, beyond turning up.
 
Ultimately, goals win matches and Billy has done this brilliantly this season but he'd only be a very close second for me, for the player of the season award so far, behind the battling and classy ball player in Fleck. This bloke has been the heartbeat of the side and makes everything tick, he is way too good for this league.
 
I just think it's great we have a list of very good players to choose from - rewind to last year and trying to figure out a 'man of the season' was a near impossible task. For me, Billy to keep doing what he is doing is exceptional and his goals will fire us to promotion....but for me it's John Fleck, he has got better and better and to me is the heart beat of that team a joy to watch and the sort of player I wasn't sure I'd get to see in a Blades shirt - happy days
 
Fleck followed by Billy. Can't see that changing either. Billy will win any fans' vote though.

Fleck is at the heart of everything and sums up the team - ability combined with tenacity. Think he might win the players' vote.
 
Agree for me
1: Fleck closely followed
Fleck is the all round midfielder, can do everything apart from score goals.
Although he is getting close with his long shots and he also makes occasional runs straight at goal.

2: Sharp or Wright
Can't seperate Sharp and Wright, both leaders and influential on the team.

The great thing I love about this team which is totally different to our previous successful teams.
We have no star players that are totally irreplaceable. We now have 15 excellent players that perform in a well oiled machine where everyone knows their job. Even our subs bench is pretty strong.

Think we only need a top striker at least as good as Sharp and a top quality central defender.
 
...so much that the emotion has disabled my vocal chords and prevented me from giving any meaningful support to my team, beyond turning up.


Did you think there was a lack of vocal support Saturday. I'm only just getting my voice back today. Where do you sit? I thought South Stand and John Street were their usual selves but the kop felt somewhere near it's old self
 
Is this some new measure to make everyone feel better about the magic money tree?

How do you know what McCabe 'earns'? By a very rough calculation he has put something like 50-60% of his current wealth into SUFC.

In 50th position are Kevin McCabe and family with an estimated fortune of £97m.

The 50 per cent owner of League One side Sheffield United trained as a quantity surveyor before setting up his first property business in his late 20s. He made his fortune from selling his Scarborough property operation to an Australian group in 2007.

McCabe's proceeds from the original sale should have been the £142.7m paid out to his family and trusts in a special dividend in 2007/08. His new company also called Scarborough Group, showed £21.7m net assets in 2014-15. With hefty spending on Sheffield United FC, we value the McCabe family at £97m after tax.

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/yorkshire/rich-list-countdown-reaches-100m-fortunes

How much have you put in then?

What is the "Magic Money Tree" you speak of and why would my suggestion make people feel better? if anything it could possibly make people feel worse.
I did not know I said I knew what McCabe earns.
If he's put in 50- 60 % of his wealth and is still very wealthy and comfortable then he made that choice. If I put in 50-60 % of my current wealth in to SUFC then I would be very uncomfortable and all around who Know me would call me daft and badly advised. I suggest that probably 90-95% of people who attend and have supported SUFC over the last ten years would also struggle similar to me if they did that scenario.
I would suggest that the level they have invested and feel comfortable at (Season tickets, Membership and game to game attendance payees) is probably greater than McCabe and they feel that money spent, more.
 

The guy who sits on the front row of the kop just behind the right side of the goal. Every time a shot goes wide whether it be from us or opposition he stands and up and puts his arms in the air as if to say "wheeeeey, have a dig next time you knob". Cannot fault his commitment or persistence. HERO
 
He's entered the pantheon this season, alongside Edwards and Deane


Not for me he hasn't. He's not in the same class. Not by a long way. Not denying the lad has done really well for us in terms of goals, that's indisputable. But there's goals and there goals and class. And Billy isn't in the same league as Deane and Edwards I'm afraid. Good lad though he is.
 
The man of the season is absolutely obvious. It's Chris Wilder. Because without him none of this would be happening now.

If you want to talk about the player of the season, for me, that would be John Fleck. He's the most inspirational midfield player that we've had since Michael Brown. When he plays well, we win. Simple as that.
 
Man of the season Chris Wilder. How can there be any other?
Player of the season - that's a difficult one. Could go to quite a few and there's still time for someone to shine through. I think Jake Wright is amazing - certainly he gets the surprise man of the season. Fleck superb, Coutts superb and also runner up for surprise man of the season closely followed by Freeman. But at the end of the day goals win matches and Billy has 23 and is top scorer in L1 so I have to give player of the season to him. UTB
 
Each and every player in our starting XI can be lauded for their efforts this season, thus far, they've all been top notch.

But for me, our spine: Jake Wright, John Fleck, Billy Sharp.

Any one of those three should win the award come end of the season, I shan't complain who it is, they have all been remarkable and we're lucky to be watching them, and under such a talented and hardworking manager.

This season will live long in the memory.
 
You gotta watch them chickens. Never count em before they're hatched or they come home to roost.

Please stop handing out awards. We've won nowt yet.
 
Not for me he hasn't. He's not in the same class. Not by a long way. Not denying the lad has done really well for us in terms of goals, that's indisputable. But there's goals and there goals and class. And Billy isn't in the same league as Deane and Edwards I'm afraid. Good lad though he is.

Got to disagree there. Got no doubt personally that in terms of "holding his own" as a top class goalscorer, Billy's right up there with Edwards & Deane. It's more a case of them both having built hero status here over a longer period.

Would you say that Deano was a better player because he achieved at a higher level, or that Keith was a "purer" goalscorer?

In Billy's case, apart from him arguably having a better record at other clubs, of course there's his Bladeyness & the natural sheer goodwill towards him. Not just that, but the narrative of him returning home & succeeding after all the trials that had gone before. And his captaincy & influentialness. Sustained goalscoring prowess over two seasons now (even during the clownish Adkins's tactical black hole last time round) & consistently high levels of performance this season.

Most important of all, & overriding all else, though is: 1982 Darlington, 1990 Leicester, 2017...
 
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Got to disagree there. Got no doubt personally that in terms of "holding his own" as a top class goalscorer, Billy's right up there with Edwards & Deane. It's more a case of them both having built hero status here over a longer period.

Would you say that Deano was a better player because he achieved at a higher level, or that Keith was a "purer" goalscorer?

In Billy's case, apart from him arguably having a better record at other clubs, of course there's his Bladeyness & the natural sheer goodwill towards him. Not just that, but the narrative of him returning home & succeeding after all the trials that had gone before. And his captaincy & influentialness. Sustained goalscoring prowess over two seasons now (even during the clownish Adkins's tactical black hole last time round) & consistently high levels of performance this season.

Most important of all, & overriding all else, though is: 1982 Darlington, 1990 Leicester, 2017...

I'm happy to give my opinion on this Alfreton. I've seen all three of them play - and in Edwards case, I remember seeing him as a young 18 year old whippersnapper coming into the first team.

Billy Sharp is the least effective of all these three, by quite a long way. Don't forget, he's been here how many times now? Three isn't it? And he's done nothing in the other two times. He was a complete flop under 3 different managers. When you start to compare players with others, you can't just select a couple of seasons out of their career with United, you have to look at the total contribution, and that's what I'm looking at.

Keith Edwards, imo, was the best finisher of any player I've seen in a Sheffield United shirt. The fact he was likened to Jimmy Greaves is a fine testament to him. Edwards may have got criticism for appearing a bit "lazy" and not chasing down every ball - but I have never seen a player with a more astute killer instinct than him in front of goal. If that lad had the barest sniff of a chance he'd take it. He could score with his head or his feet. And he had attitude with it. He was supremely confident and wouldn't hesitate to lob a keeper from 40 yards, or, in one case as I remember in front of the kop, sell the keeper a complete dummy and run around him and tap it in. If the ball came to Edwards, anywhere within 30 yards of goal, it was likely to be ending up in the back of the net.

By contrast, I think Billy has done well for us, but my God, how many sitters has he missed too? I think I could count the number of sitters that Edwards missed in his entire career on one hand. I would need both hands to count Billy's missed sitters just for this one season. That's not knocking Billy - I think the lad's done fantastic for us this season - but I can tell you that Edwards would have been on 40 goals by now in this team.

Deano was a great player too. He was the perfect foil for the hardworking, creator, Tony Agana. I don't think Deane was as good in the air as he should have been, given his height, but he scored some great goals and showed terrific composure under pressure. But was he as good as Edwards? No, I honestly don't think he was - despite him being much taller and arguably more athletic. Edwards just had something about him.. A swagger. A confidence that no way was any keeper going to get the better of him. And they rarely did.

I think Sharp is a great poacher, but he doesn't do a lot outside of the box - unlike both these other two.

I wouldn't even put him 3rd best striker tbh. I'd put Billy Dearden ahead of him for various reasons. But it's all about opinions eh?
 
I'm happy to give my opinion on this Alfreton. I've seen all three of them play - and in Edwards case, I remember seeing him as a young 18 year old whippersnapper coming into the first team.

Billy Sharp is the least effective of all these three, by quite a long way. Don't forget, he's been here how many times now? Three isn't it? And he's done nothing in the other two times. He was a complete flop under 3 different managers. When you start to compare players with others, you can't just select a couple of seasons out of their career with United, you have to look at the total contribution, and that's what I'm looking at.

Keith Edwards, imo, was the best finisher of any player I've seen in a Sheffield United shirt. The fact he was likened to Jimmy Greaves is a fine testament to him. Edwards may have got criticism for appearing a bit "lazy" and not chasing down every ball - but I have never seen a player with a more astute killer instinct than him in front of goal. If that lad had the barest sniff of a chance he'd take it. He could score with his head or his feet. And he had attitude with it. He was supremely confident and wouldn't hesitate to lob a keeper from 40 yards, or, in one case as I remember in front of the kop, sell the keeper a complete dummy and run around him and tap it in. If the ball came to Edwards, anywhere within 30 yards of goal, it was likely to be ending up in the back of the net.

By contrast, I think Billy has done well for us, but my God, how many sitters has he missed too? I think I could count the number of sitters that Edwards missed in his entire career on one hand. I would need both hands to count Billy's missed sitters just for this one season. That's not knocking Billy - I think the lad's done fantastic for us this season - but I can tell you that Edwards would have been on 40 goals by now in this team.

Deano was a great player too. He was the perfect foil for the hardworking, creator, Tony Agana. I don't think Deane was as good in the air as he should have been, given his height, but he scored some great goals and showed terrific composure under pressure. But was he as good as Edwards? No, I honestly don't think he was - despite him being much taller and arguably more athletic. Edwards just had something about him.. A swagger. A confidence that no way was any keeper going to get the better of him. And they rarely did.

I think Sharp is a great poacher, but he doesn't do a lot outside of the box - unlike both these other two.

I wouldn't even put him 3rd best striker tbh. I'd put Billy Dearden ahead of him for various reasons. But it's all about opinions eh?

Quick points because it's late -

Edwards was a goalscoring genius no denying it at all (an absolute hero too), but did he really not miss a significant percentage? Doesn't hindsight give a bit of a rosy glow? (This isn't meant to denigrate Keith, who's my own all-time Blades hero, just to suggest that History inevitably grants Idealism.)

Did Billy really "fail miserably" under 3 different managers? When he succeeded so (seemingly) effortlessly elsewhere?

Again, looking at what Edwards (especially) & Deane did outside the box compared to Billy - again, isn't it looking back & seeing things in the past more rosily than they were in reality?

Finally, & maybe most important - especially because both Keith & Deano succeeded over longer periods - it's a case of emotions overcoming logic, I'd suggest. If Billy's the goalscoring hero of a season to compare with '82 & '90, he'll go down in folklore. Whether he's 3rd best (arguable) won't really matter. He'll just be a legend like the other two are.
 

No, not at all. If only that level of support were even remotely representative of our 'usual'. I'm giving the fans no medals for the last six years, I'm afraid. That's my point.




I don’t entirely disagree with you. Our vocal support has been poor for much of the last 5 years. That said, we have been one of the worst performing clubs (comparative to size) in the country over that period so it’s no wonder fans aren’t jumping for joy.



It’s all quite chicken and egg and an argument that’s been done to death. I think there’s something to be said for the numbers still turning up after all this time even if they are too quiet for my liking.


Now that we’re getting something to sing about, the atmosphere is returning. Long may it continue.
 

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