Lundstram win ratio.

[Prestonblade5]

Not a moan or a criticism per se but I’m just wondering how many games we have won with him starting and how many games have we won when he’s started on the bench?

Someone alerted me to it on Facebook and I’m curious. I’m sure there’s a few stat men on here that can shine some light on it.

 

[Bladezz]

Not a moan or a criticism per se but I’m just wondering how many games we have won with him starting and how many games have we won when he’s started on the bench?

Someone alerted me to it on Facebook and I’m curious. I’m sure there’s a few stat men on here that can shine some light on it.

I’d look at Evans first. He’s been involved in 3 defeats out of 3 this season.

 

[Pierre's PC]

How would you like it broken down?

In relation to which goalkeeper was playing?
Quality of opposition?
Chances made?
Chances conceded?
Possession in opposition third?
Opposition possession in our final third?
Pass completion?
Midfield tackles made?
Midfield tackles missed?

Or something more straight forward like we lost x games when he played and y games when he didn't?

 

[RedandWhite]

He's shit. When he arrived he was shit. He then grew to be slightly less shit. Now it's a new season he's back to being really shit.

 

[Prestonblade5]

How would you like it broken down?

In relation to which goalkeeper was playing?
Quality of opposition?
Chances made?
Chances conceded?
Possession in opposition third?
Opposition possession in our final third?
Pass completion?
Midfield tackles made?
Midfield tackles missed?

Or something more straight forward like we lost x games when he played and y games when he didn't?

Just lost vs won please

 

[Fulwood Blade]

there is a reason CW doesn't start him as first or second choice centre mid player.

There's a reason why Evans was signed in the JTW

There's a reason Norwood was been brought in.

How many more OP about Lundstram? He is NEVER going to be first choice in centre midfield as long as CW picks the team.

UTB

 

[Pierre's PC]

Just lost vs won please

Not sure but we lost 37% of games when catering run out of balti pies by 3.27

 

[Eric Cartman]

I’d look at Evans first. He’s been involved in 3 defeats out of 3 this season.

Why look at Evans first?
And as far as I’m aware he played 2, lost 2. Same as Lundstram.

Evans by far the better player.

Fortunately Norwood is better than both

 

[Tynemouth Blade]

Life is obviously a laugh a minute in Preston!

 

[Harry's Game]

Shakey Jakey has probably the best win ratio in the squad.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Not a moan or a criticism per se but I’m just wondering how many games we have won with him starting and how many games have we won when he’s started on the bench?

Someone alerted me to it on Facebook and I’m curious. I’m sure there’s a few stat men on here that can shine some light on it.

Sounds like the name of a bad 80s band

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's about 1 in 50 or sommert like.

 

[Prestonblade5]

It’s shocking, I can think of 4 league games he’s started and we’ve won. I’m struggling to think of others.

 

[bertieblade]

The role of a supporter is to support.
By all means discuss and criticise away from the ground, but the abuse that lundstram, Stevens and others sometimes receive, it is no wonder that they do not improve.

 

[Bladezz]

Why look at Evans first?
And as far as I’m aware he played 2, lost 2. Same as Lundstram.

Evans by far the better player.

Fortunately Norwood is better than both

Evans the better player? Evans dragged everyone down I believe. Flecks form has dropped since Christmas.

Hopefully tomorrow we will see more improvements.

 

[mancunianblade]

Lundstram will be a fine player for us. Those who hate him probably hated Coutts for first season too.

Lundstram may I add has the same amount of goals for the blades as Coutts does too.

Irrelevant as it is never realised how bad Coutts scoring record was 3 In 111!!!

 

[Sheffsteel]

Evans the better player? Evans dragged everyone down I believe. Flecks form has dropped since Christmas.

Hopefully tomorrow we will see more improvements.

Interesting theory which thinking about might actually be correct.

Initial impressions of Evans was favourable. He didn’t seem massively different to Coutts.
Evans likes to show for the ball and consistently makes short passes.

However Evans always chooses the safe option, virtually every pass from Evans is either sideways or backwards.
He also seems to slow down our attacks and Fleck hasn’t been as positive either since Evans arrived.
Lundstrum seems to be the only one being positive but he occasionally gives the ball away and then loses confidence.

The beauty of Coutts was his mastery at controlling the tempo, sometimes his passing was quick and ambitious, sometimes safe and slow. Coutts was a master at keeping possession with sideways passing but at least Coutts could mix it up with great long passing
And he occasionally passed forward trying difficult through balls. Coutts even went on the occasional run dribbling past players too,

Really looking forward to seeing a midfield of Coutts, Fleck and Norwood with Duffy making cameo appearances. Also I wouldn’t write off Lundstrum yet, honestly wouldn’t surprise me if in 3 years he becomes our best midfielder.

 

[bricktop]

I thought Lundstram had a bit of a bad press at times last season, especially as he was giving it his all, and thrust in to a difficult position replacing a real crowd hero.

Personally I don’t think he is good enough for where we want to be, it happens, he deserves credit for giving it a real go and trying to prove himself, but I just don’t think he is quite what we are looking for, and if he left I wouldn’t be too disappointed and wish him well, because he is good enough to enjoy a long and decently career in football.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Evans the better player? Evans dragged everyone down I believe. Flecks form has dropped since Christmas.

Hopefully tomorrow we will see more improvements.

That’s as much to do with Coutts being injured as anything.

Lundstram is at best, absolute best, our 4th choice central midfielder. He’ll never be more. He isn’t good enough, in truth neither probably was Evans in an overall sense although a much nicer footballer to watch.

I wish we could’ve got shut in the window but you can’t sell someone no one wants to buy.

 

[Roygbiv]

His record as a starter reads:

P 22
W 4
D 6
L 12

 

[Geordie Blade]

Not sure but we lost 37% of games when catering run out of balti pies by 3.27

pm or am?

 

[Prestonblade5]

Thanks Roy, woeful record.

 

[Roygbiv]

Thanks Roy, woeful record.

As noted though, a lot of these games came post Coutts when we lost our way as a team. Interesting though that we won 7 games post Christmas once we had settled down somewhat yet he didn't play in 5 of those wins.

 

[grafikhaus]

His record as a starter reads:

P 22
W 4
D 6
L 12

I make it (FWIW) Started and completed full match (2017/18 to present):

P: 12
W: 2
D: 4
L: 6

Started but subbed:

P: 11
W: 2
D: 4
L: 5

As noted though, a lot of these games came post Coutts when we lost our way as a team. Interesting though that we won 7 games post Christmas once we had settled down somewhat yet he didn't play in 5 of those wins.

Good points. I think most would agree that losing Coutts was the pivotal moment last season. However, up to the Burton game (match 17), JL had only started 3 games - our 'purple patch'.

I really don't see the point of scapegoats - the players and CW are slowly coming to terms with the ever-increasing demands of The Championship. Some players will not hack it and be replaced by (hopefully) better players - a process we're negotiating at the moment.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

One of the biggest problems Lundstram has is he's being asked to play the Coutts role, which requires alot of composure in possession. At the minute, he doesn't have this in his locker which makes us less effective in the middle. The signing of Norwood will leave him as a back up IMO. I still think he will come good & he has age on his side, but he's an able substitute to have in the side for the time being.

 

[Beans]

Debating the merits or otherwise of Lundstram is one thing but “win ratio” when he plays is pretty meaningless. Didn’t Gareth Bale play something daft like 30 games for Spurs before he was on the winning side?

There’s eleven players, our form generally dropped off - eg I just had a quick look and we’ve only won 6 out of 19 games that Duffy has played in so far this year. Or 7 out of 24 if you want to go back to the Burton game where we lost Coutts.

 

[Eric Cartman]

His record as a starter reads:

P 22
W 4
D 6
L 12

That’s dreadful reading

 

[DronnieBlade]

Meaningless and pointless thread.

Direct correlation between the availability of another player.

I assume you know who

UTB

 

[Bladezz]

That’s as much to do with Coutts being injured as anything.

Lundstram is at best, absolute best, our 4th choice central midfielder. He’ll never be more. He isn’t good enough, in truth neither probably was Evans in an overall sense although a much nicer footballer to watch.

I wish we could’ve got shut in the window but you can’t sell someone no one wants to buy.

Or that someone doesn’t want to sell. Lundstram has only ever really played in a team that Evans has played in.

Let’s give him a chance when he plays with Norwood / Coutts. Maybe get a game tonight with Norwood for some of the game. Now we have to give Lundstram a few games and reassess.

 

[Rusty view]

His record as a starter reads:

P 22
W 4
D 6
L 12

How many of those did Lundstram have to put up with Evans next to him though #camplundstram