Let us agree here and now, rather than reinvent history in the summer...

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Now I must say that I do not have all that much of an opinion on the possible sale of Nick Blackman. Years of following United have probably softened me up for sales like this one. I see him as an important player. But I can also see the lure in selling him for a quick profit - either because we have an eye on replacements or - more likely - because we do need the money.

I do have one issue though with a lot of posts I read about this potential sale today. I got a feeling that a lot of people are now saying "if we do not replace him, we will regret this in May." Very often, these are the same people who said last week after the Yeovil debacle "we are treading water and are shite. Wait until February 6 and we will be 8th, which is where we will finish if we are lucky."

So in short: We should all decide on the course of history today. If you think that the current squad is too crappy to go up anyway, this should preclude you from claiming after the fully expected eighth place finish that United "sold promotion in January".

Why am I saying this? Because I have read time and time again that, when we sold Deano and JAF on the same day, the board sold "certain promotion." When in truth, we were one of three or four teams vying for promotion and at that stage looked far from certain to go up - far from it.

The worst claim to be made in both instances would be that we "weakened our (more or less healthy?) promotion prospects by untimely sales."

Turning this fairly reasonable argument on its head, sales such as this one should entitle mainly the ridiculous optimists to most of the moaning in summer because they still expect promotion with Blackman in the side - so when we stay where we are or keep dipping further they would be within their rights to draw a connection. Whereas the people who think that we are currently a mismanaged shower of shit should restrict the criticism to such general mismanagement, rather than cite a flagship sale as a reason to miss out on targets they never thought we'd achieve anyway with the current hierchy in charge.

I am sure our learned friend Darren will point out a flaw in my logic, however. ;)

So whether one is of the optimistic or pessimistic persuasion, the least one should do on days such as this one is to stop for a second, then make a mental note of your expectations with the sold player and without - and then stick to those projections in summer. Everything else can easily become a bit of a revisionist double-dip, bending or reinventing history to suit one's argument retroactively... :p

PS: And just in case - this is intended in a wholly light-hearted manner, not divisively. If I had better technical skills, I would have combined it with a poll of expectations with Nick Blackman and without... :D

And to stop sitting on a fence and make myself slightly more attackable, Prediction with Nick Blackman 4th to 6th, Prediction without him and no meaningful replacements, 5th to 7th. So I suppose I see us getting in the play-offs either way, but his sale might mean we just miss out...
 



With Blackman - Play-offs
Without Blackman- 8th.

UTB
 
It's a premature exercise. We surely have to wait and see what enhanced recruitment is made possible by his departure?

My prediction is that, when the dust settles, we'll end up better without Blackman, good player though he is.

So, on that hypothesis: Blackman - automatic; No Blackman - Champions. :)
 
I think your last paragraph hits the nail on the head. If we continue as we have done recently, I see us finishing in the playoffs. I actually still think we would scrape into them (just) should we just replace Blackman with one player of slightly less quality.

If we're still intent of breaking into the top two and making up the ground we've lost, we need 2 possibly 3 players of upper League 1 quality to get us playing a way to enable us to achieve that - because at the minute I can't see the current XI doing that. If we're not in a position to bring those players we need in without Blackman leaving (and by all accounts we're near the limits we're allowed to pay wage-wise), then I think a sale with reinvestment is understandable.
 
It's a premature exercise. We surely have to wait and see what enhanced recruitment is made possible by his departure?

Agree with that. If FB is right and Wilson is happy with the sale then I admire his balls. Staking the season on the capacity to sign two players is impressive.

So assuming he gets what he wants - promotion. If not, outside the playoffs.
 
Agree with that. If FB is right and Wilson is happy with the sale then I admire his balls. Staking the season on the capacity to sign two players is impressive.

So assuming he gets what he wants - promotion. If not, outside the playoffs.


Who's FB John?

UTB
 
And to stop sitting on a fence and make myself slightly more attackable, Prediction with Nick Blackman 4th to 6th, Prediction without him and no meaningful replacements, 5th to 7th. So I suppose I see us getting in the play-offs either way, but his sale might mean we just miss out...


Sorry fella, missed this peach earlier..:)

To summarise - you don't want people to sit on the fence, and to make that statement you claim we'll probably make the play-off's with him, and probably make them without him.

Bold stuff mate...:D

UTB
 
I am going to reserve judgement regarding a prediction for the season until word of our two/maybe three new signings is known.

Matters could turn out for the best, if not we will be doomed to another year in league three. The play-offs are a hopeless waste of time and money, if the past is anything to go by.

HH
 
It's a premature exercise. We surely have to wait and see what enhanced recruitment is made possible by his departure?

My prediction is that, when the dust settles, we'll end up better without Blackman, good player though he is.

So, on that hypothesis: Blackman - automatic; No Blackman - Champions. :)

As I said on another thread, I also think it's an opportunity for progression if/ when Blackman goes... So long as we replace with some young pacey attack minded players... So another Cofie on loan then
 
Nick Blackman's goals from open play have gained us 9 points this season.

Just sayin....


(More points if you include penalties, but i haven't included them on the basis that every striker should score from the spot)
 
It's a premature exercise. We surely have to wait and see what enhanced recruitment is made possible by his departure?

My prediction is that, when the dust settles, we'll end up better without Blackman, good player though he is.

So, on that hypothesis: Blackman - automatic; No Blackman - Champions. :)
You keep taking the pills fella
 



Nick Blackman's goals from open play have gained us 9 points this season.

Just sayin....


(More points if you include penalties, but i haven't included them on the basis that every striker should score from the spot)


So we'd be mid table without him? Of course, Ryan Flynn or McCallister could have done the business instead.

:D

UTB
 
Sorry fella, missed this peach earlier..:)

To summarise - you don't want people to sit on the fence, and to make that statement you claim we'll probably make the play-off's with him, and probably make them without him.

Bold stuff mate...:D

UTB

Indeed. I didn't want to sit on the fence myself. So my fairly lacklustre predictions, rather than aimed at smoking other people out through their "boldness" (or lack thereof), were simply underlining that on today's basis I do not see his sale as all THAT important in the grander scheme of things. On the optimism/pessimism dividing line, I see United as way too bad for top two but likely play-off material.

So by my own reference system, I will (a) have to apologize for getting things wrong if we now end up tenth and (b) would in such as scenario be entitled to moan that I feel the sale was a significant mistake (even though I did not expect so at the time).

Anything between 3 and 7 and I won't be able to come back to the sale of Blackman in the summer and feel it significantly impacted on our season.

PS: I knew I'd confuse anyone but myself... :D
 
Keep Blackman and no signings - play offs
Without but get Duffy Robson and a striker- in with a shout of auto as we have gained competition for places where we need it
 
Selling Deane and Fjortfoft on the same day was insane but didn't cost us a guaranteed promotion place, and no-one would ever say it did. It radically minimized an extremely good chance.

In this instance promotion is now a remote possibility and the sale of Blackman is a mere kick in the teeth (adequate replacements are the stuff of pure fantasy).
 
were shit with or without him.
i dont see how thats the point though?

you dont magically become a good team, you do it by signing good players and keeping the ones you have. if we kept him and signed a couple of quality midfielders and a good league one striker, we could still get promoted by some miracle of winning a play off final. but we wont be doing that by the looks of it.
 
I've long thought that football exactly mirrors politics. Those at the very top (PM/Chairman) make short-term decisions in their own self interest. Doesn't matter how unpopular these decisions are, it's up to those further down the food chain (MPs/Manager) to explain to the electorate/supporters why these decisions have been made.

To ensure those at the top keep getting away with it, they ensure those below are a pretty compliant bunch who don't mind ritual humiliation, as long as they keep their jobs. (Why do you think Tony Blair surrounded himself with fucking morons like Prescott, Blunkett, Charles Clarke etc?)

The electorate/supporters - who have supported the same lot all their lives - end up getting fractious and arguing among themselves as they don't know all the facts, because they're not allowed to know all the facts (wait for Blackman's 'undisclosed fee', 'possibly rising to...' etc. etc.)

Some will say 'Can you blame Blackman for going for more wages/better club?' and no, I can't and would probably do the same myself.

But the other side of this particular coin is Wilson. Mostly the same people say 'His hands are tied/we've got no money (or the ludicrous fog of FFP which without knowing our income/outgoings - which none of us will ever know - creates a useful diversion)'

The same argument applies. 'Can you blame Wilson for being humiliated/keeping his job?' Yes. I would - and have - walked away when in a similar situation.

Anyway, those at the top will keep getting away with it. And to extend the analogy, the previous incumbents (i.e. managers) get the blame from the supporters.

I will not 'reinvent history in the summer'. I posted immediately after Wembley last year that Wilson should go. Not because he's ex-Wednesday. Not because I'm one of the 'shoes off brigade'. Because, as his record shows, he's no good as a manager.

As for Friday night? Include me out. I've had a fucking bellyful.
 
with blackman.. 7th
without blackman 10th on present form

perhaps we could do a wednesday and fluke a couple of brilliant signings to push us on.. naah we're never lucky like that
 
Wouldn't be surprised at all to see No Signings and then sell Blackman at 10.00pm on Thursday evening.

Nothing McCabe does or will do holds any surprises whatsoever - if Wilson is worth his salt, instead of sideling up to McCabe with a stupid grin on his face, he should demand to be backed and tell McCabe actions speak louder than words.
He won't because it will cause friction - Wilson has no backbone, he is weak and pathetic - yet he will be the one that is sacked by McCabe in the summer for 'failing' to take the Blades up!
But Hey, we're all in this together - There's no bigger Blade than McCabe - who says so McCabe OF COURSE!!!
 
I can see the headline now ................ we tried for a few ..............................fax machine .............................. loan window next week ........................... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
With Blackman 5th
Without Blackman 7th missing out on play offs on GD by a single goal resulting from a David Unsworth penalty
 



With Blackman - Play Offs
Without Blackman and suitable replacement - Playoffs
Without Blackman and without suitable replacement - Just outside Playoffs.

Just a note though, Blackman hasn't gone and may well stay.
 

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