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It's about being capable of successfully recruiting players below the Prem (United World have failed everywhere), managing on a tight budget, and having an extremely fit and motivated team. I'm happy with any manager that fits that exacting list of requirements. It's ineluctable that I arrive at Wilder when faced with that list of requirements as there's few on the market.
United aren't a good gig at the moment so any manager worth their salt would swerve it and wait for a better opportunity, Wilder included.
 
Greasy Chap Butty said:
Assumes he'd get more, and even if so, is it worth it, as opposed to pushing for a playoff place in the championship?
Pack in a job where you are winning the majority of games, to one where you are on a hiding to nothing. Then next season be back in the same league.
I wouldn't do it if I was in that situation. No way.
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I'm guessing for most it would be a sizeable wage increase to manage in the premier. Also, these managers back themselves to do well. To have United improve, and maybe not go down as spectacularly as we are now, would be seen by many as an achievement. We also forget that we are a relatively big club with many attributes, not least wonderful loyal supporters. Not many managers come in when everything is going well. A young Dave Bassett would have relished this challenge I'm sure.
 
Kev Gee said:
No manager will take this job ATM unless it's a Blade. It's career suicide.
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Taking over a sinking ship with a chance, slim as it may be, of pulling off a miracle. Someone out there has a big enough ego and thinks he can do it. Who? no idea. But one thing for sure if there is a replacement, it'll be on the cheap
 
Foxy said:
Come on down, we’ve just spent anything we might have done in January to make a change and I want out, but might not want out. You’ve got this to play with - which is weaker than we went up with - and has given up.
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Surely the remit must be to create a squad in the Championship that in 2/3 years is capable of promotion and surviving in the PL.
 
ben1987 said:
I don’t want wilder back.

In that second season things were terrible. Granted we weren’t getting smashed every week but some things were unforgivable.

Playing that cunt every week after he’d down tools and pretending all was fine for example.

Trying multiple times to get paid off before slipping out the back door.

We need to show some imagination and pick a coach with a modern play style and match the recruitment to the style. Build something for the future like Brentford and Brighton.
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Trouble is our fans won't given any 'outsider' the time too build anything.
Unfortunately the opening post has hit the nail on the head.
 
Alex Cheeseright said:
Taking over a sinking ship with a chance, slim as it may be, of pulling off a miracle. Someone out there has a big enough ego and thinks he can do it. Who? no idea. But one thing for sure if there is a replacement, it'll be on the cheap
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Any young, up and coming manager on the upward curve will give us a wide berth.

Our squad is a mess and we are potless.

That leaves the Bladey Blades who probably feel abit sorry for us and will come in for 6 months to steady the ship. And the old has been PL type managers who no longer care about their career as it's done anyway... Big Sam type appointments.
 
Kev Gee said:
Any young, up and coming manager on the upward curve will give us a wide berth.

Our squad is a mess and we are potless.

That leaves the Bladey Blades who probably feel abit sorry for us and will come in for 6 months to steady the ship. And the old has been PL type managers who no longer care about their career as it's done anyway... Big Sam type appointments.
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I don't know about any young manager on the up, most yes but we have to find one. Surely, and don't call me Shirley, we can find one.
 
Also, isn't half the team out of contract at the end of the year. Easy way to get rid of some dead wood
 
Kev Gee said:
Probably being the manager of the worst PL side in history will make some think twice.
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Why? It's just what the new manager would have inherited. No future club in their right mind would give a shit about what happens in the next six months as we're down anyway.
 

Foxy said:
That’s the issue, can we portray a direction and leadership for considering 2/3 years time?
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That comes from the top.
I suppose the only grain of comfort is that the majority of this team are out of contract in 6 months time. So a clean slate for the new man.
So do we get someone in with a view to next season planning? Or a temp appointment whilst we plan for next season?
I don't have any confidence ATM in our owner planning his next food shop. Never mind this football club.
One thing is certain. PH and his entire backroom team need to be out on their arse by Monday afternoon.
 
Snowflake said:
Surely the remit must be to create a squad in the Championship that in 2/3 years is capable of promotion and surviving in the PL.
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In 2/3 years the parachute payments will have ran out and that entire team will have been sold
 
wak1889 said:
This mindset has been there for years , Robson wanted to get passing football play out from the back , - fans gerrim out shoes off in car park, passing the ball !!! Ridiculous idea , Slav exactly same , what did we do both times went for tried and trusted and here we are
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In the Prem
Which Slav and Robson would never have achieved
Warnock, Wilder and Hecky all playing to our DNA have
What we do when we get here is the issue
 
Greasy Chap Butty said:
Why would they?
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They'll be paid more money for one
jt64 said:
Why? It's just what the new manager would have inherited. No future club in their right mind would give a shit about what happens in the next six months as we're down anyway.
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Indeed. New manager comes in and nothing much changes. The football world shrugs and thinks "what did you expect with the crap he inherited".

On the other hand things get better and we get "respectably" relegated or even - miracle of miracles - stay up. New manager improves his reputation.

Given the new manager will also be guaranteed 6 months PL money, no manager not currently facing a realistic chance of promotion to the PL would turn down the job.
 
Valley Blade said:
Also, these managers back themselves to do well
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In which case, they'll be backing themselves to get promoted with their current team.
I just don't see it.
Maybe PA would bring in one of the relegation avoiding specialists.
But either way it means sacking Hecky = paying up his contract, and paying the new bloke. Things PA hasn't wanted / been able to do.
If there was money available to stay up, he'd have spent it on players.
 
Greasy Chap Butty said:
In which case, they'll be backing themselves to get promoted with their current team.
I just don't see it.
Maybe PA would bring in one of the relegation avoiding specialists.
But either way it means sacking Hecky = paying up his contract, and paying the new bloke. Things PA hasn't wanted / been able to do.
If there was money available to stay up, he'd have spent it on players.
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I think he'll almost certainly sack him. The fans will see to that,as it will get very hostile. I think the Prince is genuinely giving him time, just like he did with Wilder. I wish he wasn't by the way. Not sure £3m is a lot of money, in the grand scheme of things, to get rid of him.
 
Greasy Chap Butty said:
Big assumption. And even if they were , it would be for half a season, until back in the championship. So that doesn't seem a big pull imo.
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It's a big pull if for instance you go from say £8,000 a week to £16,000 for example.
That's over £200,000 to end of season wage increase. Football world loses sight of just how much money that actually is.
 
Greasy Chap Butty said:
Big assumption. And even if they were , it would be for half a season, until back in the championship. So that doesn't seem a big pull imo.
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We might well be able to offer a big upgrade for some of those managers even if relegated. We'll have £40-50m more income for 2 seasons than most of the play off contenders.

I'd suggest that plenty of managers would fancy United on a 2 & 1/2 year deal. Including many from Europe. The question is whether United are capable of scouting the best of them, which looks unlikely.
 
Greasy Chap Butty said:
In which case, they'll be backing themselves to get promoted with their current team.
I just don't see it.
Maybe PA would bring in one of the relegation avoiding specialists.
But either way it means sacking Hecky = paying up his contract, and paying the new bloke. Things PA hasn't wanted / been able to do.
If there was money available to stay up, he'd have spent it on players.
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Are you sure about the last statement?
 

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