Lack of passion v Scunthorpe?? My arse !!

[alcoblade]

I thought Doyle stumbled after he'd made the challenge and accidentally stamped on him but I will be interested to see it again. Flynn was both reckless and dangerous and had he made contact he could have done some serious damage. Red card all day in my view.

Yesterday I thought Doyle shoud have gone (the only for fooling tap) but haing seen it again it looked like omomentum to me and we have a small chance there. I thin Flynn's challenge was too high. They sometimes get away with a yellow, but there's no chance of overturning it.

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[UnitedBlade]

I've just watched and replayed a few times the Doyle sending off. Absolutely disgraceful decision - Doyle DID NOT stamp on the player. The ref sent him off for stamping but he was at least 2 feet away from the player. If we don't appeal this I shall be very surprised.

He didn't stamp, he raked his studs down his face. Did Doyle complain ? If you watch him in other games he tries this if he's wound up and thinks he can get away with it.

 

[UnitedBlade]

We do seem to concede alot of goals from crosses that fall "inbetween" Maguire and Collins.

But in this case it was between McMahon and Maguire. No consolation I know. I thought McMahon wasn't great defensively yesterday but great free kick.

 

[sitwell]

Mcmahons booking was the referees finest moment yesterday ,totally embarred him as a competent referee.

 

[JohnDenver]

Just watched them on iplayer...

Doyle has had a red card looming for ages so no complaints when he gets caught out. And Flynn's tackle was probably just very committed rather than nasty, but you just cannot go in like that. High and with excessive force in my book.

If the club's short on cash, I suggest they save some money by accepting the bans.

 

[UnitedBlade]

Mcmahons booking was the referees finest moment yesterday ,totally embarred him as a competent referee.

Now I've calmed down, this was probably for dissent. McMahon can see the ref's a complete and utter tosser so don't give him the satisfaction.

 

[sitwell]

i was literally within feet of it ,he said nothing ,just got fouled ,had his shirt grabbed and walked off ,just one of many pathetic decisions by a total wanker out to draw attention to himself. Just seen the FLS ,Doyle did nothing to merit a card for me . Mirfin doesnt help charging up from miles away ,same as Flynns the Scunthorpe player rolled about like he had been shot ,he never made contact and the referee could see that , yellow at most

 

[Foxy]

Now I've calmed down, this was probably for dissent. McMahon can see the ref's a complete and utter tosser so don't give him the satisfaction.

If he was a stickler for dissent there wouldn't have been enough players left on the pitch to finish the game, he spent most of the match having arguments with passing players given that he had a complete lack of respect or control over those on the pitch.

 

[UnitedBlade]

If he was a stickler for dissent there wouldn't have been enough players left on the pitch to finish the game, he spent most of the match having arguments with passing players given that he had a complete lack of respect or control over those on the pitch.

I agree but he called McMahon back twice before booking him. It cannot possibly have been related to the foul, he gave it our way. I can't think what else it could possibly have been for except dissent.

I saw his card record before the game and I just knew he was going to be a "look at me ref" and I expected red cards. The highlight of his day is thrusting cards majestically into the air. Probably never kicked a ball in his life.

 

[1889]

The referee was absolutely useless, clearly wanted to be the star of the show from the word go, complete knobhead in fact just a bald headed bastard.

He did miss McMahon go right over the top on Clarke though, more or less in front of Danny Wilson. McMahon even stopped and apologised, which is a sure sign a player thinks he's in the shit, then he looked up and was no doubt pleasantly surprised to see play had continued. Which was nice.

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[BladeInThatcham]

I haven't seen any of these on replays but my initial reaction was a red card for Doyle if he stamped/attempted to stamp on the player. It's irrelevant whether he made contact or not. Will have to wait until I see it on TV though.

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Are you real?? Of course it's relevent!!
Unless your name is Rob Styles I'm not really sure intent warrants a red card.

 

[bartman]

Are you real?? Of course it's relevent!!
Unless your name is Rob Styles I'm not really sure intent warrants a red card.

If a player throws a punch and misses,it is still intent and a red card. Seen them both now on the TV and Flynn's is a deffo red for me...high,reckless and dangerous. I thought at the game that Doyle had stamped on the player and even if he didn't touch him the intent was there imo

 

[Princess Annes Dog]

And Flynn's tackle was probably just very committed rather than nasty, but you just cannot go in like that. High and with excessive force in my book.

Well then it isn't a red card. You should play football with passion and committment, and when you do you sometimes mistime the odd tackle but you shouldn't be sent off for it. The opposition player wasn't hurt, so it really can't have been that bad. No damage done = no red card for me. It's getting where there are more players being cautioned and sent off for what they might have done than what they actually did and that's absolutely killing the game as a contact sport and the players who roll about feigning injury after a hard tackle are the players who should be nailed.

Seriously, we're in the 3rd division, not the fancy dan Premiership where you can't go near a player or he falls down holding his face. The game's being ruined by cheats, pansies and poor officials.

 

[mpjacko]

Sheffield united fan tries to kill someone by shooting them but misses.

Judge asks the Sheffield united fan why he shouldn't send him down for attempted murder.

Sheffield united fan: "The opposition player wasn't hurt, so it really can't have been that bad. No damage done" "I'm not really sure intent warrants me going to jail"

 

[DazBlade88]

Are you real?? Of course it's relevent!!
Unless your name is Rob Styles I'm not really sure intent warrants a red card.

I see what you're getting at, but there's a huge difference between the two incidents. The Gerrard thing was a joke, we all know that. However, like bartman said, if Doyle has attempted to stamp then he's intended to do harm so he has to be shown a red card whether he connected or not.

It's not like I want our players to be sent off but I could see why he sent Doyle off. The Flynn decision was way more debatable for me. The speed is what makes it look worse, but he's not a malicious player and the ball was there to be won.

 

[oaklandrdblade]

The picture on the facebook page of Flynn's challenge certainly looks like a red card to me.

 

[metalblade]

Having seen the TV replays Doyle is nowhere near their player so I really don't know what he was trying to do but if it looks like intent he has to get a red card. Flynn on the other hand just makes a stupid lunge but I wouldn't call it a bit high .................. more like a full on drop kick, someone needs to pull him aside and explain it isn't WWE Smackdown. If we appeal those decisions lose and then get the bans extended they will still be fully deserved, just plain stupid both of them, Wilson ought to fine both a weeks wages.

 

[grafikhaus]

Yup. From the pic it looks very similar to the Swansea player last week. High, reckless and totally unwarranted.

 

[judge]

just watched the highlights and i have to say that although both seem a bit harsh we cant really have any complaints

 

[Princess Annes Dog]

Sheffield united fan tries to kill someone by shooting them but misses.

Judge asks the Sheffield united fan why he shouldn't send him down for attempted murder.

Sheffield united fan: "The opposition player wasn't hurt, so it really can't have been that bad. No damage done" "I'm not really sure intent warrants me going to jail"

That is a terrible analogy, we're talking about a football match where the referee used to be allowed to use his discretion. Look at the picture above, Flynn has his eye on the ball, his FOOT on the ball and the Scunny player is ducking into it. I think you've been over sensitized by the modern brand of non contact football, where you can be booked/sent off for intent. When you play the game you expect a few knocks, you either roll about whining or get up, get on with it. That was not a malicious tackle, it was a genuine attempt to win the ball and I applaud him more for that than simply standing back and letting the lad run past him. Shit happens.

Players need to toughen up, and by the sound of it so do some of you.

 

[DazBlade88]

That is a terrible analogy, we're talking about a football match where the referee used to be allowed to use his discretion. Look at the picture above, Flynn has his eye on the ball, his FOOT on the ball and the Scunny player is ducking into it. I think you've been over sensitized by the modern brand of non contact football, where you can be booked/sent off for intent. When you play the game you expect a few knocks, you either roll about whining or get up, get on with it. That was not a malicious tackle, it was a genuine attempt to win the ball and I applaud him more for that than simply standing back and letting the lad run past him. Shit happens.

Players need to toughen up, and by the sound of it so do some of you.

To be fair I think his post was more related to the Doyle incident rather than the Flynn one. That picture shows that his boot his far too high, but it also shows that all Flynn wants to do is win that ball and help get us back into the game, not hurt the player.

 

[sitwell]

The other thing the picture doesnt show is that it was very close to the touchline and the ball was going out for a throw in ,Flynn was trying to keep play alive ,why the cunthorpe player was going to head it god knows.

 

[Balham]

The fact is, Flynn had seen Doyle sent off in potentially dubious circumstances which meant that going foot first with his boot at the Scunthorpe players' head height was a bit daft at best. I fully accept that there was no intent but given the rest of the refereeing display, it's not surprising that it resulted in a red card.

That said, I could see United potentially appealing Flynn's red card. Doyle's looks bad on the TV - no matter how close (or not) to Grella. Given that Balotelli got banned retrospectively for "stamping" on Parker, Doyle's got no chance with an appeal.

 

[Deadbat]

Not at the game but having watched on TV both looked like red cards to me.

Surprised people are debating Flynn's so much; 9/10 refs would have sent him off. It was high, late and he caught the man. Whether he went for the ball or not or what the Scunny player was doing is irrelevant; it was a certain red in todays game (we migth not like it and I wish more was let go/players would toughen up as someone says but the refs are told now what to send players off for and such an incident if shown before a season in say training to refs; an assessor would say 'red card' to all the referees) Any appeal would be ridiculous.

As for Doyle's it is not quite as clear cut and I do think their man made a meal of it but their was a definite stamping motion downwards (what he was doing I do not know as the ball was not really there and he just lost his mind for a minute - stupid and total lack of leadership from your captain). Unfortunately these days it does not matter whether you make contact or not as intent often sees you sent off (been loads like it last season and this where a players motion to tackle either two footed, stamp, dive or leaves feet sees a red card regardless of whether man is made contact or if ball is won). The fact Doyle barely complained and just walked off also says something.

We cannot complain really as last year I feel Scunthrope has two sent off for probably lesser challenges or certainly no worse and Doyle milked both of these badly. What goes around comes around and to be fair, whilst I like Doyle, he can be a sneaky so and so and gets away with some quite cynical stuff at times (clever with it) so it is inevitable at times when he is seen/caught he may get cards.

I think the club will reflect and not bother appealing. There is no way either would be overturned. Obviously it seems the ref was appalling throughout the game but these two red cards in stand alone incidents were merited (taking off my red and white spectacles).

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Radio Owls just quoted Wilson as saying they are appealing both. Both are deffo reds in my opinion, but Wilson tried to appeal Beattie`s red v Exeter too.

 

[Wapping Blade]

DW should take it on the chin and move on. I hate it when managers blame the ref, Dave Jones was the worst last week and Danny was going down the same path on Saturday. Hopefully it was all heat of the moment stuff and in the calm light of Monday morning he'll realise that it was his players contributing to their own downfalls.

 

[Balham]

I agree Wapping Blade but at the same time, there has to be accountability for referees. Granted, Doyle and Flynn shouldn't have put themselves in the position whereby the referee had the choice to send them off but equally, someone should be having a word with Mr Rushton.

In the 7 games Steve Rushton has taken charge of this season, there have been 5 red cards. 4 of those reds have been shown to the away side's players: can he not deal with the crowds?

 

[Wapping Blade]

Yes, someone should be examining the refs performance and the number of red cards should be flagging up that he at least needs looking at, still not an excuse though and there's no way either red card will be overturned and we should not waste our time and energy appealing.

 

[Bladesway]

Thought Doyles was ridiculous because he appeared more to be unbalanced than trying to stamp on the bloke. Flynn I have no argument with, you can't do that in this day and age end of.

P.S Wilson sounded like Warnock used to. Didn't like that and hope it was just heat of the moment.

 

[JohnDenver]

Players need to toughen up, and by the sound of it so do some of you.