Let's say...

[ShorehamRevolution]

For arguments sake Everton came in for Wilder. Do you think he'd go? Personally I think it would take a Man U, Liverpool or Arsenal to take him away from the lane and them clubs would never take him on because there fans would kick off big time about it. What kind of club, if any could take him away from us?

 

[knowsnowt]

If we match Wilder's ambition he won't be going anywhere. Its not like he asks for multi millions to spend either so wouldn't take much to keep him happy.
He's ours to lose.

 

[SwissBlade]

For arguments sake Everton came in for Wilder. Do you think he'd go? Personally I think it would take a Man U, Liverpool or Arsenal to take him away from the lane and them clubs would never take him on because there fans would kick off big time about it. What kind of club, if any could take him away from us?

I don't think he walks away from Jobs without a good reason, I think he'd taken Northampton as far as he could really and perhaps the ambition and money weren't quite on the same level when United came in for him...

Would he leave us now? I'm not sure he would, the way things are going for him and the club, he's committed to his players... But football is unpredictable.

 

[Gimli]

I don't think he walks away from Jobs without a good reason, I think he'd taken Northampton as far as he could really and perhaps the ambition and money weren't quite on the same level when United came in for him...

Would he leave us now? I'm not sure he would, the way things are going for him and the club, he's committed to his players... But football is unpredictable.

Agree. When he feels he has taken our great club as far as it can go, he will leave. But Wilder knows that we can go a lot further than we are now - it will need everyone to show the same ambition that he has. Of course he wants to manage in the premier league, why not with us though?

 

[Jon P]

I can only see Wilder leaving if he has a fall out with the Board (e.g. McCabe). Alan Knill may be tempted to leave to manage another club rather than being an assistant at some point.

Until that happens, I can't see Wilder being tempted away by any other club.

 

[ForgeBlade]

He's going nowhere. He's home and he's loving it. He really is one of our own, and I doubt he's ever been happier, or prouder, than he was when the final whistle blew at the shithole yesterday.

 

[BigBed]

Or, let's say we slaughtered the pigs at the sty..............and then say it again, we slaughtered the pigs at the sty........oh go on then, it feels good. We slaughtered the pigs at the sty!!!
It just doesn't get old does it!

 

[BigBed]

He's going nowhere. He's home and he's loving it. He really is one of our own, and I doubt he's ever been happier, or prouder, than he was when the final whistle blew at the shithole yesterday.

Besides, we will be above Everton this time next year!!

 

[cahill]

Or, let's say we slaughtered the pigs at the sty..............and then say it again, we slaughtered the pigs at the sty........oh go on then, it feels good. We slaughtered the pigs at the sty!!!
It just doesn't get old does it!

We did what ? Slaughter the pigs at the sty ?

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Or, let's say we slaughtered the pigs at the sty..............and then say it again, we slaughtered the pigs at the sty........oh go on then, it feels good. We slaughtered the pigs at the sty!!!
It just doesn't get old does it!

We did what?

 

[cahill]

We did what?

It's true, slaughtered the Pigs at the sty

 

[stringer]

Alan Knill may be tempted to leave to manage another club rather than being an assistant at some point.

Won't happen, Jon.

 

[cahill]

It's true, slaughtered the Pigs at the sty

We did what?

So I've heard ! Ave you ?

 

[cahill]

Won't happen, Jon.

I think Alan Knills tried that route and I think he knows where his breads buttered, as Chris Wilder's collaborator

 

[Pedro's Winger]

None of the top six or seven will come in for Wilder - he just wouldn't fit.
The only clubs who he might fit are the likes of Stoke and Palace but even though there'd be more money not sure he'd be tempted, unless he really thought he had no chance of getting United up.

 

[Pinchy]

I think Alan Knills tried that route and I think he knows where his breads buttered, as Chris Wilder's collaborator

One Knill is on record as saying he's a coach not a manager and has no wish to revert to the latter again.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I don't think he walks away from Jobs without a good reason, I think he'd taken Northampton as far as he could really and perhaps the ambition and money weren't quite on the same level when United came in for him...

Would he leave us now? I'm not sure he would, the way things are going for him and the club, he's committed to his players... But football is unpredictable.

That's about the long and short of it Swiss.

My one concern is whether the Prince imagines Wilder can continue pulling rabbits out of hats where relatively small budgets are concerned? A point will arrive where we have to confront far larger fees and wages, and that's a fact.

 

[Blade82]

If Everton came in I wouldn't begrudge him taking it. He'd be going to a club looking to break into the top 4 and play champions league football. He'd have to be tempted and it would be too good of an opportunity to turn down. To go from non-league to champions league in less than 10years would be some achievement.

Couldn't see him being interested in a Stoke or WBA type club, albeit a chance to manage in the premiership, as he has a realistic chance to get us there in the next couple of seasons.

 

[Grizzly blade]

We’ve debated this before.
My opinion hasn’t changed, in that I don’t believe money is his biggest motivation. So rather than money it would be a situation that would attract him.....so in football terms what he would get out of it.
Football, for football men is all about trophies and promotions.
At the moment, there are still chances he could achieve those with us, with the added bonus of being a fan,
So it would need to be a big club with genuine hopes and prospects of winning something. And clubs like those don’t hire a Chris Wilder....no matter how well he’s done.

They maintain the bravado of hiring a big name, and demand instant success. So, clubs that might fit the bill....Southampton (cup?), Everton.

But would he really leave what he’s got here for that? I’m not so sure.
I think he would rather stay here and keep things going, keep improving.

 

[SwissBlade]

That's about the long and short of it Swiss.

My one concern is whether the Prince imagines Wilder can continue pulling rabbits out of hats where relatively small budgets are concerned? A point will arrive where we have to confront far larger fees and wages, and that's a fact.

Why do people see what Wilder is doing as pulling rabbits out of hats or similar comments? I think its extremely disrespectful to Wilder, his staff and players that this is almost some sort of lucky run.

The core of the club has changed beyond what we imagined 18 months ago its not luck or magic, its through a lot of hard work and getting the best out of talented players. There is no reason why the model can't continue to bring results when the natural increase in budgets comes with success.

 

[SwissBlade]

Agree. When he feels he has taken our great club as far as it can go, he will leave. But Wilder knows that we can go a lot further than we are now - it will need everyone to show the same ambition that he has. Of course he wants to manage in the premier league, why not with us though?

If he feels that he can manage us in the Premier League, i believe that he can do it.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Why do people see what Wilder is doing as pulling rabbits out of hats or similar comments? I think its extremely disrespectful to Wilder, his staff and players that this is almost some sort of lucky run.

The core of the club has changed beyond what we imagined 18 months ago its not luck or magic, its through a lot of hard work and getting the best out of talented players. There is no reason why the model can't continue to bring results when the natural increase in budgets comes with success.

I'm puzzled that you should see this as disrespectful. What's happened so far is appropriate for a club that's underachieved massively. And for the sake of clarity I mean we should have escapade Division 1 far earlier than we did. I don't think we have a right to anything, but there's a world out there that we cannot avoid, in fact it will make demands of the club that so far we've done well to avoid. Soon that may change.

Sorry you feel I was being disrespectful, no intention on my part, but there's a truth to most things, and confronting the realities of the transfer market at the top level may soon be something we have to deal with. If Wilder can continue to find players at relatively low cost, good. But the higher we go the more will be expected of the club and it's supposed 'clout'.

 

[alcoblade]

If we match Wilder's ambition he won't be going anywhere. Its not like he asks for multi millions to spend either so wouldn't take much to keep him happy.
He's ours to lose.

"Matching his ambition" isn't necessarily under the control of those in charge though.

 

[SwissBlade]

I'm puzzled that you should see this as disrespectful. What's happened so far is appropriate for a club that's underachieved massively. And for the sake of clarity I mean we should have escapade Division 1 far earlier than we did. I don't think we have a right to anything, but there's a world out there that we cannot avoid, in fact it will make demands of the club that so far we've done well to avoid. Soon that may change.

Sorry you feel I was being disrespectful, no intention on my part, but there's a truth to most things, and confronting the realities of the transfer market at the top level may soon be something we have to deal with. If Wilder can continue to find players at relatively low cost, good. But the higher we go the more will be expected of the club and it's supposed 'clout'.

My point is its not down to luck or magic in getting to where we are, there was no luck yesterday.

What we have with Wilder, his staff and players, as well as above him at board level is a group pulling in the same direction, working to achieve the progression which we have seen over the last 18 months, on and off the field. By off the field i mean recruitment of players and staff, of turning this club around. Its not luck or Magic.

As we progress budgets will increase. Its not that we will win the lottery and do what Wolves, Villa, Man City et al have done... its a progressive build.

Like this season, we have seen a progressive improvement on the field, but in the most part this has been to compliment the current team and to build a deeper squad of quality. Hence having Sharp, Ched, Hanson, Lavery and Donaldson out but still being able to play 2 excellent strikers. Like losing Stearman and Freeman and bringing in Wright, CCV and Baldock.

I don't see a reason for the Prince or McCabe to even consider there to be an issue with Wilder in respect of utilising the budget wisely

 

[Jermyn]

Or, let's say we slaughtered the pigs at the sty..............and then say it again, we slaughtered the pigs at the sty........oh go on then, it feels good. We slaughtered the pigs at the sty!!!
It just doesn't get old does it!

WYHDP?

 

[itsinyerblood]

My point is its not down to luck or magic in getting to where we are, there was no luck yesterday.

What we have with Wilder, his staff and players, as well as above him at board level is a group pulling in the same direction, working to achieve the progression which we have seen over the last 18 months, on and off the field. By off the field i mean recruitment of players and staff, of turning this club around. Its not luck or Magic.

As we progress budgets will increase. Its not that we will win the lottery and do what Wolves, Villa, Man City et al have done... its a progressive build.

Like this season, we have seen a progressive improvement on the field, but in the most part this has been to compliment the current team and to build a deeper squad of quality. Hence having Sharp, Ched, Hanson, Lavery and Donaldson out but still being able to play 2 excellent strikers. Like losing Stearman and Freeman and bringing in Wright, CCV and Baldock.

I don't see a reason for the Prince or McCabe to even consider there to be an issue with Wilder in respect of utilising the budget wisely

All fair and reasonable points that have been commented on many times by Wilder.

Not sure why you feel to mention that yesterday's result was not down to luck? I never suggested that the result was anything other than well deserved. My point related to the fiscal constraints that Wilder has worked under since becoming manager. I think he's done a spectacular job and picked players who will grow as the club grows. I hear what you say about a progressive build, and I hope that's sufficient to give us enough financial clout to compete for higher valued players. Picking gems up from lower league clubs will always be something that Blades everywhere love, but a time will come when that becomes less of a feature of what it takes to compound a position at the top table.

I doubt we're that far apart, and perhaps interpretation has given rise to this being more of an issue than it's intended to be.

 

[SwissBlade]

All fair and reasonable points that have been commented on many times by Wilder.

Not sure why you feel to mention that yesterday's result was not down to luck? I never suggested that the result was anything other than well deserved. My point related to the fiscal constraints that Wilder has worked under since becoming manager. I think he's done a spectacular job and picked players who will grow as the club grows. I hear what you say about a progressive build, and I hope that's sufficient to give us enough financial clout to compete for higher valued players. Picking gems up from lower league clubs will always be something that Blades everywhere love, but a time will come when that becomes less of a feature of what it takes to compound a position at the top table.

I doubt we're that far apart, and perhaps interpretation has given rise to this being more of an issue than it's intended to be.

It was the rabbit from the hat comment

 

[itsinyerblood]

It was the rabbit from the hat comment

Ah......I stand by that but for reasons that perhaps have been misunderstood. Wilder's done a fantastic job, and what he's building can only be viewed as a brilliant effort on his part. I'm not one for getting carried away with spending for the sake of it, but as we rise, inevitably so will outgoings, and when this happens we cannot avoid what surrounds being regarded as a 'big' club. No doubt we'll cope, perhaps even prosper, but all the while Chris is at the helm I have faith in our ability to do well.

 

[SwissBlade]

Ah......I stand by that but for reasons that perhaps have been misunderstood. Wilder's done a fantastic job, and what he's building can only be viewed as a brilliant effort on his part. I'm not one for getting carried away with spending for the sake of it, but as we rise, inevitably so will outgoings, and when this happens we cannot avoid what surrounds being regarded as a 'big' club. No doubt we'll cope, perhaps even prosper, but all the while Chris is at the helm I have faith in our ability to do well.

So not really magic tricks then.

 

[itsinyerblood]

So not really magic tricks then.

Had a little time to think about this...I think it was the surprise of seeing the combined signing of really good players with Wilder's ability to lift both Coutts and Freeman as they blossomed and became integral to our success. It was such a strange feeling, especially after being sold pups far too often before Wilder took charge. It was as if one good, lower league, player followed another another through the door, so little surprise that I considered it something that would come to an end sooner rather than later. It's still happening though, and even though they're loans, both Blackman and CCV are here because we're now in the Championship. Top man is Chris for being able to have the sort of antennae that knows a player when he sees one.

We have a first rate manager, period.