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Looks like he's 3rd choice right back at spurs given 2 different players have already been selected ahead of him in that position. So, why sign Walker as well? Give him back...please
 

I was think last night while watching MOTD what a good January loan Naughton would be if he was still not getting in the Spurs side.
 
I was think last night while watching MOTD what a good January loan Naughton would be if he was still not getting in the Spurs side.

Yes but where would we play him, Walker, in my opinion is a better right back and I suspect that Blackwell wouldn't drop the left back he signed for 400k to be replaced by a loanee right back.
 
Yes but where would we play him, Walker, in my opinion is a better right back and I suspect that Blackwell wouldn't drop the left back he signed for 400k to be replaced by a loanee right back.

Why not? He dropped Cotts for the loanee Halford.

For me Naughton once he gets his chance in thje first team will show his worth and retain his position in the squad.
 
I wonder how Naughton feels about his transfer having become a benchwarmer? Money isn't everything.

Mind you, I agree he'll establish himself at Spurs once he gets the chance.
 
Naughton played right mid in a friendly for Spurs as well as playing right back. Why play him in the preseason games if he wasn't going to start the season?

But Like any young player, he has to settle at the club first then he'll get his chance and keep his shirt at Fullback.

Its early days yet
 
I did say if he was not in the Spurs side...

All fantasy, of course, but Walker could easily step sideways into CB & Naughton could step forward to right wing (or, lets face it, replace almost anyone in our squad).
 
I did say if he was not in the Spurs side...

All fantasy, of course, but Walker could easily step sideways into CB & Naughton could step forward to right wing (or, lets face it, replace almost anyone in our squad).
This would certainly become a more pressing matter should we lose Killa.
 
Shame for Naughton but none of us can't say we didn't see it coming!

It was all perpetrated by the Agents and i think they'll have a lot of answering to do...
 
I know this sounds po faced but I don't care if he gets a start or not he is no longer a Blade. I don't much like Spurs since I got attacked down there after we beat them one -nil (just after we had beaten the pigs two nil at home Whitehouse and Deane scoring). I still care about Walker until he leaves and then I won't much care about him either. I don't look out for what Mellis is up to or Tonge the one exception is Jags, he stayed with us for an extra season in the championship when he could have gone to the prem. I will always thank Alan Kelly for turning down the pigs because he considered hiself a honourary blade, but other than Jags I don't really care what ex Blades do.
 
To some extent i agree with you (not so)Happy Blade ;-p

When naughton only had a season with us, it's hard to build up a long lasting "love" (for want of a better word!) for a player in such a short time. People will still be interested for the next year or so...and then when he finally gets his England break people will feel enthusiastic about him...because whilst he only had a first team start for a year, the guys been with us since...well...forever!

One person (ex-blade) i am taking a great interets in this year is Mr. paul peschisolido! Newly appointed manager of The Brewers: Burton Albion who i like for no other reason than i randomly chose to manage them on FM2009 (lol) and took them up a few leagues! Oh and he's Canadian...





...i love Canada!
 
Shame for Naughton but none of us can't say we didn't see it coming!

It was all perpetrated by the Agents and i think they'll have a lot of answering to do...

1st team football or more money? Pretty obvious which the agent would rather the player go for.

Naughton will be warming the bench for a while at Spurs and perhaps we should of perhaps helped move to Everton instead.
 
I thought that if he was going anywhere he should have gone to Everton, would Spurs have bothered with Walker if they hadn't got Naughton? I'm still bloody furious that we sold Walker.
 
I thought that if he was going anywhere he should have gone to Everton, would Spurs have bothered with Walker if they hadn't got Naughton? I'm still bloody furious that we sold Walker.

I'd agree with that. Think Spurs was the worse choice his agent could have made for him. My crystal ball says that the only hope Naughton has of becoming something is by moving away from Tottenham, a club who rarely bring the best out of junior players. The longer he stays there, the more he'll be forgotton. Naughton playing for England?? - not a chance whilst he's there!!
 
I thought that if he was going anywhere he should have gone to Everton, would Spurs have bothered with Walker if they hadn't got Naughton? I'm still bloody furious that we sold Walker.

I'd agree too, we needed to keep hold of one of them, greed from all quarters was the winner, we could have pushed Everton to £10m if we'd have just waited cos it's obvious for months man city are about to throw a load of cash at everton, and they need to replace Lescott with some quality, Kyle would have just about walked straight into that team (he can play CH) I'm sure Jags would help him quickly settle in.

But what happens we sell both for £8m + £2m extras, scandalous!
 

I thought that if he was going anywhere he should have gone to Everton, would Spurs have bothered with Walker if they hadn't got Naughton? I'm still bloody furious that we sold Walker.

Spurs wanted both or nothing from what I was told. Everton wanted Kyle N, would take Kyle W too, but didn't want to match the evaluation.

In the mean time, Kyle W was sold on Spurs and wanted to go there, whilst Kyle N seemingly prefered Everton.

That's why it took longer to resolve.

Very, very little we could have done to keep either of them and it's nothing but Championship Manager territory that we could have got any more money for them at that stage.
 
Very, very little we could have done to keep either of them

Rubbish. You say "you're not going anywhere as you're under contract".

You could also out the agent in the press as a troublemaker.

You could even do what the Pigs do with Beevers, Wood and Tudgay, and say the player is not for sale, or not for sale at a discount. Seemed to work for them.
 
Very, very little we could have done to keep either of them

Rubbish. You say "you're not going anywhere as you're under contract".

You could also out the agent in the press as a troublemaker.

You could even do what the Pigs do with Beevers, Wood and Tudgay, and say the player is not for sale, or not for sale at a discount. Seemed to work for them.

You really believe that is a workable option?

So we tell them it's tough, they have a contract. What then? we have two unhappy players and a pissed off agent. Their heads have already been turned and in most cases they resent you for stopping their chance of becoming instant millionairres and playing at the top level.

Even if they don't get in a mood and instead remain completely professional, we then lose them on a free at the end of their existing contracts.

Seems to have worked swimmingly for Everton taking that approach wouldn't you say?

We out the agent as a trouble causer in the press? all that does is put us in the bad books with the agent and his colleague and the players. Comprimises any future dealings with the agent and all his mates.

It worked with Beevers, Wood and Tudgay, because nobody particularly wanted them. Had Burnley lodged an actual offer, then Tudgay would have been off.

Don't forget we are also talking about a difference in clubs here, newly promoted and not particularly attractive Burnley and current Premiership leaders and high spending Spurs.

I'm as sad as anyone to see them go, but we were absolutely powerless to stop it really, so we've done fairly well at getting the price we did.
 
Very well said, Foxy. Just to add a little bit onto that; my Wednesday supporting mates all say that Tudgay has failed to impress since the start of the season & his head doesn't look in it. I think it's easy to forget that footballers are people & they can struggle for motivation just like anyone else.
 
You really believe that is a workable option?

Yes, it's 100% workable. Players must honour their contracts.

So we tell them it's tough, they have a contract. What then? we have two unhappy players and a pissed off agent. Their heads have already been turned and in most cases they resent you for stopping their chance of becoming instant millionairres and playing at the top level.

Maybe. If you nip it in the bud early you might minimise this risk. you could even do what they did with Jags, and ask for a short term commitment, renegotiating the deal they have to allow them to go if we don't go up. Or, I don't know, perhaps you could only sell one of them, which was the screamingly obvious move, halving your potential problem.

Even if they don't get in a mood and instead remain completely professional, we then lose them on a free at the end of their existing contracts.

No we don't. As said above, it could work like the Jags deal.

Seems to have worked swimmingly for Everton taking that approach wouldn't you say?

Completely different situation. Lescott plays for England. Walker had played 5 first team games. Man city pay a hell of a lot more than Spurs, and Lescott will walk into the team. Meanwhile, Naughton sits on his arse on th bench.

We out the agent as a trouble causer in the press? all that does is put us in the bad books with the agent and his colleague and the players. Comprimises any future dealings with the agent and all his mates.

Clubs may not deal with certain agents: the reverse is not true. Agents will always deal with clubs even if there's bad blood. Nature of the business. Anyway, what is there to lose? the way McCabe tells it, we are helpless in the face of agents anyway.

It worked with Beevers, Wood and Tudgay, because nobody particularly wanted them. Had Burnley lodged an actual offer, then Tudgay would have been off.

Perhaps one of the reasons it works is that Wednesday have got into the habit of telling the media players are not for sale, which we patently did not do. Tudgay was different - Wednesday let him talk to Burnley, but did not get the offer they were looking for so he stayed. they did not cast around like crazy trying to sell to someone else.

Don't forget we are also talking about a difference in clubs here, newly promoted and not particularly attractive Burnley and current Premiership leaders and high spending Spurs.

I'm sure Burnley were offering more than Wednesday were paying, and it's naive to argue otherwise. Stoke are a similar team to Burnley yet they had no difficulty signing our best player...

I'm as sad as anyone to see them go, but we were absolutely powerless to stop it really, so we've done fairly well at getting the price we did.

We were not powerless, as I have shown above. they viewed it as good business and they did it, because they looked at it solely in cash terms and not in footballing terms. This powerlessness schtick is IMHO after the event windowdressing.

Finally, I hope that Kilgallon is not sold but I am fascinated to see how those who have defended the Kyles and Beattie deals will rationalise it if it happens. Do people not care that the team is getting worse when we are told that our bank lending is minimal?
 
Maybe. If you nip it in the bud early you might minimise this risk. you could even do what they did with Jags, and ask for a short term commitment, renegotiating the deal they have to allow them to go if we don't go up. Or, I don't know, perhaps you could only sell one of them, which was the screamingly obvious move, halving your potential problem.

Do you know that we didn't do this?

Once the players have their heads turned and see the sorts of money they will be making, just how are we supposed to convince them it's a good idea to not only stay on, but to sign a new deal?

As Lescott shows, a contract does not force them to stay in the correct frame of mind, let alone performance level for them to continue to be a useful assett. Should Everton have forced him to play so far? What effect does the situation have on the rest of the squad?

Completely different situation. Lescott plays for England. Walker had played 5 first team games. Man city pay a hell of a lot more than Spurs, and Lescott will walk into the team. Meanwhile, Naughton sits on his arse on th bench.

It's all relative. Both Kyles have played for the England set up and some are absolutely convinced that they will go on to play for the first team.

Man City may pay more than Spurs, but by the same measure Everton pay Lescott far more than Sheffield United can pay the Kyles.

Regardless of Man City's position, isn't your theory that Everton could just hold him to his contract?

Clubs may not deal with certain agents: the reverse is not true. Agents will always deal with clubs even if there's bad blood. Nature of the business. Anyway, what is there to lose? the way McCabe tells it, we are helpless in the face of agents anyway.

Regardless of them dealing with us if there is bad blood, don't you think that it simply reduces our power to clinch a deal? especially on respectable terms. There is also the problem that, if i've been told correctly, Kyle's agent is also employed by more of our players.

Perhaps one of the reasons it works is that Wednesday have got into the habit of telling the media players are not for sale, which we patently did not do. Tudgay was different - Wednesday let him talk to Burnley, but did not get the offer they were looking for so he stayed. they did not cast around like crazy trying to sell to someone else.

We did previously tell the press that Kyle Naughton wasn't for sale. Simply saying something in the press doesn't magically stop big clubs coming in and trying to take your players though. How did we cast around like crazy? The two clubs came in for the players, we didn't start an auction, we didn't snap their hands off for the first deal.


I'm sure Burnley were offering more than Wednesday were paying, and it's naive to argue otherwise. Stoke are a similar team to Burnley yet they had no difficulty signing our best player...

I'm sure they were, but my point is, there is a far bigger gulf between United and Spurs than Burnley and Wednesday. Stoke had no difficulty purely for the fact that they were willing to gamble big money on wages for a player who's agent was manufacturing a move/renewal for. There is absolutely no way in this world McCabe should have sanctioned what Beattie's agent wanted, so we'd be back to the same "holding players to their contract" situation.

We were not powerless, as I have shown above. they viewed it as good business and they did it, because they looked at it solely in cash terms and not in footballing terms. This powerlessness schtick is IMHO after the event windowdressing.

Football terms didn't come into it into the slightest. Not because they weren't considered, but because they were simply irrelevant to the situation once it was clear we were in no position to be able to hold onto the players.

If you truley believe that we could have just held them to their contracts and then got them to sign a further deal with clauses, then i'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
I know what you are saying here Foxy but I still have the general impression that we were happy to take a short term view and were happy to sell them instead of fighting it.

Firstly, we could and undoubtedly should have recognised their potential earlier than we did and got them signed up on much better terms and long term contracts earlier. Having a blanket policy that we weren't looking at contracts until the end of the season was naive. This would have simultaneously reduced their desire to leave and strengthened our hand if the Prem clubs still came looking.

Secondly, the very fact that Walker has agreed to come back on loan suggests to me that he was more than happy to stay at the club. I'm also interested in the agreement we have made on paying Walker's wages. Having turned his head with more money are Tottenham funding all his increased wages or are we now paying him more anyway? In which case the decision not to offer him a new contract is even more baffling.

Other clubs at our level seem to show much more resolve than we do, they play a better hand of poker so to speak, we seemed to give far too many signs early on that we would do a deal in the hope of setting up a bidding war but in the end these clubs played us for suckers. I can see the case for selling Naughton for £6M in order to fund Evans and maybe a couple of decent loan signings - it improves the balance of the squad - but everything I've seen of Walker tells me we are mugs for selling him for £2M
 
Some good points made by a few of you, but what gets me....when Mccabe put a price tag on Naughton I knew he'd be going. Just felt like he was courting the whole thing to be honest.
 
As long as I live, I'll never understand the sale of Walker. I don't buy McCabe's excuse that it was all the agent's fault. Was the idea of moving to London to be Spurs 4th choice right back on, I guess, around 5k a week that much more appealing than staying in his home town, playing every game and being on, I guess, 3k a week?

We're all guessing I suppose but I think SUFC were more than willing to sell Walker and I have absolutely no idea why.
 
It's obviously not worked out that way so far, but being involved with Harry Redface and crew rather than our Kevin was a big factor.

I suppose a nice signing on fee of around 400k or so? And a nice secure contract will have helped too..?

I think his Carl Lewis overlaps in the first two home games of this season show that he's even bigger and stronger than last year and could be a big loss long term.

Add him to the list eh....

As for McCabe I think he knew he'd go so simply got what he could, maybe with someone like Speed in charge he would have had a different option...?
 
I don't agree with the deal either - wish we'd have kept him but IF a player does want to go then they usually do these days
And as for being worth twice as much the following year - drop me the lottery numbers for Saturday Fiery :)
 
Secondly, the very fact that Walker has agreed to come back on loan suggests to me that he was more than happy to stay at the club.

Yet, Walker was more set on leaving than Naughton. He'll come back on loan if it's a choice between sitting in the reserves or getting first team football. That means he can continue playing football at a decent level, whilst getting paid a lot more than he was with a chance of developing into a first team back at his club.

They were both happy to stay at the club, but happier to leave for bigger and better things when the option arose.

As long as I live, I'll never understand the sale of Walker. I don't buy McCabe's excuse that it was all the agent's fault. Was the idea of moving to London to be Spurs 4th choice right back on, I guess, around 5k a week that much more appealing than staying in his home town, playing every game and being on, I guess, 3k a week?

If they were paying him merely £5k a week, he would still be a blades player. He's on far more than that and an amount that we couldn't realistically pay.
 

Foxy - as you say, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think United had more options than they admit and could have done more to keep at least one of the two Kyles, you think we were powerless. Fair enough.

As I say above, though, I will be interested to see your take if Kilgallon goes too.

Paulus has summed up my major concern in relation to our recent dealings far better than I could ever do:

Other clubs at our level seem to show much more resolve than we do, they play a better hand of poker so to speak, we seemed to give far too many signs early on that we would do a deal in the hope of setting up a bidding war but in the end these clubs played us for suckers.

I think this is particularly disappointing given the admirable persistence shown by Mr McCabe and his people in getting a settlement out of West Ham - which, lest we forget, made us more unpopular than standing up to the likes of Mark Rankine would have, and involved pressing our legal rights.
 

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