Kop needs urgent redevelopment

[Sean Thornton]

Why not? Everyone agrees that the Kop is the part of the ground that needs renovating most. It's the part of the ground that houses our most passionate supporters, the lifeblood of the club.

Shame that so many people have the attitude that more corporate areas should take priority. If we decided to concentrate on building more facilities for rich people on the perfectly adequate South Stand, there's no guarantee that the additional income would be spend on kop improvements. It would be ten years at least before we saw any improvement to the Kop.

If I was the owner I'd get cracking on the kop as soon as I knew we were safe from relegation. Basic improvements would cost the same as a single player signing (Berge, McB or Brewster) and would increase matchday income for the forseeable future.

Spending £20m on what is basically a short term sticking plaster may not be the best plan.

I do agree Kop before SS though but the lifeblood of the club extends further than just one stand on Shoreham Street.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

It’s not our job to work out how to pay for the Kop. It’s our job to fill it (which we would)

 

[blade too long]

They did a good job too. Did they have to dig out construction rubble and pay for it to be removed too? (I don’t know the answer to that btw).
I don’t expect SCC to be very helpful either. (probably awkward and obstructive more like).

Yes it was the same mound as we have

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Why not? Everyone agrees that the Kop is the part of the ground that needs renovating most. It's the part of the ground that houses our most passionate supporters, the lifeblood of the club.

Shame that so many people have the attitude that more corporate areas should take priority. If we decided to concentrate on building more facilities for rich people on the perfectly adequate South Stand, there's no guarantee that the additional income would be spend on kop improvements. It would be ten years at least before we saw any improvement to the Kop.

If I was the owner I'd get cracking on the kop as soon as I knew we were safe from relegation. Basic improvements would cost the same as a single player signing (Berge, McB or Brewster) and would increase matchday income for the forseeable future.

It's business sense to get a return on money spent. South stand boxes would get money in quicker and provide home for displaced if kop was to be knocked down. Stick a temp roof on the concourse if we stay up but south stand first would be what I would do with the money if it was mine to spend

 

[Charlieblade]

Yes it was the same mound as we have

They’ve done well then. Maybe just guessing about the timescale, but I’m not optimistic about any construction plans Blades put forward.
Meanwhile where to Kop season ticket holders go. Plus the other tickets sold individually.

I did go to Molineux when they were rebuilding the equivalent of our John St stand in the eighties. Location was very similar to BDTBL.

 

[blade too long]

They’ve done well then. Maybe just guessing about the timescale, but I’m not optimistic about any construction plans Blades put forward.
Meanwhile where to Kop season ticket holders go. Plus the other tickets sold individually.

I did go to Molineux when they were rebuilding the equivalent of our John St stand in the eighties. Location was very similar to BDTBL.

Not keen on the long steps back of the kop .got to be better options

 

[Tom Bott]

Not keen on the long steps back of the kop .got to be better options

 

[YES Blade]

Do you know something everyone else dosen't?
That we have 2 seperate piles of cash. One allocated on player aquisitions,loan fees,agents fees, signing on fees; and another pot of money with millions to upgrade the kop.
Please layout the figures to enable us all to jump aboard the unicorn express to money tree land.

As I’ve said a few times, we need a plan for the stadium, I’ve never said we should do anything other than that at this stage. Part of the plan would no doubt include the financial aspects of any new stadium or redevelopment and timescales.

 

[Sean Thornton]

They’ve done well then. Maybe just guessing about the timescale, but I’m not optimistic about any construction plans Blades put forward.
Meanwhile where to Kop season ticket holders go. Plus the other tickets sold individually.

I did go to Molineux when they were rebuilding the equivalent of our John St stand in the eighties. Location was very similar to BDTBL.

The Holte development was completed in 1995. The stand was partially opened around seven months after demolition, around October of the following season.

No exec boxes.

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

The Holte development was completed in 1995. The stand was partially opened around seven months after demolition, around October of the following season.

No exec boxes.

Went in upper tier there for Sven’s first home game I think it was ‘ Spain. Won 3-0. Top stand. Shame Pompey bell ringer sat directly behind me

 

[Nightsweats]

As I’ve said a few times, we need a plan for the stadium, I’ve never said we should do anything other than that at this stage. Part of the plan would no doubt include the financial aspects of any new stadium or redevelopment and timescales.

The best laid plans pf mice and men.

Why waste a penny on bits of paper with costings that will be irrelevant a month later.
If and when we have disposable income we can allocate to ground update crack on. Until then lets not waste time on pipe dreams. The boardroom will be littered with architect drawings going back to Brearleys tenure. Sorry but whats ON THE PITCH is all that matters. Couldn't care less about fancy bars and burgers.
If we get bought out by some obscenely wealthy crowd who want to spend squillions on all that great. Until then give me good footballers and a winning team. Thats all I give a crap about.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Opening the hotel would be a start…So bloody embarrassing.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Scenes when new owner comes in and gets straight to work on the stadium development plans and McCabe sues us for using architect designs he commissioned.

 

[reedy63]

I am a season ticket holder on the back row of the Kop A F. We all stand in our seats so we don't get a view of the back of someone's head. All the rows in front of us people stand up and you can't blame them. The rake is too shallow. the club should have done a better job when they decided to put seats in. We were in the old division one Dave Bassett the manager. we were in the top division for four of five seasons. They should have done a proper job then. instead of the cheapest option. the old kop would have been closed because of safety issues. I remember talking to The Legendary Derek Dooley about the Kop. He told me the kop capacity was getting lowered every close season. so they had three months to put seats in and a new roof. not much time to do a proper job.so now we are getting hassle from the council about safety etc. whether we like it or not summat has to be done. The trouble is the prince and the board of directors ain't interested. They want to sell the clubs in that respect we are snookered the best thing we can do is let Hecky and co continue the great work they are doing. forget about the redevelopment of the Kop or south stand.it is more important to stay in the premier league. And try to buy players who can do that.

 

[S64 Blade]

Opening the hotel would be a start…So bloody embarrassing.

We must have pissed off Hilton group with this. They signed a deal 2 years ago. Still not done our bit, so I’d guess they won’t be taking up their option now.

 

[jt64]

Seems to be a certain group of people posting here that think we can only ever spend money on one thing or another, and that same group of people are "on pitch above all else" in terms of what it is spent on. The former clearly isn't true, and the latter is clearly silly in the longer term

 

[Sean Thornton]

Has everyone forgotten about the two parcels of land McCabe owns that may well seriously inhibit development?

Oh, and we’ve no money……

 

[reedy63]

Can you elaborate Jt 64?

 

[Sean Thornton]

We must have pissed off Hilton group with this. They signed a deal 2 years ago. Still not done our bit, so I’d guess they won’t be taking up their option now.

I doubt its bricks and mortar value can’t get much less as it rots internally. With the reported work on the cladding required before we can reopen it together with the cost of a complete internal refurb we’d be spending money - again, which we don’t have - we’d be “investing” in a business which has continually cost money from day one.

Yes it’s an eyesore but anyone on here crabbing about not spending on it must be totally happy with Heckys budget.

 

[bladesmanluke]

Has everyone forgotten about the two parcels of land McCabe owns that may well seriously inhibit development?

Oh, and we’ve no money……

McCabe took into consideration the kop expansion when planning his apartments (that will never happen). I don't see why it couldn't be worked around. Unless he just wants to be unreasonable of course

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Has everyone forgotten about the two parcels of land McCabe owns that may well seriously inhibit development?

Oh, and we’ve no money……

Bettis came out and said they weren't a issue with the current kop plans anyway

 

[Sean Thornton]

Seems to be a certain group of people posting here that think we can only ever spend money on one thing or another, and that same group of people are "on pitch above all else" in terms of what it is spent on. The former clearly isn't true, and the latter is clearly silly in the longer term

Not as silly as your fag packet calculation how you believe it would pay for itself when in fact it wouldn’t even repay the capital over twenty years.

And it’s “spend it on the pitch now” no matter how you try and spin it.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Bettis came out and said they weren't a issue with the current kop plans anyway

The current Kop plans don’t include a complete overall development which is by far the best option when affordable.

Did Bettis say when those plans were going to come to fruition? We’d be laughing if it was Chancer was promising jam tomorrow.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Laughing smiley. The hiding place of the gormless.

 

[jt64]

Not as silly as your fag packet calculation how you believe it would pay for itself

That is not what I was implying in the slightest, but carry on thinking we shouldn't at least try to cost things out

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The current Kop plans don’t include a complete overall development which is by far the best option when affordable.

Did Bettis say when those plans were going to come to fruition? We’d be laughing if it was Chancer was promising jam tomorrow.

No he didn't give any timeline it was post McCabe but essentially his extension plan. There's no financial benefit to knocking it all down. If it happens that's what it will be in all likelihood but the McCabe parcels aren't a issue. Don't think he gave any timeframe other than established in premier League.

 

[Nightsweats]

Seems to be a certain group of people posting here that think we can only ever spend money on one thing or another, and that same group of people are "on pitch above all else" in terms of what it is spent on. The former clearly isn't true, and the latter is clearly silly in the longer term

What is it we don't have any money for infrastructure spend you don't get. Seriously. It's either or. I might want a conservatory or a 4th bedroom but I can't afford to have the works done.
Please let me know how I can without having a problem with funding it. You clearly know something about how these things work that not even those on here conversant with finance don't. Please share.

 

[Sean Thornton]

McCabe took into consideration the kop expansion when planning his apartments (that will never happen). I don't see why it couldn't be worked around. Unless he just wants to be unreasonable of course

He was reportedly unreasonable when he was asked to name his price by The Prince.

Presumably his vanity projects the hotel and office block were taken into consideration when developing the ground? Look how they’ve turned out.

That Bettis is talking about Kop development plans when the club is being hawked around the world is just to appease some people. Because it’s not on the horizon yet without substantial borrowings at a time when our turnover could take a huge drop in less than a year.

 

[S64 Blade]

I doubt its bricks and mortar value can’t get much less as it rots internally. With the reported work on the cladding required before we can reopen it together with the cost of a complete internal refurb we’d be spending money - again, which we don’t have - we’d be “investing” in a business which has continually cost money from day one.

Yes it’s an eyesore but anyone on here crabbing about not spending on it must be totally happy with Heckys budget.

That may be so, but we knew what needed to be done when signing an agreement with them, which we committed to.

Perhaps if we operated in a better way and didn’t piss off global businesses like Hilton, we wouldn’t still be searching for a legitimate new owner and a new sponsor. Then we’d have more money for Hecky.

 

[Sean Thornton]

That is not what I was implying in the slightest, but carry on thinking we shouldn't at least try to cost things out

I assumed you typed it out and therefore they were your thoughts. Whatever, it was nonsense and l stated why. You could have defended your figures but went down the smiley route as a fall back instead. A bit juvenile.