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Which game will it be that we break the league record (regular season games only)?
 
Highbury_Blade said:
Which game will it be that we break the league record (regular season games only)?
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The league record is also 22, so if you take the view that the play off final counts, we have gone 15 unbeaten, so would beat that record 8 games hence which would be on 22nd Dec v Crawley. If you don't count the play offs, it would be 2 games earlier v Carlisle.
 
Darren said:
The league record is also 22, so if you take the view that the play off final counts, we have gone 15 unbeaten, so would beat that record 8 games hence which would be on 22nd Dec v Crawley. If you don't count the play offs, it would be 2 games earlier v Carlisle.
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Surely if the play-off final is to be considered a draw you would have to include the Stevenage games and therefore go back to MK Dons in April for our last league defeat, meaning we're on 20 unbeaten now?
 
Balham Blade said:
Surely if the play-off final is to be considered a draw you would have to include the Stevenage games and therefore go back to MK Dons in April for our last league defeat, meaning we're on 20 unbeaten now?[/qu
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There are three theories here:

1. Play off games don't count as league games: hence our last league defeat was that game at MKD and we are therefore now on 17 unbeaten in the league: on this theory we would go 23 games unbeaten at the Carlisle game

2. Play off games count as league games and we lost the game v Huddersfield: thus we are currently on 15 unbeaten and we would beat the record at the Crawley game:

3. Play off games count as league game and the Huddersfield game is classified as a draw: that means we are 20 unbeaten and would beat the record at the Stevanage game on 17th Nov.

As they say, you pays your money, but I think it is the common convention not to classify play off games as league games, and so no.1. would probably be the official record.
 
So in actual fact, were miles off the record then. Can we go back to talking about how shite we are and how McCabe has ripped the soul out of the club instead for a few more weeks.
 
SwissBlade said:
So in actual fact, were miles off the record then. Can we go back to talking about how shite we are and how McCabe has ripped the soul out of the club instead for a few more weeks.
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Ah, but that's league games. In all compeitions, we are either on 23 or 17.....

In any event, I think we can all agree that one defeat in 90 minutes in the last 33 comeptitive games is pretty good going.
 
Darren said:
Ah, but that's league games. In all compeitions, we are either on 23 or 17.....

In any event, I think we can all agree that one defeat in 90 minutes in the last 33 comeptitive games is pretty good going.
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No it's, as I've said for ages games undefeated....

Great, but it hasn't got us anything yet...
 
Darren said:
On your theory, we are 15 league games undefeated and 17 games in al competitons undefeated.
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I have been saying that for a long time... An undefeated run which starts from the game after the last defeat.

The odd ball statisticians may only count it at the 90 minute mark but there were people that lost their jobs at the lane, lost lucrative contracts (deserved or not) and of course we had to adjust our wage structure becauss of a defest that you deny so it really baffles me

Look how happy these lot are to be only counting the games undefeated in 90 minutes

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SwissBlade said:
I have been saying that for a long time... An undefeated run which starts from the game after the last defeat.

The odd ball statisticians may only count it at the 90 minute mark but there were people that lost their jobs at the lane, lost lucrative contracts (deserved or not) and of course we had to adjust our wage structure becauss of a defest that you deny so it really baffles me

Look how happy these lot are to be only counting the games undefeated in 90 minutes

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A couple of scenaris for you:

1. Say we had lost 2-0 at Stevenage in the play off first leg and then won the second leg 1-0. Cue lots of pics of United players looking devastated, people losing their jobs etc. Would that 1-0 "win" count towards any subsequent unbeaten record or would that count as a defeat?

2. On the opposite scenario. Say we had lost the first leg 0-1 and then won the second leg 2-0 and then won the final. Would that be 3 games to count towards an unbeaten run?
 



Darren said:
A couple of scenaris for you:

1. Say we had lost 2-0 at Stevenage in the play off first leg and then won the second leg 1-0. Cue lots of pics of United players looking devastated, people losing their jobs etc. Would that 1-0 "win" count towards any subsequent unbeaten record or would that count as a defeat?

2. On the opposite scenario. Say we had lost the first leg 0-1 and then won the second leg 2-0 and then won the final. Would that be 3 games to count towards an unbeaten run?
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It's games undefeated, not games undefeated on aggregate. But if you wanted to count it from the first game after an aggregate defeat it would be more realistic than ignoring games where we lost
 
SwissBlade said:
It's games undefeated, not games undefeated on aggregate. But if you wanted to count it from the first game after an aggregate defeat it would be more realistic than ignoring games where we lost
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So if a win in the second leg two legged game (whilst being defeated on aggregate) counts towards an unbeaten run tit must follow that the consequences of a particular outcome of a game (which is the main point of your argument) is irrelevant when deciding whether or not that game constitutes part of an unbeaten run.
 
Darren said:
So if a win in the second leg two legged game (whilst being defeated on aggregate) counts towards an unbeaten run tit must follow that the consequences of a particular outcome of a game (which is the main point of your argument) is irrelevant when deciding whether or not that game constitutes part of an unbeaten run.
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Like I said, I would assume undefeated games to be just that, the result of the game... But I wouldn't have an issue in starting the run from the next game to save argument. I suppose the consequence of a game scenario would keep it cleaner.

All I'm saying is that if we're going to claim an unbeaten run, let's not discount the games where we lost. So if that means including multi legged games with aggregate scores then that's fine with me.
 
SwissBlade said:
Like I said, I would assume undefeated games to be just that, the result of the game... But I wouldn't have an issue in starting the run from the next game to save argument. I suppose the consequence of a game scenario would keep it cleaner.

All I'm saying is that if we're going to claim an unbeaten run, let's not discount the games where we lost. So if that means including multi legged games with aggregate scores then that's fine with me.
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Your argument is actually based on a "game" being defined as including a penalty shoot out. The convention in football statistics is to exclude penalty shoot outs from the definition of a "game". If you don't you have to define "goals" scored in a penalty shoot out as goals in the game and we would have the strange record of having scored 7 goals in a play off final and still lost (and of course, many people have said many times on here that we have been in 4 play off finals and not scored a goal - presumably your response to that is "no, we have scored 7"!)
 
Darren said:
Your argument is actually based on a "game" being defined as including a penalty shoot out. The convention in football statistics is to exclude penalty shoot outs from the definition of a "game". If you don't you have to define "goals" scored in a penalty shoot out as goals in the game and we would have the strange record of having scored 7 goals in a play off final and still lost (and of course, many people have said many times on here that we have been in 4 play off finals and not scored a goal - presumably your response to that is "no, we have scored 7"!)
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Yes exactly. What's strange about counting the number of goals scored. Otherwise, do penalties scored in a game not count.... In fact dot answer that one.

I love how you justify it with "the convention in football statistics..." As if that should be the only way that we are allowed to think... Instead of perhaps that the convention is wrong.

I've never come across this madness before :)
 
SwissBlade said:
Yes exactly. What's strange about counting the number of goals scored. Otherwise, do penalties scored in a game not count.... In fact dot answer that one.

I love how you justify it with "the convention in football statistics..." As if that should be the only way that we are allowed to think... Instead of perhaps that the convention is wrong.

I've never come across this madness before :)
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You can think anyway you like, I'm just telling you what the accepted convention is amongst the sad people who concern themselves with these things.

And not just those people. Everyone (apart from you apparently) accepts that the penalty shoot out does not form part of the game. Why was the play off final scored reported as "Huddersfield 0 Sheffield United o: Huddersfiled win 8-7 on penalties" rather than "Huddersfield 8 Sheffield United 7" unless the penalty shoot out is seen as something that takes place outside the game?
 
Darren said:
You can think anyway you like, I'm just telling you what the accepted convention is amongst the sad people who concern themselves with these things.

And not just those people. Everyone (apart from you apparently) accepts that the penalty shoot out does not form part of the game. Why was the play off final scored reported as "Huddersfield 0 Sheffield United o: Huddersfiled win 8-7 on penalties" rather than "Huddersfield 8 Sheffield United 7" unless the penalty shoot out is seen as something that takes place outside the game?
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Since its so difficult to agree why not start counting from Tuesday?
 
SwissBlade said:
Yes exactly. What's strange about counting the number of goals scored. Otherwise, do penalties scored in a game not count.... In fact dot answer that one.

I love how you justify it with "the convention in football statistics..." As if that should be the only way that we are allowed to think... Instead of perhaps that the convention is wrong.

I've never come across this madness before :)
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Do you think goals scored in penalty shoot outs should count towards the "Golden Boot" award?
 
Darren said:
Everyone (apart from you apparently) accepts that the penalty shoot out does not form part of the game. Why was the play off final scored reported as "Huddersfield 0 Sheffield United o: Huddersfiled win 8-7 on penalties" rather than "Huddersfield 8 Sheffield United 7" unless the penalty shoot out is seen as something that takes place outside the game?
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Really? People look at the result, i.e who won, who lost
 
Sothall_Blade said:
Do you think goals scored in penalty shoot outs should count towards the "Golden Boot" award?
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Not fussed to be honest. Getting back to the point, I'm bothered about the result of a game being included in a so called unbeaten record
 
Why are you bothered if you take no notice of what the official statistics say?
How many league goals do you think we scored last season? 92, 93 or 100?
 
Darren said:
You can think anyway you like, I'm just telling you what the accepted convention is amongst the sad people who concern themselves with these things.

And not just those people. Everyone (apart from you apparently) accepts that the penalty shoot out does not form part of the game. Why was the play off final scored reported as "Huddersfield 0 Sheffield United o: Huddersfiled win 8-7 on penalties" rather than "Huddersfield 8 Sheffield United 7" unless the penalty shoot out is seen as something that takes place outside the game?
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so if the penalty shoot out takes place outside the game
the result is 0-0
 



Darren said:
Ah, but that's league games. In all compeitions, we are either on 23 or 17.....

In any event, I think we can all agree that one defeat in 90 minutes in the last 33 comeptitive games is pretty good going.
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And I don't think any other club could have that sort of record and still fail to get promoted!
 
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