Outgoing? John Lunsdtram

[bertieblade]

Doubt very much we would get more than £500k for him in January, why would we unless his already lined up club are desperate. They will get him for nothing in six months

 

[ancientblade]

Doubt very much we would get more than £500k for him in January, why would we unless his already lined up club are desperate. They will get him for nothing in six months

we would get 2m at least for him imo and that would pay lingards salary for rest of season although if im honest this season has gone for me and i would leave it while summer for any signings ready for a championship campaign

 

[bertieblade]

^ his contract is due to expire. We would hardly get £2m for him if he had a long contract

 

[FMBlade1]

we would get 2m at least for him imo and that would pay lingards salary for rest of season although if im honest this season has gone for me and i would leave it while summer for any signings ready for a championship campaign

I would normally agree with that but we could go down with single digits which could be even more damaging than the money we'd lose in January transfers.

 

[blade67]

I'd be very interested to learn which four Prem clubs feel he could improve their midfield. I'd guess Burnley, Newcastle, West Brom and Southampton.

If he feels he can earn more and play more (especially as a DCM where he looks far more comfortable than RCM) elsewhere and wants to go then he leaves with everyone's best wishes.

I certainly think he's replaceable at RCM - my only concern is replacing his goals.

When did you think he played well as a DCM?

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Why are some so keen for Lundstram to leave in Jan? Utd will receive very little in terms of funds, he'd leave Utd's already depleted midfield ranks even shorter on numbers and he is easily the biggest goal-threat Utd have from midfield. It's not as if selling him will release funds to re-invest

Don't get me wrong, I think he has his limitations as a player, especially playing RCM, but I don't see any other current squad member doing any better in that position.

Get what we can for him if its only 500k take it, save on his wages and use it towards a replacement.
Let's face it he's been poor every game he's played this season.
He doesn't want to sign a new contract, he is hardly pulling up any trees when he plays, if anything he is costing us with his sending off.
We have 2 loans available to bring in someone, plus any players on a sort term deal.

 

[Wards]

We’d only ever get a nominal fee plus whatever his wages are. It’s almost pointless to get rid but he’s been acting the cunt and wanting away all season. His sending off was plain stupid and was the straw that broke the camels back for me - we have an opportunity to refresh a little so it’s a thanks and goodbye. And yeah, if there were any takers I’d get shot of Fleck and Norwood too as it doesn’t look like they’ll find any form anytime soon.

 

[Mouth of the South]

When did you think he played well as a DCM?

He obviously hasn't started there for quite some time bit if you notice, he drifts inside whenever he gets chance. He always played centrally prior to joining Utd and to my eye, always looks far more natural and comfortable there, even though I think he's a yard short of pace to play there at Prem level and has always had a habit of trying too many Hollywood passes, which results in turning the ball over too often.

That said, I think he made a tremendous effort prior to the start of last season to get himself in better, leaner and more athletic condition to play RCM.

Berge joining and automatically taking his place in the side really appeared to take the wind out of his sails and he hasn't been the same player since. That, coupled with the contract wrangles, means his exit is inevitable. I'll be certain to keep a close eye on his progress post Utd. IMHO he's Champ level although his prospective move to Rangers would possibly suit him even more. I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I'd be surprised should he perform consistently at Prem level.

 

[Deadbat]

No team are paying a penny for him. Why would they? In 5 months they can sign him for nowt.

I fully expect him to go to Rangers in the summer. He'll not even stand out there and join Barton at Fleetwood within a season.

 

[Toronto Blade]

The way Lundstram is playing he wouldn't contribute much between now and the end of the season when he walks for free.
Sell him and use whatever money they can get for him if it goes towards some wages for a loan player all well and good.

 

[blade67]

He obviously hasn't started there for quite some time bit if you notice, he drifts inside whenever he gets chance. He always played centrally prior to joining Utd and to my eye, always looks far more natural and comfortable there, even though I think he's a yard short of pace to play there at Prem level and has always had a habit of trying too many Hollywood passes, which results in turning the ball over too often.

That said, I think he made a tremendous effort prior to the start of last season to get himself in better, leaner and more athletic condition to play RCM.

Berge joining and automatically taking his place in the side really appeared to take the wind out of his sails and he hasn't been the same player since. That, coupled with the contract wrangles, means his exit is inevitable. I'll be certain to keep a close eye on his progress post Utd. IMHO he's Champ level although his prospective move to Rangers would possibly suit him even more. I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I'd be surprised should he perform consistently at Prem level.

I always thought we looked laboured with him playing DCM in the Championship. His passing wasn't crisp enough and I was always relieved when he was dropped for Duffy after a few games.

I think he had 3 or 4 very good months in the Prem at RCM and as you say has looked less effective the less he's played since Berge arrived.

It will be fascinating to see how he does though at his next club. Like you, I'll be gobsmacked if he becomes a prem regular anywhere else. Time will tell.

 

[ancientblade]

sander berge would look a very good player that played for a team that had 60 to 70% possesion but not the way weve played this season 65m on 3 players that just havent really done the business thats a lot of money for a club of uniteds stature

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I don't think comparisons of the 'need' to get rid of Fleck and Norwood too, need to be drawn. Fleck has shown years of commitment and form for this club, and in the grand scheme of things is in a 'brief' period out of form. Norwood has been a model pro for this club and we'll be hard pushed to find better, for better value, in January. Right now, we need all the bodies we can get.

In contrast, Lundstram has had one patch of decent form in all his time here and is showing little commitment to the club now, and very little effectiveness since his brief stint as a fantasy football steal. His efforts are minimal to the efforts of this club, compared to Fleck and Norwood. The latter two, I would back to regain form for us.

 

[Tezza1889]

Wish he'd just do one, totally upset the apple cart and made it all about himself, the unrest this will have caused behind the scenes may have unsettled a few players. Because they'll know the big bucks they may have expected from a Premier league status can not be achieved at united with wilder in charge and a protective wage structure in place.

It's funny that the phone hasn't rang, I'm happy about that, one swallow doesn't make a summer John and it looks like you won't be pulling the wool over any Premier league managers eyes any time soon..

A mercinary footballer, tear it up Chris he's stinking the place out..

 

[blackydog]

He doesn't want to be here. If we can get some £ for him in Jan we could hopefully use it for a loan signing.

Is something he has never said.

 

[Kev Gee]

Is something he has never said.

He's had months to sign his new deal.
So that means he doesn't want to be here.

 

[Mouth of the South]

Wish he'd just do one, totally upset the apple cart and made it all about himself, the unrest this will have caused behind the scenes may have unsettled a few players. Because they'll know the big bucks they may have expected from a Premier league status can not be achieved at united with wilder in charge and a protective wage structure in place.

It's funny that the phone hasn't rang, I'm happy about that, one swallow doesn't make a summer John and it looks like you won't be pulling the wool over any Premier league managers eyes any time soon..

A mercinary footballer, tear it up Chris he's stinking the place out..

All absolute claptrap - an unhealthy mix of uninformed opinion and conjecture from someone that obviously has no clue about what has gone on at the club or any part of contract law.

 

[blackydog]

He's had months to sign his new deal.
So that means he doesn't want to be here.

Strange logic. If he's not happy with the offered deal, why sign it?

 

[madeinsheffield]

He’s playing hardball wanting more money, Wilder has said in the past that good offers have been put on the table for various players.
There’s a chance he could find himself without a club at the end of the season if he’s chasing the big wage packet he thinks (along with his agent who gets a %) he’s worth after a decent but very short spell. High risk game to play in the current climate with lots of clubs on the edge

 

[LJBlade]

He’s playing hardball wanting more money, Wilder has said in the past that good offers have been put on the table for various players.
There’s a chance he could find himself without a club at the end of the season if he’s chasing the big wage packet he thinks (along with his agent who gets a %) he’s worth after a decent but very short spell. High risk game to play in the current climate with lots of clubs on the edge

Or he’s already been offered more money.

 

[Mouth of the South]

He’s playing hardball wanting more money, Wilder has said in the past that good offers have been put on the table for various players.
There’s a chance he could find himself without a club at the end of the season if he’s chasing the big wage packet he thinks (along with his agent who gets a %) he’s worth after a decent but very short spell. High risk game to play in the current climate with lots of clubs on the edge

I very much doubt he won't find a club - he'll always get offers as a free agent. They just may not be at the level he's seeking or even as much as Utd's latest offer. Tbh unless a side like Burnley think he's worthy signing to boost their numbers (possibly now less likely given their recent takeover), I think it more likely he'll go to a Champ club or even Rangers. Not many sides at that level will gazump Utd's offer and result in him being better off for rejecting Utd's offer/s and sticking with his current contract.

 

[madeinsheffield]

Or he’s already been offered more money.

We’ll find out tomorrow or he following 30 days if he has, I presume he’d sign a pre deal in Jan if so

 

[Kev Gee]

Strange logic. If he's not happy with the offered deal, why sign it?

Exactly. So therefor he doesn't want to be here. He wants to leave and get more £ elsewhere. There's no harm in that btw.

 

[Keen Blade]

I doubt anyone is going to pay a fee for Lunny as no one did in the summer.
And no one is going to match Fleck & Norwood's contracts on their present form.
Club has no leverage to move these players on in January.

 

[Yogi]

I doubt anyone is going to pay a fee for Lunny as no one did in the summer.
And no one is going to match Fleck & Norwood's contracts on their present form.
Club has no leverage to move these players on in January.

To be honest I wouldn’t look to move fleck or Norwood on anyway. Not based on performances but more just on depth with Berge our injured on Lundstram probably moving we’re stretched thin in midfield anyway. we’d need 2 in just to have us back up to reasonable numbers without moving on anyone else.

 

[BushBlade]

No team are paying a penny for him. Why would they? In 5 months they can sign him for nowt.

I fully expect him to go to Rangers in the summer. He'll not even stand out there and join Barton at Fleetwood within a season.

Two reasons. If a club wants him they think he’ll improve them. If it’s a PL club and signing him helps them finish three places up the table, it’s probably covered his fee.
Secondly, another more attractive club may want him, to cover for a player that picks up an injury that will keep them out at the start of next season, or to fill a place because someone moves on, or change the manager and the new bloke rates him. You could wait until the end of the season and find that all of a sudden Villa want him and they’re offering higher wages.

So it’s not impossible that a club would pay a couple of million to secure him now rather than risk waiting.

 

[Groucho Blade]

I don’t think Lundstram has had many good games for us. He’s had a few good moments in a few games; but good games?? Nah.

 

[Booker4]

My guess was originally it was about money/Lundstram not being on par with certain other players and the principle that he felt he was undervalued. He probably also thought he could get a move to a bigger club based on the form of last season. All of that has changed because of this season, not sure why another team didn't come in last summer to be honest, bit surprised as he did so well last season. Now his stock has fallen and it seems a move to Rangers is his best/only potential offer. There's no way back now it seems.

I noticed Gabby Agbonlahor's comments that the way we're playing any of our players would no doubt want to leave. Show's how little he knows about what Wilder's done because I would guess the players are desperate to stay and make this right, and only players not playing much might be tempted to go elsewhere, but that's the case frequently anyway, at any club.

 

[Deadbat]

Two reasons. If a club wants him they think he’ll improve them. If it’s a PL club and signing him helps them finish three places up the table, it’s probably covered his fee.
Secondly, another more attractive club may want him, to cover for a player that picks up an injury that will keep them out at the start of next season, or to fill a place because someone moves on, or change the manager and the new bloke rates him. You could wait until the end of the season and find that all of a sudden Villa want him and they’re offering higher wages.

So it’s not impossible that a club would pay a couple of million to secure him now rather than risk waiting.

No-one is paying 2 million for him now.

Not even sure we'd get 200 grand

 

[HeySethUTB]

If we are going the other way in terms of division, will he get a game next season here anyway? I can’t imagine wilder using a flat three in the championship if his task is to get us promoted.