Look to the Kids

[robbiez666]

I don't care if they're not quite ready. Adams and Wallace were not ready and have both done better than most of the established players.

This season seems to be following a familiar path. I'd rather we developed some of our youngsters than constantly playing the same failing journeymen.

We need spirit, determination and passion. We currently have a team where many are on their journey down the leagues. We need hunger and something fresh. We also need to be patient and give them a chance.

 

[super_pig]

yeah i'd put in Diego and DCL and Reidy and get rid of the fucking lot of them
we got beaten by a bunch of kids today

 

[PokerBlade]

Didn't Wallace and Adams sign last Christmas? In which case they've been introduced over the last 10-11 months. Hardly just sticking them in before their time.

If the kids aren't good enough then playing them out of desperation won't help. We don't need a bunch of not good enough McFadzean-a-likes. We need some quality.

 

[metalblade]

Yes play more of the kids nothing to lose now, promotion is a fading dream, the established players aren't doing it transfer list the lot of them, let em go for free for all I care.

 

[robbiez666]

Didn't Wallace and Adams sign last Christmas? In which case they've been introduced over the last 10-11 months. Hardly just sticking them in before their time.

If the kids aren't good enough then playing them out of desperation won't help. We don't need a bunch of not good enough McFadzean-a-likes. We need some quality.

I don't know why it would be before their time. We'll only know if they're good enough when they play. It's difficult to tell at U-21 level. They at least should be going out on loan for a month and then given a go if they do well.

Personally, Reed would play every week. If we're going to keep Long in the long-term he needs to play more. DCL, Dimao deserve to get a chance.

 

[Harry's Game]

We we be alright when Bladey Brayford returns.... That if he isn't already trying to orchestrate a Twitter campaign to get a move to Derby

 

[PokerBlade]

Of course you can tell how good they are before they play in the first team. Some might do better or worse than expected, but it's not like you're clueless from watching them train day in, day out.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Let the youngsters have a crack. If they're good enough they're old enough. They'll have fire in their bellies, unlike today's useless twats.

 

[BushBlade]

Of course you can tell how good they are before they play in the first team. Some might do better or worse than expected, but it's not like you're clueless from watching them train day in, day out.

Agree but the u21s gives very little indication of whether they're good enough and there's only so much you can tell from training. Basically, some players look good in training but shit it when they have to perform in front of a crowd.
So, if it were me, I'd get as many as possible of the ones I thought might be good enough out on short term loans to see how they do. If they did well, like DCL seems to be doing, they'd be in the first team.
We'll probably win more with enthusiastic young players giving everything than with what we've got now.
I don't think the senior players are behind NA at the moment and I'm not convinced some ever will be.

 

[mosbolad]

Let the youngsters have a crack. If they're good enough they're old enough.

Yes! Absolutely!

If they're old enough they're good enough!!!

If they are good and old they are enough!.....enough?

If they are enough they are old! and enough! Good?

Enough! They're old? good? enough?

 

[PokerBlade]

Agree but the u21s gives very little indication of whether they're good enough and there's only so much you can tell from training. Basically, some players look good in training but shit it when they have to perform in front of a crowd.
So, if it were me, I'd get as many as possible of the ones I thought might be good enough out on short term loans to see how they do. If they did well, like DCL seems to be doing, they'd be in the first team.
We'll probably win more with enthusiastic young players giving everything than with what we've got now.
I don't think the senior players are behind NA at the moment and I'm not convinced some ever will be.

It just sounds like the usual desperation when a side's doing poorly. I'm sure the coaching staff are capable of judging players pretty well. If we were sat on players good enough to play in the top half of League One they'd stand out a mile in u21's games. You can tell plenty from that. That's why they know some players won't make it without having to play all of them in the league first. There's a reason why talents like Adams make it into the first team at 19 and others don't and it's because they stand out from all the other 19 year olds. It's not like we put the names of the academy in a hat and pulled his out as the one to get a go. He's in on merit. And a little bit because we sold Murphy.

 

[BushBlade]

It just sounds like the usual desperation when a side's doing poorly. I'm sure the coaching staff are capable of judging players pretty well. If we were sat on players good enough to play in the top half of League One they'd stand out a mile in u21's games. You can tell plenty from that. That's why they know some players won't make it without having to play all of them in the league first. There's a reason why talents like Adams make it into the first team at 19 and others don't and it's because they stand out from all the other 19 year olds. It's not like we put the names of the academy in a hat and pulled his out as the one to get a go. He's in on merit. And a little bit because we sold Murphy.

Yes, it is desperation. I tend to agree that the kids probably won't be the answer but several of them stood out enough in the u21s to be given the odd first team game, like Khan and Dimaio. Khan's just gone out on loan so it's a start. I think sometimes it's obvious a player is good enough, sometimes less so, like Lowton, who was almost released.

I see Barnsley have tried using young players and failed miserably so I realise it's not a panacea.

 

[robbiez666]

Yes, it is desperation. I tend to agree that the kids probably won't be the answer but several of them stood out enough in the u21s to be given the odd first team game, like Khan and Dimaio. Khan's just gone out on loan so it's a start. I think sometimes it's obvious a player is good enough, sometimes less so, like Lowton, who was almost released.

I see Barnsley have tried using young players and failed miserably so I realise it's not a panacea.

Khan, Domaio, DCL, Diego (if ever fit), Long (I know but if we're planning on keeping him then he needs to play for us or someone else) & and that striker (whose name eludes me right now).

I'd rather we integrate some of the kids into the team this season than persisting with players we're not going to keep.

 

[super_pig]

Yes, it is desperation. I tend to agree that the kids probably won't be the answer but several of them stood out enough in the u21s to be given the odd first team game, like Khan and Dimaio. Khan's just gone out on loan so it's a start. I think sometimes it's obvious a player is good enough, sometimes less so, like Lowton, who was almost released.

I see Barnsley have tried using young players and failed miserably so I realise it's not a panacea.

Crewe did ok yesterday i hear
i love all this bullshit about 'sending players on loan' like we're Man City or something. we're already in league one so what is the point of loaning them anywhere? we're already at the level where loanees from clubs go 'to'.

 

[bornablade]

At the end of season 2010/11 when our first team were relegated from the Championship and our kids were playing in the FA Youth Cup final I posted on the old 606 site that we should accept league one football for the next five years and build our future around the kids.

We are the most patient group of supporters on this planet and after watching the Blades for over 50 years I was willing to be patient for just a little longer.

Of course we didn't and we've had Wilson, Weir, Clough and now Adkins. Would we have been better off than what we are today? You know what, I doubt it.

 

[BushBlade]

Crewe did ok yesterday i hear
i love all this bullshit about 'sending players on loan' like we're Man City or something. we're already in league one so what is the point of loaning them anywhere? we're already at the level where loanees from clubs go 'to'.

To see if they can actually perform in a proper competive match in front of a proper crowd. To see if they can do it consistently, not just in cameos.
I agree that the older players should be making first team appearances by now, that's it's L1 and not the PL. I've said that in a number of posts.
I'll ignore the 'bullshit' comment because we're all pissed off at the moment.

 

[super_pig]

At the end of season 2010/11 when our first team were relegated from the Championship and our kids were playing in the FA Youth Cup final I posted on the old 606 site that we should accept league one football for the next five years and build our future around the kids.

We are the most patient group of supporters on this planet and after watching the Blades for over 50 years I was willing to be patient for just a little longer.

Of course we didn't and we've had Wilson, Weir, Clough and now Adkins. Would we have been better off than what we are today? You know what, I doubt it.

thing is.. as soon as the youngsters start to show 'real' promise.. McCabe will sell them . so they'll never get to play together anyway

 

[super_pig]

I'll ignore the 'bullshit' comment because we're all pissed off at the moment.

heh.. apologies mate. it wasn't meant to be offensive

 

[Bladesman]

I don't care if they're not quite ready. Adams and Wallace were not ready and have both done better than most of the established players.

This season seems to be following a familiar path. I'd rather we developed some of our youngsters than constantly playing the same failing journeymen.

We need spirit, determination and passion. We currently have a team where many are on their journey down the leagues. We need hunger and something fresh. We also need to be patient and give them a chance.

I was watching the Sunday Supplement and they talked about Southampton using their youngsters well when they were in this league. True they had some money to spend as well and managed to scout some decent foreign players but still built their team around their youngsters.

They also plan that far ahead that their managers fit in with the setup of the club.

 

[super_pig]

I was watching the Sunday Supplement and they talked about Southampton using their youngsters well when they were in this league. True they had some money to spend as well and managed to scout some decent foreign players but still built their team around their youngsters.

They also plan that far ahead that their managers fit in with the setup of the club.

thanks that is what i was trying to say. we're already in the league where this loaning supposedly goes on..loaning them out any lower than this level doesn't prove anything

 

[PokerBlade]

Yes, it is desperation. I tend to agree that the kids probably won't be the answer but several of them stood out enough in the u21s to be given the odd first team game, like Khan and Dimaio. Khan's just gone out on loan so it's a start. I think sometimes it's obvious a player is good enough, sometimes less so, like Lowton, who was almost released.

I see Barnsley have tried using young players and failed miserably so I realise it's not a panacea.

I rarely see the youth, but it would certainly seem as though the coaching staff disagree that the players warrant a first team start. And given the dross they're behind, that's a worry for me.

A good example is to look at our youth cup finalists and see how many are playing professional football, and how many of them at our level or higher. Maguire?

 

[Bladesman]

thanks that is what i was trying to say. we're already in the league where this loaning supposedly goes on..loaning them out any lower than this level doesn't prove anything

Exactly build a team around the likes of Reed, Kennedy and Calvert-Lewin etc. Although it is hard for us to do that properly until we offload the journeymen we have at the club.

 

[BushBlade]

I rarely see the youth, but it would certainly seem as though the coaching staff disagree that the players warrant a first team start. And given the dross they're behind, that's a worry for me.

A good example is to look at our youth cup finalists and see how many are playing professional football, and how many of them at our level or higher. Maguire?

Long and Kennedy I think and, for reasons unknown, MacFadzean. I think Slew is at Cambridge, Whitehouse at Nuneaton, Ironside at Alfreton and the last I heard of Harriott he was at somewhere like Hayes and Yeading.
Not promising is it?

 

[PokerBlade]

Not promising at all. And that's the crop from one of the best youth sides of recent years. Only one player who'd get in our current team. So how is playing the current youth a likely improvement?

 

[alcoblade]

Not promising at all. And that's the crop from one of the best youth sides of recent years. Only one player who'd get in our current team. So how is playing the current youth a likely improvement?

Yes, it's ideological bullshit. Who cares about the age or where they're from - they aren't good enough.

UTB

 

[sheffielder]

The issue with the youth team for me was that the ones that were not playing like Whitehouse etc didn't go on loan and ended up filling the u21 team. Youngsters need to play. Walker and naughtiness on both benefited from being loaned out at 18. Once they turn 20-21 with no games they generally struggle

 

[blade67]

Yes, it is desperation. I tend to agree that the kids probably won't be the answer but several of them stood out enough in the u21s to be given the odd first team game, like Khan and Dimaio. Khan's just gone out on loan so it's a start. I think sometimes it's obvious a player is good enough, sometimes less so, like Lowton, who was almost released.

I see Barnsley have tried using young players and failed miserably so I realise it's not a panacea.

^^^^^^^^^
This.

Magahay, Wallace, Adams, Reed are already in the squad
DCL might come back and get a chance
Diego might also get a chance

Who else?

 

[bonobo]

I wouldn't go all the way of dragging players from the academy, but whatever combination we put out, we don't have an 11 either good enough or balanced enough to boss enough games to compete for automatic promotion and unless we can bring in players in the next transfer window, that's not going to change...so i would certainly say there is a lot of merit in going with the younger players in the first team squad, particularly in midfield....where we need as much energy as we can get.....during the cup run last season, Clough often went with the younge players in midfield to at least push onto the opposition and chase down the second ball....so i would certainly be looking to have Reed, K Wallace, Scougall, Cuvelier if fit in the middle of the park...they should hopefully only be able to improve and can hardly make us less consistent...

 

[BushBlade]

Not promising at all. And that's the crop from one of the best youth sides of recent years. Only one player who'd get in our current team. So how is playing the current youth a likely improvement?

Well I've already said that I don't think it's a panacea and that its desperation.
My original point was that the u21s alone isn't a good enough indicator on its own of whether the kids are good enough so I'd send them out on loan and any that proved themselves would get a chance in the first team. Because I'd rather have inexperienced kids playing for their futures than most of the players playing now.
You seem to be under the impression that I'm saying the coaches know less than me, or that we should just throw kids in randomly. I'm not.

 

[PokerBlade]

Fair enough. Maybe I'm just miserable about everything United right now.