JRS

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

People might be shocked to see how good JRS's defensive stats are relative to the rest of the division's attacking wingers.

Claims that he doesn't track back look a little wide of the mark when he's won more tackles than any other attacking winger in the league in the defensive third....

6 goals and 2 assists with 12 games remaining isn't too shabby either. I wouldn't be surprised if his G/A attacking contribution compares favourably to McAtee's by the end of the season, yet people seem to have a big problem with JRS... I can guess what the difference is. Part of it is body language and personality and perhaps he's a bit less relatable to our average fan....?


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McAtee is playing regularly for Man City. Maybe it's just that JRS is obviously not as good at football?

 

[MayorOJC]

People might be shocked to see how good JRS's defensive stats are relative to the rest of the division's attacking wingers.

Claims that he doesn't track back look a little wide of the mark when he's won more tackles than any other attacking winger in the league in the defensive third....

6 goals and 2 assists with 12 games remaining isn't too shabby either. I wouldn't be surprised if his G/A attacking contribution compares favourably to McAtee's by the end of the season, yet people seem to have a big problem with JRS... I can guess what the difference is. Part of it is body language and personality and perhaps he's a bit less relatable to our average fan....?


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JRS is quality and under-appreciated. Will be a prem player for years to come.

 

[Blade56]

He’s morphing into JCR (Jamel Campbell-Rice) beats his man then waits for him so he can try and beat hIm again, and again, and again, and again, and again

 

[BrisBlade]

People might be shocked to see how good JRS's defensive stats are relative to the rest of the division's attacking wingers.

Claims that he doesn't track back look a little wide of the mark when he's won more tackles than any other attacking winger in the league in the defensive third....

6 goals and 2 assists with 12 games remaining isn't too shabby either. I wouldn't be surprised if his G/A attacking contribution compares favourably to McAtee's by the end of the season, yet people seem to have a big problem with JRS... I can guess what the difference is. Part of it is body language and personality and perhaps he's a bit less relatable to our average fan....?


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Thanks for sharing. These stats have blown me away. I've always rated him going forward - both with the ball and popping up in good positions to score goals. Like many though, I find myself frustrated with him for not tracking back, helping his fullback, and putting in a tackle. I guess we don't notice when people do what we expect but do pick up the few times a game when he doesn't. I'll admit that I must have underestimated his defensive contribution.

 

[BrisBlade]

Oh, and one more thing (to quote the great Colombo), I think he slows up the game because we're playing him inverted. This means he's mainly looking to cut in rather than fly down the outside and put in a cross. It's something I would like to see us mixing up a bit more in games.

 

[Jan Age]

You can’t say he’s crap because he doesn’t want to tackle only to change the goal posts when you hear he made more tackles than our main defensive midfielder who was absolutely exceptional on the night.

JRS wasn’t the issue down the right for us Monday. Clarke continually got skinned by Solomon all night. Gave him way too much space and often wound up in a 2v1 with Firpo against JRS while Clarke was 10 yards away wondering wtf just happened.

I would love to know what people actually expected from a young and inexperienced winger on loan. He’d got a handful of appearances for palace and a loan at Charlton. Half our fan base slagged James mcatee off for 2/3rds of a season.

He’s up there with our best and more experienced players in terms of numbers and goal contributions despite missing a fair bit of football due to injury and Wilder subbing him off around 55/60 minutes. He’d was taken off Monday night just after beating his man 2/3 times in quick succession. Looked like he’d easily got another 10 mins in him at that point. He’s competitive in terms of his numbers versus the whole division and right up there against people in his age group.

What winger in world football tracks back and defends like a maniac and then has his fullback on toast all game long skinning him time after time. No one. Every winger apart from the worlds elite is somewhat inconsistent and the vast vast majority of them are weak defensively.

He’s been consistently doubled up on when playing with Gilchrist who was out of position and getting a nose bleed eveytime he crossed half way. Most teams sit back against us double up on JRS and try to stifle our attack. Unless he’s prime Messi he can’t continually skin two players eveytime.

People say Brooks is better. How? JRS has better numbers. Brooks has either looked unplayable at times or had full games where he’s been truly awful where the ball just bounces off him and he can’t pick a pass. Wilder openly said Brooks needs to do more in training to get more minutes so clearly isn’t putting the graft in but for whatever reason he seems to be able to do no wrong. Is it because he’s our academy prospect or just because he’s not JRS. Brooks was a little unlucky to lose his place at the start of the season but barring a couple of decent performances hasn’t done enough to win the shirt back. He’s been far more inconsistent than JRS literal full ends of the spectrum inconsistent.

He doesn’t work hard enough in defensive situations and he hadn’t all season.

Every top team has players out wide who get back and help out.

He’s not the worst player ever but he’s not for me which is what I’ve said.

Your entities to you opinion and I mine.

PS: if you need to write that much to prove a point probably best over a pint

 

[jono_t2000]

To me he's always looked most dangerous centrally.

 

[Aston max]

To me he's always looked most dangerous centrally.

Trouble is I get the feeling wilder doesn't allow the attacking 3 to interchange,

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Got to be honest, based on what I’ve seen of him this season (which admittedly hasn’t been a great deal - I don’t get to see United as regularly as I’d like), I really don’t rate him. Out of possession, he offers so little he might as well not be on the pitch. Having him in the side really exposes our right back & leaves us vulnerable.

Going forward, unless he’s getting support from the right back he leaves so horrifically exposed, nothing happens… that’s if we can even get him on the ball in the first place. He rarely offers himself as an outlet for the midfielder / defender in possession, and other than being a useful option on the counter, I don’t think I’ve seen him actually create anything for us.

He has moments of brilliance for sure, but for me they’re way too infrequent to justify having him in the side. I suspect we’re probably not playing to his strengths - there’s a reason Palace picked him up at the end of the day - but I won’t be upset when he goes back at the end of the season.

 

[FINUK]

Left Clarke exposed time and time again not following runners against Leeds .
Just seems a daydreamer

 

[Bladezz]

JRS is quality and under-appreciated. Will be a prem player for years to come.

Agree with this. But he needs improvement to his game. He needs a join a club like us on a perm and get game time and turn into the players everyone believes he is.

 

[Thrice]

He does come across a bit lackadaisical. No intensity in his game whatsoever. That's probably one reason for his inconsistency. Not sure if that's something you can work on as a coach. Just seems to be his nature.

That said, with the ball at his feet he's probably the most talented player in the squad.

 

[Racing Blade]

It's a modern day requirement, especially in the PL, for attacking players to be able to press with high intensity.

Gone are the days when a David Ginola or Matt Le Tissier might be forgiven an overall lack of work rate because of what they were capable of with the ball at their feet.

I think it's an area JRS is working on and I've seen O'Hare prompting him a few times, to ensure they press as one. Granted though, he will need to continue to improve this area of his game if he's to fulfill his potential.

 

[Pintor75]

It's a modern day requirement, especially in the PL, for attacking players to be able to press with high intensity.

Gone are the days when a David Ginola or Matt Le Tissier might be forgiven an overall lack of work rate because of what they were capable of with the ball at their feet.

I think it's an area JRS is working on and I've seen O'Hare prompting him a few times, to ensure they press as one. Granted though, he will need to continue to improve this area of his game if he's to fulfill his potential

He's light years away from Matt Le Tissier

 

[CaptainMorgans]

People might be shocked to see how good JRS's defensive stats are relative to the rest of the division's attacking wingers.

Claims that he doesn't track back look a little wide of the mark when he's won more tackles than any other attacking winger in the league in the defensive third....

6 goals and 2 assists with 12 games remaining isn't too shabby either. I wouldn't be surprised if his G/A attacking contribution compares favourably to McAtee's by the end of the season, yet people seem to have a big problem with JRS... I can guess what the difference is. Part of it is body language and personality and perhaps he's a bit less relatable to our average fan....?


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He doesn’t work hard enough in defensive situations and he hadn’t all season.

Every top team has players out wide who get back and help out.

He’s not the worst player ever but he’s not for me which is what I’ve said.

Your entities to you opinion and I mine.

PS: if you need to write that much to prove a point probably best over a pint

Got to be honest, based on what I’ve seen of him this season (which admittedly hasn’t been a great deal - I don’t get to see United as regularly as I’d like), I really don’t rate him. Out of possession, he offers so little he might as well not be on the pitch. Having him in the side really exposes our right back & leaves us vulnerable.

Going forward, unless he’s getting support from the right back he leaves so horrifically exposed, nothing happens… that’s if we can even get him on the ball in the first place. He rarely offers himself as an outlet for the midfielder / defender in possession, and other than being a useful option on the counter, I don’t think I’ve seen him actually create anything for us.

He has moments of brilliance for sure, but for me they’re way too infrequent to justify having him in the side. I suspect we’re probably not playing to his strengths - there’s a reason Palace picked him up at the end of the day - but I won’t be upset when he goes back at the end of the season.

Left Clarke exposed time and time again not following runners against Leeds .
Just seems a daydreamer

Refer to his defensive stats in the first quote

 

[Jan Age]

Refer to his defensive stats in the first quote

No thanks I’ve seen enough of him in the situations where he’s jogging/ sauntering back while the other team break away … he’s not for me and that’s my choice

 

[CaptainMorgans]

No thanks I’ve seen enough of him in the situations where he’s jogging/ sauntering back while the other team break away … he’s not for me and that’s my choice

So the stats are just wrong then...?

 

[FriethBlade]

So the stats are just wrong then...?

The same stats that said Tom Cannon was the second most prolific striker in the league when we signed him?

What if he's made the most tackles but also missed the most tackles as he's not in the right position as he's jogging back whilst our right back is trying to defend 2 players? There's a quote 'there's 3 kind of lies, lies, damned lies and statistics ' and its spot on. Anyone who thinks RS is one of the best defensive wide men in the league is having a giraffe!

Oh and if he was hed be in the side every single game as hes clearly very good going forward. As others have said on here until he develops his off the ball side of the game he won't play in the PL. However in reality this shouldnt be too difficult. He's got the physical attributes so it's all about mindset and work rate.

 

[Jan Age]

So the stats are just wrong then...?

Stats tell one story mate … usually half of it … like you could make three meaningless tackles and then the one time you need to bust a gut to get back as it’s really dangerous you don’t … come on you must have played and watched football enough to know what I mean.. it’s glaringly obvious with him… the coaching staff are constantly shouting him from the technical area … the players in the pitch are too

 

[TankersleyBlade]

For those commenting on him not tracking back against Leeds, JRS wasn’t the issue, Leeds created an overload repeatedly throughout the first half (especially approaching half time) with Gruev (number 44) coming wide left from central areas. Clarke and JRS had three players to mark. For whatever reason Peck chose to stay central and often had no Leeds players near him in the first half. I couldn’t believe that we didn’t do anything to combat this.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

The same stats that said Tom Cannon was the second most prolific striker in the league when we signed him?

What if he's made the most tackles but also missed the most tackles as he's not in the right position as he's jogging back whilst our right back is trying to defend 2 players? There's a quote 'there's 3 kind of lies, lies, damned lies and statistics ' and its spot on. Anyone who thinks RS is one of the best defensive wide men in the league is having a giraffe!

Oh and if he was hed be in the side every single game as hes clearly very good going forward. As others have said on here until he develops his off the ball side of the game he won't play in the PL. However in reality this shouldnt be too difficult. He's got the physical attributes so it's all about mindset and work rate.

The he'd be in the team every game if he was good defensively point is a convincing one. As we know, defending is the main thing our attacking players are in the team to do

My view on JRS defensively is that he's actually good at getting a foot in and making interceptions when he's there, but all too often he isn't there