JRS

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I doubt we’ve any hope of securing him regardless of what we’d offer. He’s still raw and needs another season at this level IMHO but he’ll play at a higher level than us for most of his career I’d wager.
 
Oh, I don’t think he’s worth £10m.
Not unless you’re a PL team buying up promising youngsters who may deliver you a return on investment.
 
DronnieBlade said:
He was, bluntly, a big bloody disappointment.

Wasn’t he ?

I could be wrong, and he could push on, but I’m not seeing anything other than a decent L1 / Average Championship level baller there.

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You are wrong.

His numbers stacked up favourably compared to both his team mates and his opposition players.

Hes a young player who was stepping up to a level where he’d not played many games. Inconsistencies are to be expected.

He played a good chunk of his games ahead of Gilchrist who while being steady eddy got a nose bleed every time he passed the half way line which meant, especially at home he got doubled up on consistently meaning he often had to turn backwards.

Many times he was sprinting away after cooper caught corners and they’d obviously been instructed by the management team to play it safe as more often than not the ball got rolled out to Anel or Robinson safely despite the Plymouth fans raving about Coopers cannon of a throw.

We played such slow and painful football at times he barely got any service to put him in behind the back line or in a decent 1v1 position. He usually received the ball after we’d played 17 passes around the back and allowed the opposition to assemble two banks of 5 players which was usually high on impossible to breach

He had a hot streak around Christmas and looked unplayable at times. He then got an injury which he didn’t seem to full shake off but it also coincided with Wilder being intent on playing Brereton Diaz down the right no matter what despite him looking absolutely awful off the right.

Given the circumstances JRS really wasn’t a disappointment at all.
 
brownblade said:
Can't compare him to Salah, that's a bit unfair. But yes he's got work to do to be a Prem winger.

I'd have him back for £10m as BladesinLeeds said above. Ideally £5m though 😄
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Yep - obviously not comparing him to Salah… just that he’s the best possible example that however talented you are you still have to work incredibly hard to become a top player in the modern game. JRS often seemed to be waiting for things to happen rather than making them happen.
£5m would still be a gamble for me … but there’s definitely huge potential in there 👍
 
ben1987 said:
You are wrong.

His numbers stacked up favourably compared to both his team mates and his opposition players.

Hes a young player who was stepping up to a level where he’d not played many games. Inconsistencies are to be expected.

He played a good chunk of his games ahead of Gilchrist who while being steady eddy got a nose bleed every time he passed the half way line which meant, especially at home he got doubled up on consistently meaning he often had to turn backwards.

Many times he was sprinting away after cooper caught corners and they’d obviously been instructed by the management team to play it safe as more often than not the ball got rolled out to Anel or Robinson safely despite the Plymouth fans raving about Coopers cannon of a throw.

We played such slow and painful football at times he barely got any service to put him in behind the back line or in a decent 1v1 position. He usually received the ball after we’d played 17 passes around the back and allowed the opposition to assemble two banks of 5 players which was usually high on impossible to breach

He had a hot streak around Christmas and looked unplayable at times. He then got an injury which he didn’t seem to full shake off but it also coincided with Wilder being intent on playing Brereton Diaz down the right no matter what despite him looking absolutely awful off the right.

Given the circumstances JRS really wasn’t a disappointment at all.
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Good points and well made.

But I do think that it’s telling that Wilder significantly reduced his minutes in the 2nd half of the season, favouring Brookes / BBD and even Brewster instead.

I believe that speaks volumes. Unless of course Wilder was emphatically wrong as well. Maybe !!

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DronnieBlade said:
Good points and well made.

But I do think that it’s telling that Wilder significantly reduced his minutes in the 2nd half of the season, favouring Brookes / BBD and even Brewster instead.

I believe that speaks volumes. Unless of course Wilder was emphatically wrong as well. Maybe !!

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I personally think a lot of that was down to wilder not knowing his best 11. Signing BBD when we didn’t really have an obvious gap / need for him and then shoehorning him in anyway. He’d played the majority of his career as a left forward. Doing well there. Wilder could only figure out a team using Hamer there. No way he was going to miss minutes while available.

That and the niggle that JRS seemed to be carrying
 
mattbianco1 said:
I'm not sure he was at all.

7 goals and 2 assists despite our style of play not suiting him/playing to his strengths.

His minutes on the pitch were 1,732. Equivalent to 19 full games.
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Then you are one up on me as having watched all of those 1732 mins, I wouldn’t have a scooby what his strengths actually are ?

I can however provide a list as long as my Johnson of significant improvements required in order to fulfil the modern wide player function.

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DronnieBlade said:
Then you are one up on me as having watched all of those 1732 mins, I wouldn’t have a scooby what his strengths actually are ?

I can however provide a list as long as my Johnson of significant improvements required in order to fulfil the modern wide player function.

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It’s a short list then eh?
 

DronnieBlade said:
Then you are one up on me as having watched all of those 1732 mins, I wouldn’t have a scooby what his strengths actually are ?

I can however provide a list as long as my Johnson of significant improvements required in order to fulfil the modern wide player function.

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To spin it another way...

He played less minutes than Kieffer Moore and scored more goals.

JRS was third scorer behind Campbell and Hamer.
 
GymClassHero said:
Good player on his day, too inconsistent.

No from me
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I didn't see anything to suggest he'll be a top level player. Everytime he had a player to take on he ran straight at them and lost the ball. It's almost as if he didn't see them. One of the least intelligent footballers I've seen football wise in a red and white shirt. He also often held onto the ball too long when players were crying out for an early release. Over rated player for me, despite the goals and assists.
 
Odd season really. Started off alternating with Brooks, then after scoring a couple of goals seemed to be first choice. Then got injured and fell behind BBD (and latterly Brooks) in the pecking order, despite BBD offering very little down the right.
Should have been at least on the bench for the play-off final.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
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I didn't see anything to suggest he'll be a top level player. Everytime he had a player to take on he ran straight at them and lost the ball. It's almost as if he didn't see them. One of the least intelligent footballers I've seen football wise in a red and white shirt. He also often held onto the ball too long when players were crying out for an early release. Over rated player for me, despite the goals and assists.
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Totally agree with this, although still learning and it appeared that he never really knew what his role was.
 
Without Hamer on the pitch he was the only player in the team who could create his own shot regularly

That is probably the most expensive skill in football. Brooks can do it occasionally, Campbell too but as it stands, it's Hamer, Brooks, Campbell or a complicated passing move.

JRS is going to be a very good, if frustrating player for someone
 
WayneAllison said:
I’d have him back on a loan all day every day

One of the many players wilder mis managed

Levels above Andre “running down a blind alley” brooks
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Fully agree, some fans just don't get it. creaming their pants over Hamer and Campbell who only scored 3 more goals including from dead ball situations. he was our third highest scorer caused loads of problems for opposing defences and I agree was mis managed should definately have started in the play off wilder tried to play it safe and fucked up.
 
Moose Splitter said:
Fully agree, some fans just don't get it. creaming their pants over Hamer and Campbell who only scored 3 more goals including from dead ball situations. he was our third highest scorer caused loads of problems for opposing defences and I agree was mis managed should definately have started in the play off wilder tried to play it safe and fucked up.
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Looked disinterested and lazy to me
One trick pony who constantly tried to cut back on to his shooting foot and rarely even considered passing or crossing

Timid and positionally naive was given more than enough chances but got worse until in the end wasn't even considered for our biggest game of the season as he couldn't be trusted
 
IMO he was decent at pretty much everything but not exceptionally good at anything. Can see him as a top end championship player but isn’t premier league quality.

I’d take him back for a promotion push.
 
I thought JRS was probably our most technically gifted player last season, its his work ethic that lets him down and the reason many of our supporters never took to him
 
He was too inconsistent last year, but that may also because we didn't play to our strengths. The thing about a loan player is, you aren't invested in them, so if they aren't consistently impacting the game you are not incentivized to push through a dip in form with the long term in mind. I think he has the potential to be a really good player, but would be probably be one to buy rather than loan to develop him. With that said - no way I'd pay 10m for him. Half that would be high. Looked like a player stepping up from League one last year with flashes/games where he show'd what he can do, so he should probably be priced that way.
 
Moose Splitter said:
Fully agree, some fans just don't get it. creaming their pants over Hamer and Campbell who only scored 3 more goals including from dead ball situations. he was our third highest scorer caused loads of problems for opposing defences and I agree was mis managed should definately have started in the play off wilder tried to play it safe and fucked up.
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I think it was a mxture of injuries and wilder mis-using him

I think wilder saw him as a luxury player or whatever that means

When JRS was fit he was very good

The whole playing BBD out of position in JRS Right wing spot was beyond ridiculous and completely ruined BBD who was again massively wasted out of positiomn

I would have BBD back all day every day also hed be our best striker and best wide left player
 

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