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Since Blackpool won the play off final it got me thinking how utterly crap Yorkshire is in terms of football success. I have still not really got over last years play off final where a team from a small Lancashire mill town out classed a rugged but toothless Blades side. After supporting The Blades for over 37 years since my first match I only realised towareds the end of the season that didn't go to BDTBL for a single game this season (and only went to two away games). That is the first time I have done that since I got the curse.

With Blackpool winning (I didn't want the Welsh cheats to win) they repalced one Lancahsire side with another and with the relegation of Hull from the Prem Yorkshire no longer has any representitive in the top flight. Not sure when this was last true (Darren?)

The North West has had a long list of clubs in the top flight and has done for many years. If you count Merseyside as Lancashire you can see that our side of the Pennines has been piss poor for as far back as I can remember.

Lancashire has 8 teams now inthe Prem:

Blackburn
Blackpool
Bolton
Everton
Liverpool
Man C
Man U
Wigan

Yorkshire has none. Why is this? Politics? Commerce? Tight Wads? The water?
Yorkshire clubs have some success in the past but nothing like the scale of the Lancashire clubs.

Anyone got any suggestions as to how this has happened?
 

We're better than them at cricket though. They haven't won the championship (outright) since between the wars.
 
Dessie said:
We're better than them at cricket though. They haven't won the championship (outright) since between the wars.
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I was going to say the same.

Cricket is a mans game. As is the Championship. The Premier League is for Steven Gerrard and Alan Carr.
 
It's a good question this. One Lancs club goes and another just pops up to replace them.

Yorkshire simply seems to be crap at running football clubs. It's the regimes who are to blame. Leeds, Wendy, Bradford, and now Hull, all driven into massive debt. And we were run like a whelk stall in the '90s.
 
Not sure when this was last true

There was no Yorkshire club in the top division in the following seasons: 1888-9, 1889-90, 1890-1, 1891-2, 1982-3 and 1983-4, and of course this coming season.

As for the main question, my first thought on Blackpool's win was "oh great. yet another Lancashire club".

The odd thing is not so much why Liverpool and Manchester, large cities with a long football tradition, do so well, but why the teams from the lesser Lancashire towns are so much more successful (and of course why Sheffield football hasn't punched its weight since the mid 1930s).

Blackburn, Bolton and Wigan all have some years' current experience in the top flight, and Oldham and Burnley have been there in the PL era too. All Yorkshire has is 2 seasons of Hull, 2 of Bradford and 1 of Barnsley. Hull and Bradford are both much bigger than, say, Blackburn. Burnley does not come out well of a comparison with Rotherham, for crying out loud. And it's not even Rugby League to blame - that's well entrenched in Wigan, for example.

The only obvious difference, money aside in some cases, is that league football is more entrenched in Lancashire. Everton, Blackburn, Preston, Burnley and Bolton were all founder members of the league, and there were no Yorkshire clubs. The vast majority of the teams in Yorkshire did not enter the league until the 20th century - and that is partly due to Rugby league. But then again, Wigan didn't make the league until 1978...

It's even happening at the other end of the league. Since automatic promotion started in 1987, the league has acquired Accrington and Morecambe, and lost York and Halifax (RIP). Doncaster also dropped out for a time. Scarborough came in, but are now no more. Rochdale spent 20 odd years in that division after relegation was brought in and never once came close to going down - has any Lancashire team? Bury maybe, but they survived.

The whole thing is odd. Perhaps we just have less millionaires this side of the Pennines.
 
I suppose it's 'cos football used to be a working mans sport (cloth caps, whippets, etc.) and Lancshire certainly has more 'industrial powerhouses' concentrated in a small area. So, of a Saturday, after a hard week at t'mill it was probably the natural thing to do.

Just one of those things. It's a bit like why the Scots have more world-renown inventors. Why have they got so many MPs? Why are most leftie union leaders Scottish? Why are they so fucking annoying?

Also the Lancashire thing at the moment is quantity over quality. I know United aren't the most attractive club, football-wise, but I could never watch the dross served up by Bolton or Blackburn. Burnley, Wigan and Blackpool deserve their momentary place in the sun as small reward for being some of the biggest shitholes on earth

More locally, the pitiful 'local media' keep referring to 'the big six' when, in truth all six are pretty crap.
 
Leeds and Wednesday flew the flag for Yorkshire pretty well in the 90s and early 00s.

Without those two though, Yorkshire would be seen as a laughing stock. If it isn't already.
 
JohnDenver said:
It's a good question this. One Lancs club goes and another just pops up to replace them.

Yorkshire simply seems to be crap at running football clubs. It's the regimes who are to blame. Leeds, Wendy, Bradford, and now Hull, all driven into massive debt. And we were run like a whelk stall in the '90s.
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And Lancashire folk say Yorkshiremen are tight!
 
Kenilworth said:
Since Blackpool won the play off final it got me thinking how utterly crap Yorkshire is in terms of football success. I have still not really got over last years play off final where a team from a small Lancashire mill town out classed a rugged but toothless Blades side. After supporting The Blades for over 37 years since my first match I only realised towareds the end of the season that didn't go to BDTBL for a single game this season (and only went to two away games). That is the first time I have done that since I got the curse.

With Blackpool winning (I didn't want the Welsh cheats to win) they repalced one Lancahsire side with another and with the relegation of Hull from the Prem Yorkshire no longer has any representitive in the top flight. Not sure when this was last true (Darren?)

The North West has had a long list of clubs in the top flight and has done for many years. If you count Merseyside as Lancashire you can see that our side of the Pennines has been piss poor for as far back as I can remember.

Lancashire has 8 teams now inthe Prem:

Blackburn
Blackpool
Bolton
Everton
Liverpool
Man C
Man U
Wigan

Yorkshire has none. Why is this? Politics? Commerce? Tight Wads? The water?
Yorkshire clubs have some success in the past but nothing like the scale of the Lancashire clubs.

Anyone got any suggestions as to how this has happened?
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I posed virtually the same thing several months ago, only then it was Burnley making up the 8th Lancashire team.
 
Mousey said:
I was going to say the same.

Cricket is a mans game. As is the Championship. The Premier League is for Steven Gerrard and Alan Carr.
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Is that why they all run inside when there is a bit of drizzle?
 
broomhillblade said:
I posed virtually the same thing several months ago, only then it was Burnley making up the 8th Lancashire team.
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Broomers - you're one of the longer suffering Blades on the forum - have you any pearls of wisdom to offer an explanation for this phenomenon?
 
Kenilworth said:
Broomers - you're one of the longer suffering Blades on the forum - have you any pearls of wisdom to offer an explanation for this phenomenon?
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Frankly - no.

Unless we accept that what goes around, comes around. In 1971/72 for instance, things were more evenly balanced and the 1st Division contained:
Yorkshire & the NE - Leeds United, Sheffield United, Huddersfield Town, Newcastle United
Lancashire: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool and Everton
London: Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, West Ham, Crystal Palace
East Midlands: Derby County, Leicester City, Notts Forest
West Midlands: Wolves, West Brom, Stoke City, Coventry City
The remaining two places were taken by Ipswich Town and Southampton

However, further back in 1954/55 the first division contained seven clubs from Lancashire and the NW and five from Yorkshire and the NE. I know that we live in different times and the Premiership is not the same as the old First Division, but things will change. With so many clubs in financial difficulties, the changes may occur sooner than we think.
 
broomhillblade said:
Frankly - no.

Unless we accept that what goes around, comes around. In 1971/72 for instance, things were more evenly balanced and the 1st Division contained:
Yorkshire & the NE - Leeds United, Sheffield United, Huddersfield Town, Newcastle United
Lancashire: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool and Everton
London: Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, West Ham, Crystal Palace
East Midlands: Derby County, Leicester City, Notts Forest
West Midlands: Wolves, West Brom, Stoke City, Coventry City
The remaining two places were taken by Ipswich Town and Southampton

However, further back in 1954/55 the first division contained seven clubs from Lancashire and the NW and five from Yorkshire and the NE. I know that we live in different times and the Premiership is not the same as the old First Division, but things will change. With so many clubs in financial difficulties, the changes may occur sooner than we think.
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Totally agree with you Broomhill and as we are both long suffering blades there are going to be some rapid changes in the football world as we are seeing generally in our economy which is so linked in to other countries as is our football clubs with investors from overseas.
The leagues will look totally different over the next five years.
Will this have any effect on the blades over this period of time and will we be better placed to cope with the changing pattern of football.
It makes the managerial appointment even more vital in having to develope our own talent, retain the talent and bring in quality players from other clubs who are prepared to accept more moderate wages.Then if we can get promoted will the squad be capable of and with additions retaining a place in the premiership.
I would be far happier if we could attract some further investment and will leave it up to our fans to decide if the management is right to achieve that task.
UTB
 
In perhaps three years down the line I think some "major" clubs will have had a harsh financial lesson. It may well be that one of the perceived top clubs in this country will even enter administration. This will definitely not be a bad thing. The latest soundbites from Platini and UEFA concerning clubs' expenditure will also, if followed through, change the footballing map of this country. Will it change the current situation? Perhaps. It certainly means that in the future clubs will need to be run as a business rather than as a way to throw money away with carefree abandon. It remains to be seen whether any of the Yorkshire clubs will rise to and stay amongst the elite.

It would be terrific to see United stake a claim to the future glories in a fiscally equal Premier League. Here's to hope.
 

Steady on Broomers, Kent and S.V.

We're in a real danger of a sense of rationality breaking out on this board and that would never do for for the fantasist majority.

The men in white coats will be coming for us old codgers. ( you had better look out as well Duncs, you're far too sensible for this place too)
 
Merry Millers chalk up another one for the County of Fail.
 
Maidenhead said:
Steady on Broomers, Kent and S.V.

We're in a real danger of a sense of rationality breaking out on this board and that would never do for for the fantasist majority.

The men in white coats will be coming for us old codgers. ( you had better look out as well Duncs, you're far too sensible for this place too)
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Blackwell out..!
 
Some very profound and insightful comments by you old gits on this thread. Senility... it's the future! :D

For what it's worth, I also think along similar lines to SV (I know, therapy booked for next week). A big club will hit the buffers big style in the near future, causing ripples throughout football. Some of these ripples will be strong enough to drown a few other clubs. Long term it will cause a fundamental shift in how football is administered and operated, and maybe that might mean a tightly run Yorkshire club rising to the top (don't hold your breath, though!).
 
Alright then, let's put a different spin on it.

Blackpool. Morecambe. Fleetwood. Liverpool. All at the seaside, and all pretty much as seaside destinations go, shit. Liverpool has a nice-ish bit at the Albert Dock, but the rest of the city looks like it's been the victim of more bombs than Dresden in 1945. Morecambe and Fleetwood are stuck in a time-warp, and Blackpool is great if your ideal seaside town is one with pissed trollops on hen nights, drunken Geordies and Sweaties ready to fight, expensive roller coasters, thoroughly shit pubs and a knock-off Eiffel Tower.

Now here's the case for Yorkshire.

Scarborough. Filey. Whitby. Bridlington. Robin Hood's Bay. And more.

Peasholme Park and the miniature ship battles, North Bay, South Bay, Marine Drive, Oliver's Mount. The Magpie chip shop. Candy floss, the lighthouse, Captain Cook, saucy goth birds in skimpy rubber dresses, the funicular railway, Flamborough Head, Bempton Cliffs, and lots more.

They might have the advantage as far as the football goes, but for everything else they are a dismal second.
 
shorehamview said:
Alright then, let's put a different spin on it.

Blackpool. Morecambe. Fleetwood. Liverpool. All at the seaside, and all pretty much as seaside destinations go, shit. Liverpool has a nice-ish bit at the Albert Dock, but the rest of the city looks like it's been the victim of more bombs than Dresden in 1945. Morecambe and Fleetwood are stuck in a time-warp, and Blackpool is great if your ideal seaside town is one with pissed trollops on hen nights, drunken Geordies and Sweaties ready to fight, expensive roller coasters, thoroughly shit pubs and a knock-off Eiffel Tower.

Now here's the case for Yorkshire.

Scarborough. Filey. Whitby. Bridlington. Robin Hood's Bay. And more.

Peasholme Park and the miniature ship battles, North Bay, South Bay, Marine Drive, Oliver's Mount. The Magpie chip shop. Candy floss, the lighthouse, Captain Cook, saucy goth birds in skimpy rubber dresses, the funicular railway, Flamborough Head, Bempton Cliffs, and lots more.

They might have the advantage as far as the football goes, but for everything else they are a dismal second.
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What about mablethorpe.it gets a bit like tenerife in the height of summer.cosmoplitan shops,bistros and retro bars.the place is quality with a capital c.
 
Consider cheese - Wensleydale and all it's derivates against that bland crumbly shit.
 
Does anyone know if the North West produces more pro footballers than Yorkshire? At least more that make the grade. If so is it because they graft harder?

I can't recall any really talented footballers originating from Yorkshire that strut their stuff on the World stage. Not since Keegan (who says he's a Geordie anyway even though born in Doncaster). There's loads of scousers around in almost every team. Even our best product of recent times, Jagielka, was from the North West initially wasn't he?

Who else is there from Yorkshire that's been any good? By that I mean at the top of the prem for many seasons.
 

Aaron Lennon and James Milner in the WC squad. Gary Cahill and Kevin Davies who aren't.
 
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