Lee Carsley - chat last night

[SwissBlade]

Foxy I'm with you there, but I don't see a lot of benefit from these cozy chats. I sure they've got some very good ideas and it's pleasing that they want to tell us more, to an extent.

Mention of HR monitors is great, fitness is a massive issue and anything we can gain from using these ideas can only be a good thing. But it's nothing new. Perhaps under Blackwell and even Warnock we were doing this. It was on the OS when the players came back from preseason.

But my point is that once the season starts, it's less about talking and more about doing. I'd hate to think that our coaches and manager were spending a wet Tuesday night in November chatting with fans when they could be at Carlisle v Rotherham to look at a player, opposition etc.

 

[SwissBlade]

Some fans have been saying for years that the Club doesn't tell them what's going on, or they've even been lied to, etc.

Now that we have people who are keen to communicate with the fans, there are one or two posters who demand less talk and more action.

You just can't win...

In fairness I've maintained this belief all the while

 

[Sirius]

In fairness I've maintained this belief all the while

I take your point Swiss. It will boil down to action, rather than talk but, at least the new guys are prepared to talk to us , put their aspirations on the line, From my perspective, it is good to be in the loop and I think that it is far better that the club keeps us informed. Otherwise I have only the Aussie A League. which causes me more amusement than their cricket team.

 

[stannyblade]

Carsley is right about home form though. Barring one or two teams we should be expecting to beat everyone at home.

 

[grafikhaus]

I was disappointed when we appointed Weir, because I wanted a manager who I was confident would get results and take us up.

A bit like saying we want a striker who we know will score goals. We are where we are and cannot afford to shop at Harrods. And who would this manager be who is available/affordable/confident would get results and take us up?

I'm sure QPR thought they'd found such a beast in Redknapp. When he arrived, QPR were rock bottom. Twenty-odd games later, and many millions poorer they were still rock bottom.

Promotion this season is essential. Wolves and Coventry are in a death spiral and we don't want to join them, but so far Weir and his team seem to have hit the ground running.

 

[Foxy]

Mention of HR monitors is great, fitness is a massive issue and anything we can gain from using these ideas can only be a good thing. But it's nothing new. Perhaps under Blackwell and even Warnock we were doing this. It was on the OS when the players came back from preseason.

It's more than the heart rate monitors. That was used purely as an example of the monitored training intensity.

But my point is that once the season starts, it's less about talking and more about doing. I'd hate to think that our coaches and manager were spending a wet Tuesday night in November chatting with fans when they could be at Carlisle v Rotherham to look at a player, opposition etc.

David Weir was supposed to be at Handsworth for an additional fans forum on Monday. Whilst he still would have upheld his commitment after giving his word, he'll now be taking in one of our friendlies. I can't see the scenario you mention happening

 

[Latters]

Foxy, I referred to patience because someone else on here said that he would need patience. My point was that if he needs more patience than another candidate, suggesting he won't be as successful initially, I believe the club made the wrong choice. He might not ne patience as he may hit the ground running. I hope he does and I will be there to find out, so I'm not just a fickle fan slagging the club off for the sake of it.

As for, which managerial appointment wouldn't have been a gamble, well, none of them. But, it's the size of the gamble. McCall has just had a very good season in Scotland, so would be less of a gamble, because he has done his initial spell at Bradford, where he didn't do much at all, and now appears to have learned from this. I don't want us to be Weir's Bradford. We really can't afford somebody coming her to learn a few skills and have us as a "practice", so to speak. I use McCall as an example, I'm not saying he should have definitely got the job, but would appear less risky than somebody with no experience whatsoever. We have more resources than most at this level. We could even have tried (a bit harder?) to take a manager from one of the clubs that got promoted to or from this division.

We are a shitty team on merit, which is why I'm not sure taking a gamble of such proportions is the right thing to do at a time like this. This is the most important managerial appointment in our recent history because we cannot afford to stay in this division any longer and we have appointed a novice.

We all hope everything turns out well, but until a ball has been kicked (in a competitive match) nobody really has the faintest idea of which way it will go.

Having said all that, if the choice was really only between an untried like Page or Weir, or someone with experience like Appleton or Dickov, I would rather go for the former. I just don't see how the choice can really have been that limited.

grafikhaus, mostly see the above, but regarding the QPR analogy, they had already pretty much shit it when Redknapp came in. They had an over-paid, poor squad that needed pretty much rebuilding. They tried to do that half way through the season, which rarely works. I agree with you that we need promotion this season. I hope our massive gamble pays off.

 

[SotonBlade]

Foxy, I referred to patience because someone else on here said that he would need patience. My point was that if he needs more patience than another candidate, suggesting he won't be as successful initially, I believe the club made the wrong choice. He might not ne patience as he may hit the ground running. I hope he does and I will be there to find out, so I'm not just a fickle fan slagging the club off for the sake of it.

As for, which managerial appointment wouldn't have been a gamble, well, none of them. But, it's the size of the gamble. McCall has just had a very good season in Scotland, so would be less of a gamble, because he has done his initial spell at Bradford, where he didn't do much at all, and now appears to have learned from this. I don't want us to be Weir's Bradford. We really can't afford somebody coming her to learn a few skills and have us as a "practice", so to speak. I use McCall as an example, I'm not saying he should have definitely got the job, but would appear less risky than somebody with no experience whatsoever. We have more resources than most at this level. We could even have tried (a bit harder?) to take a manager from one of the clubs that got promoted to or from this division.

We are a shitty team on merit, which is why I'm not sure taking a gamble of such proportions is the right thing to do at a time like this. This is the most important managerial appointment in our recent history because we cannot afford to stay in this division any longer and we have appointed a novice.

We all hope everything turns out well, but until a ball has been kicked (in a competitive match) nobody really has the faintest idea of which way it will go.

Having said all that, if the choice was really only between an untried like Page or Weir, or someone with experience like Appleton or Dickov, I would rather go for the former. I just don't see how the choice can really have been that limited.

grafikhaus, mostly see the above, but regarding the QPR analogy, they had already pretty much shit it when Redknapp came in. They had an over-paid, poor squad that needed pretty much rebuilding. They tried to do that half way through the season, which rarely works. I agree with you that we need promotion this season. I hope our massive gamble pays off.

Although I may not agree with your viewpoint, the post is an excellent example of putting forward a differing point of view without being antagonistic!

Certain other members of this forum take note!

 

[Latters]

Although I may not agree with your viewpoint, the post is an excellent example of putting forward a differing point of view without being antagonistic!

Certain other members of this forum take note!

Thanks Soton. I'm not asking that people agree with me, just that they see why I think what I think.

 

[SotonBlade]

Thanks Soton. I'm not asking that people agree with me, just that they see why I think what I think.

That's the way it should always be!

 

[sitwell]

Give an example of who you mean Latters ,I take it you mean someone like Aidy Bothroyd or Gary Johnson ? If so I disagree and am happier with the route we have taken.

 

[Latters]

Give an example of who you mean Latters ,I take it you mean someone like Aidy Bothroyd or Gary Johnson ? If so I disagree and am happier with the route we have taken.

Gary Johnson has a few promotions under his belt, so would have been fine by me. Not sure about Boothroyd. His football isn't particularly entertaining but he has turned Northampton around. Don't think I'd fancy him here.

Phil Parkinson's has done alright at Bradford and has a couple of promotions, so he might not have been bad as well.

It's all academic really, we'll never know how anybody else would have got on and whether they would be better or worse than Weir. As I've said, I am hoping for the best and nowhere have I said I think Weir will fail, just that it's a huge risk taking the unknown option.

 

[sitwell]

to be fair look at Johnson ,Boothroyd and Parkinson past failures and they too could be deemed a huge risk. Nobody can predict what will happen , Im just pleased we see to have a clean slate and some freshness ,I think there are too many 'jobs for the boys' and that counts at all levels of football. The same guys who are serial failures at the top seem to walk into other jobs at the top and the merry go round happens in every division ,hopefully we have found a diamond in the dross.

 

[MobileBlade]

Without going over old ground I think Gary Johnson has not been very successful outside of Yeovil and Kettering. He didn't even do very well in Latvia if you look at his overall win %age. It was the mess made at Northampton by Johnson that Boothroyd is turning around.

 

[Pinchy]

Bugger, thought there must be some kind of link there but just couldn't see it.

More Coach than Sam, eh mate?

 

[Come from away]

I have to say that so far I have been pleased with the approach taken by Weir and he has brought in some interesting players who can contribute, they may not be world-beaters but they are solid players for our level. We have been pretty close the last two seasons so, with a little luck and sustained effort, this could be the year. At this point in time I have no reason to doubt it, so I will let the results speak once they start to arrive; but I will not start by trying to take apart what has so far been a good start.

 

[SwissBlade]

It's more than the heart rate monitors. That was used purely as an example of the monitored training intensity.



David Weir was supposed to be at Handsworth for an additional fans forum on Monday. Whilst he still would have upheld his commitment after giving his word, he'll now be taking in one of our friendlies. I can't see the scenario you mention happening

Fair enough, it was just an extreme example in many ways. The hr monitors point was just referring back to the example given

I should reiterate its not that I am criticising the new regime, I welcome their new ideas completely, I'm perhaps labouring a point that they perhaps shouldn't worry about us so much right now. What they do now hardly matters. But the winning football does.

Apologies if I came across as negative, it wasn't my intention, just trying to highlight where I thought the priority lay

 

[Wapping Blade]

As you might have seen mentioned on the shoutbox if you were around last night, Lee Carlsey had specifically requested a round-table before the main Q&A last night with some of the "people from the message boards".... if you've had a text from Foxy over the past few days, that was why. DazBlade88 did manage to make it along for our lot.

His main intention seems to have been to reassure people about the collective coaching experience of both himself and David Weir and to give us a bit of an idea of their approach and how they're finding it so far.

Under Adam Owen, the training has got a bit more technical with heart rate monitors and the like and that regardless of the types of session the players will be doing, they'll always be working at about 95% exertion levels. He said that the players were responding well to this and would be under no allusions as to what was expected of them.

He said they're working on creating a passing, pressing game as he said that he knew from Coventry last season that some clubs revelled coming to Bramall Lane as they were allowed the whole pitch to play with.

They want to push forwards in numbers but not in any kind of reckless way, stressing that it would be drilled into players the importance of covering back.

Despite the insistence of certain people in attendance who also wanted to give him a masterclass in how to defend (naming no names ) he didn't really want to focus on the past regimes and said that he'd only watched the Yeovil play-off game videos from last season.

David Weir wandered in towards the end and stressed how excited they are about the opportunity they've got. He's said that "the boys" never want to leave the office and that they all live and breathe football. And that they're going to go for it, so whatever happens, they can never be accused of a lack of effort.

Although he said he wouldn't be reading the message boards, Carsley said that he knew how important they were and that they want to be open and honest with the supporters because that's the only way we're going to be able to buy into what they're trying to do.

And the bottom line was that all the fans could make a difference.

It was very interesting to hear Lee talk and hopefully he'll make himself available at future Q&A events because he does speak very well.

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