Loans may be the answer to our current problems

[Hodgyman]

Since bringing in new players through transfers seem to be through problematic or financial reasons and some of our current players are performing below the required standard, Loans, both in & out may help.

Some of the current squad who I think would benefit from more game time to bring them up to speed and standard would be:

Evans, Lundstam, Lavery, Lafferty and Caruthers - clearly not anywhere near Championship fitness, speed or standard & perhaps also need to have a"wake up call".

Eastwood needs more game time at a deserved & decent standard to bring him on , assuming he would otherwise be our 3rd choice when Moore is fit again

I'm unsure about Thomas as I have seen little of him.

Brooks could perhaps benefit from playing alongside Ronaldo & Bale at Real Madrid

See the Rumours section for incoming loan suggestions but a big strong striker & someone of Coady's calibre would be usefull

 

[Hodgyman]

Apologies but a double thread creation. Foxy/Linz please delete

 

[BigBed]

Ryan Leonard will get jealous!!

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Since bringing in new players through transfers seem to be through problematic or financial reasons and some of our current players are performing below the required standard, Loans, both in & out may help.

Some of the current squad who I think would benefit from more game time to bring them up to speed and standard would be:

Evans, Lundstam, Lavery, Lafferty and Caruthers - clearly not anywhere near Championship fitness, speed or standard & perhaps also need to have a"wake up call".

Eastwood needs more game time at a deserved & decent standard to bring him on , assuming he would otherwise be our 3rd choice when Moore is fit again

I'm unsure about Thomas as I have seen little of him.

Brooks could perhaps benefit from playing alongside Ronaldo & Bale at Real Madrid

See the Rumours section for incoming loan suggestions but a big strong striker & someone of Coady's calibre would be usefull

Great Hodgy's think alike! Loans will no doubt be part of the attempt to improve the squad. The problem with getting them playing with little delay and effectively is that they tend to be inexperienced, or coming back from injury, or not be playing regularly, or be coming to the end of their career. It is unrealistic to expect a high success rate.

 

[Hodgyman]

Agreed, but please not another Hammond!!!!

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Are talking payday loans? Because I know we're allegedly skint but they're never the answer.

 

[Champagneblade]

"We have relied too heavily on attempting short-term solutions and, if anything, indulging managers with too many quick fixes and short-term signings,” he said. “In hindsight, it is a factor that has contributed to the demise of United – the over reliance and use of the loan market has had a debilitating rather than strengthening effect on the first team."

Kevin McCabe, May 2011.

Funny that loans are being suggested as the best way forward when KM regarded these short terms signings as a strong factor in us getting relegated from this division 6 years ago!

 

[Cerberus Blade]

"We have relied too heavily on attempting short-term solutions and, if anything, indulging managers with too many quick fixes and short-term signings,” he said. “In hindsight, it is a factor that has contributed to the demise of United – the over reliance and use of the loan market has had a debilitating rather than strengthening effect on the first team."

Kevin McCabe, May 2011.

Funny that loans are being suggested as the best way forward when KM regarded these short terms signings as a strong factor in us getting relegated from this division 6 years ago!

I think it depends on the situation. Back then we didn't really have a strong core of players and use loans to top that up and give us a bit extra, it was the other way around. The core of the team was loan players and that's not ideal. I think now we have a good core of players and they're all together, playing some good football in the right way, but we need to add a bit more quality to that and we can use the loan market, hopefully, to give us that bit extra.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Since bringing in new players through transfers seem to be through problematic or financial reasons and some of our current players are performing below the required standard, Loans, both in & out may help.

Some of the current squad who I think would benefit from more game time to bring them up to speed and standard would be:

Evans, Lundstam, Lavery, Lafferty and Caruthers - clearly not anywhere near Championship fitness, speed or standard & perhaps also need to have a"wake up call".

Eastwood needs more game time at a deserved & decent standard to bring him on , assuming he would otherwise be our 3rd choice when Moore is fit again

I'm unsure about Thomas as I have seen little of him.

Brooks could perhaps benefit from playing alongside Ronaldo & Bale at Real Madrid

See the Rumours section for incoming loan suggestions but a big strong striker & someone of Coady's calibre would be usefull

Think that's a bit harsh on Carruthers tbh. I know he's frustrating - but he's a very skilful player who is a creative outlet for us. He does some brilliant things then let's himself down with a careless mistake here and there. If he can eradicate that from his game he's going to be a good asset and a great entertainer too.

The others I agree to some extent:

Evans - tbh I'm prepared to be patient as far as he's concerned. There was a conversation on here weeks ago when some folks are saying he would start the season partnering Sharp. My view was that it would take him weeks to get up to speed and that he'd be introduced gradually, I actually suggested it would be October time before we started seeing him get regular time in the first team. I just think it's asking too much of this lad to slot back in and start delivering considering the time out of the game. Having seen a bit of him at Chesterfield last season, I'm a bit surprised actually that he looks worse now than he did then! I think he looks very nervous tbh and that isn't helping. His first touch has been poor, which isn't like him at all. But let's give him time and not expect too much yet. He was a very good player in the past and more than capable of playing at this level and he could be again.

Lundstram - I thought he had a decent game (not outstanding) v Leicester, with a few flashes of what he can do. But he does remind me of Hammond a lot. I said that when I first saw him. He seems to be one of them players that earn a living by hitting 5 yard passes sideways and backwards and I really don't like that. Again though, let's give him time to adjust, maybe he's got more in his locker than that? I am wondering though what we've bought him for? Because he's not on a par with the midfielders we've currently got.

Lavery - I'm reaching the point where I don't think he's going to be quite good enough at this level. He's got a bit of pace and quick feet, but his positioning and decision-making aren't great.

Lafferty - I think he's decent back up but this is an area of the pitch where we could do with some pace.

 

[Harrisblade]

"We have relied too heavily on attempting short-term solutions and, if anything, indulging managers with too many quick fixes and short-term signings,” he said. “In hindsight, it is a factor that has contributed to the demise of United – the over reliance and use of the loan market has had a debilitating rather than strengthening effect on the first team."

Kevin McCabe, May 2011.

Funny that loans are being suggested as the best way forward when KM regarded these short terms signings as a strong factor in us getting relegated from this division 6 years ago!

over reliance and use of the loan market

I think that's the crucial part - not the use of loans per se

 

[Grecian2000]

Are we in such a "desperate" position that about a quarter of the current match day squad need sending out on loan?

I don't know what I'm watching compared to some but I'm really not shitting myself that we're in any imminent danger. We need some players in but we don't need 11 which I'm beginning to believe some people think!

 

[Bladeinleeds]

When was it last quality loan?

Lafferty was decent last year - and made sense given his contract situation. Eel helped out obviously

Phillips in league one is the only other recent one that springs to mind.

The issue isn't loans in themselves but not picking up great one. Plenty of prem talent available who are more than good enough for the championship

 

[blade too long]

last really good loan was Brayford then we spoilt it by buying him

 

[Hodgyman]

If we want to do well in this league (get promoted, beat Wednesday etc) we do need to recruit some new talent, the problem of late is that we haven't been able to so far. I hope that situation is resolved as first choice but may have to recruit by loans if not.

There are some really good players available on loan Last season there were players like Izzy Brown from Chelsea as a good example, who helped improve Huddersfield no end. Matt Phillips was such a player previously.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

When was it last quality loan?

Lafferty was decent last year - and made sense given his contract situation. Eel helped out obviously

Phillips in league one is the only other recent one that springs to mind.

The issue isn't loans in themselves but not picking up great one. Plenty of prem talent available who are more than good enough for the championship

I think Wilder probably did well with loans last year. Lafferty improved things, as did EEL, though his contribution lessened as the season wore on. Chapman looked a good option, but he got injured before he could have more than a cameo role. Riley was probably a good signing, but he got injured almost immediately. We were lucky with injuries to our regular players last year, but it is not too hard to imagine a situation where injuries to Freeman and a couple of our strikers could have led to Chapman and Riley (injury-free) playing key roles. A similar range of options this year would be good insurance.

 

[super_pig]

"We have relied too heavily on attempting short-term solutions and, if anything, indulging managers with too many quick fixes and short-term signings,” he said. “In hindsight, it is a factor that has contributed to the demise of United – the over reliance and use of the loan market has had a debilitating rather than strengthening effect on the first team."

Kevin McCabe, May 2011.

Funny that loans are being suggested as the best way forward when KM regarded these short terms signings as a strong factor in us getting relegated from this division 6 years ago!

a couple from top teams is ok.. but in 11 i think it was most of the team AFAIR .. i rather liked Chapman