Leon Britton

[lenners]

Seeing as Little Britton appears to be on his way back to Swansea, is there any reason why his transfer would be a free transfer?
(http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/sport/SWANS-CHASE/article-3116472-detail/article.html)

I presumed we would be able to get a fee for a player under a three-year contract?
Mods - I'm not interested in the rumour bit of the move, just if there's some reason why a player under contract, on good money, wouldn't attract a fee.

 

[Worksop_Blade]

Theres a recession on and football clubs don't have any money to spend, so United are more likely to accept a free transfer just to get rid of his wages.

 

[SwissBlade]

Fair point Lenners, I'm bemused on this.

 

[Wards]

I think the crux of it is the wages, but I also seem to remember a FIFA regulation that you can't sell a player signed on a bosman within the first year of the contract?

I think we're more than happy to get rid of the wages

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I would agree, we should certainly charge a fee as I doubt only Swansea would be interested.

Wigan for starters I'm sure are amongst others.

I think we might get a undisclosed on this one. So although I do like the player and would much rather keep him we get money in plus a big earner off the wage bill. All of it on a player who wants to move on.

 

[lenners]

I think the crux of it is the wages, but I also seem to remember a FIFA regulation that you can't sell a player signed on a bosman within the first year of the contract?

I think we're more than happy to get rid of the wages

I wondered if there was something like that knocking about.
But even if that's the case, if we could get a decent fee in the summer you wonder if it would be worth waiting.

 

[puppet]

So although I do like the player and would much rather keep him we get money in plus a big earner off the wage bill. All of it on a player who wants to move on.

This is precisely the kind of blind logic mcCabe has slowly instilled into being a normal way of doing business. Let him go, then try and recruit a couple of lesser quality players on as little as possible of his wage budget (the rest going in the black hole)... lower the overall quality of the squad... theres only one direction you can go. Letting Britton go back to Swansea to save wages would be obscene, just another one sold on the mantra of we couldnt afford to keep their excessive wage demands like. Kenny, Kilgallon and Beattie.

 

[Blade58]

I would agree, we should certainly charge a fee as I doubt only Swansea would be interested.

Wigan for starters I'm sure are amongst others.

I think we might get a undisclosed on this one. So although I do like the player and would much rather keep him we get money in plus a big earner off the wage bill. All of it on a player who wants to move on.

It seems that we can't charge a fee for a player that departs in the same season as he arrived for nowt (or somat like that)

As someone else has posted elsewhere, we could certainly loan him to the Swans, with a fee agreed to sell him to them at the end of the season

Just wondering as well, whether the departure of a permanent contracted player will be replaced with yet another?..................................................yes you guessed it!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swansea_city/9366813.stm

 

[SotonBlade]

I wondered if there was something like that knocking about.
But even if that's the case, if we could get a decent fee in the summer you wonder if it would be worth waiting.

I think it may be worth it to just get him off of the wage bill. If it means a few can come in on permanent deals to increase numbers etc, then i'd prefer the free now, to help keep us in the division

 

[Houso]

I think it may be worth it to just get him off of the wage bill. If it means a few can come in on permanent deals to increase numbers etc, then i'd prefer the free now, to help keep us in the division

Yet it would be presumably very easy to loan him out with the full wages being picked up by the other club, and a fee paid in the summer.

 

[Grecian2000]

Yet it would be presumably very easy to loan him out with the full wages being picked up by the other club, and a fee paid in the summer.

That depends on:

1. How desperate we are to get rid.
2. Who else might like to pick up his wages
3. If there's a pesky agent around somewhere to carry the can

 

[bartman]

This is precisely the kind of blind logic mcCabe has slowly instilled into being a normal way of doing business. Let him go, then try and recruit a couple of lesser quality players on as little as possible of his wage budget (the rest going in the black hole)... lower the overall quality of the squad... theres only one direction you can go. Letting Britton go back to Swansea to save wages would be obscene, just another one sold on the mantra of we couldnt afford to keep their excessive wage demands like. Kenny, Kilgallon and Beattie.

The thing is....we couldn't afford to keep them. We gambled under Robson(and to a certain extent Warnock) and it backfired so we had to get some money back quickly. Do you think Kilgallon and Beattie would have taken massive paycuts to stay with us ? If they wouldn't,we need to sell and we got good prices for them both

 

[Houso]

That depends on:

1. How desperate we are to get rid.
2. Who else might like to pick up his wages
3. If there's a pesky agent around somewhere to carry the can

The way we spend money on mediocre loans lends me to believe that we cannot be too desperate for the wage to be permanently off the books. And like I say, I refuse to believe that there isn't a club in the league who would pay both his wages and then a fee in 6 months time.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

This is precisely the kind of blind logic mcCabe has slowly instilled into being a normal way of doing business. Let him go, then try and recruit a couple of lesser quality players on as little as possible of his wage budget (the rest going in the black hole)... lower the overall quality of the squad... theres only one direction you can go. Letting Britton go back to Swansea to save wages would be obscene, just another one sold on the mantra of we couldnt afford to keep their excessive wage demands like. Kenny, Kilgallon and Beattie.

But you have made the point in your post. If players want to leave you can't make them stay, it just isn't good for the team.

Kenny, Killa and Beattie all wanted big pay rises. However I don't think money is the issue with Britton he wants to go back south.

 

[Houso]

But you have made the point in your post. If players want to leave you can't make them stay, it just isn't good for the team.

Kenny, Killa and Beattie all wanted big pay rises. However I don't think money is the issue with Britton he wants to go back south.

While I agree with this in general, if a player is in the first year of a three year contract, you've got a hell of a lot of leverage.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

While I agree with this in general, if a player is in the first year of a three year contract, you've got a hell of a lot of leverage.

But you haven't and more to the point we haven't.

Our options are to leave him out of the squad while paying him his wages and let him rot or to move him on.

While I thought he was a great player at Swansea he hasn't replicated this for us yet. The big thing is will Adams be given the wages to spend elsewhere and then for me the bigger question is will he replace him with players of a similar technique. That's the bit I really doubt.

 

[cooperblade]

Let's assume Adams doesn't see him being a regular and no-one is willing to pay a fee for him. Do we continue to pay him a big wage knowing he won't contribute much over the next few years or do we let him move and, at worst, cut our costs or, at best, free up wages for new signings?

 

[Houso]

Let's assume Adams doesn't see him being a regular and no-one is willing to pay a fee for him. Do we continue to pay him a big wage knowing he won't contribute much over the next few years or do we let him move and, at worst, cut our costs or, at best, free up wages for new signings?

Fair enough.

Let's assume that he's set on a move back to Swansea, but we say that we need a fee to recoup the money spent on wages and signing on fee since he joined the club. Swansea either pay up, or he stays at the club and gets his head down.

We're both assuming, and we're both asses.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Loan him out til the end of the season. If he plays a blinder for swansea in that period then there will be other suitors willing to pay.

Letting go now for free is utter madness.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I'd still be surprised if Swansea were the only ones in for him.

 

[raul]

Cant see Martinez risking it in the midst of another rellly battle Robert, unless you've heard differently?

 

[sitwell]

Couldn't we take a player in exchange ?

 

[Ollessendro]

I presumed we would be able to get a fee for a player under a three-year contract?

Possible explanations Len:

- FA (Bosman esque ruling) - not being able to get a fee for a player you signed for free within a certain period of time*
- Big wages - perfectly feasible. If he turned down Wigan we might have offered him 15-20k a week (again fesible as we didn't pay a fee) and we want to free up cash and hence just want rid quickly.

This doesn't mean I agree with it. I've already stated that we should be comanding a fee of at least 500k (possibly 750k - what Brum bid and got turned down by Swansea - or even a mill).

* as pointed out this could be mitigated by a loan and then command a fee during the summer. Player, agent and Swansea would be fighting against this though.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Couldn't we take a player in exchange ?

Now I think you could be on the right lines.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Let them fight for fucks sake. Player wants out, swansea want him, we should be in the driving seat here!

 

[Houso]

One thing that would irk me especially about this is that in such Bosman signings, signing on fees and high wages mitigate the lack of a transfer fee. Now, this is fine if you've then got a player to sell as an asset somewhere down the line, but with a free transfer we would in essence have paid a transfer fee and then given the player up for nothing 5 months later.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

The idea that we can't sell a player for cash in the season following his bosman-rule signing is surely rubbish. We signed Barry Hayles on a bosman, and then got a small fee for him after only a matter of months and a handful of games - which I believe was enough to reimburse us for the wages we had paid him since signing.

I'd have thought reimbursement for his wages for the period he's been with us should be the bare minimum we should sell him for.

 

[sitwell]

Why not persuade Swansea to buy Andy Reid on the cheap ,then swap him with us for Britton ?
I feel like Henry Kissinger.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I feel like Henry Kissinger.

Give him a shout, he might be up for it.

 

[Blade58]

Apparantly, LB will complete his signing for Swansea in the next 48 hours according to RS.