CONFIRMED John Brayford - Contract Mutually Terminated

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Gretsch Blade said:
Beard played 45 min in the 2nd half.
Played well.
Some class touches, movement, passing. Solid in the air and in the tackle.
Looked match fit.
Could without doubt do a job for us.

Over to Tufty...
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Agreed, it was a shock to see him in the squad but I thought he looked very good in the back three and linked very well with Freeman and Brooks. He could be like a new signing if he wants to stay.
 
Well Wilder has got history of welcoming players back into the fold and we arent over run with defenders at present. What's to lose by keeping him if the only suitors are Burton who will need us to pay a big chunk of his wages anyway ?
 
BushBlade said:
He's under contract with us so, technically, no. A club would have to have a bid accepted. In the real world, as I've said, I'd be happy for him to go on a free to get him off the wage bill.
I'd consider loaning him to a lower league club and us paying part of his wages. What I wouldn't consider is loaning him to Burton or paying him off with a decent chunk of his outstanding contractual sum so he can leave to join Burton.
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Great post and that was exactly my point earlier in the thread but you've put it a lot better, thanks. :)

I'd obviously much rather keep him if his previous injury and wages aren't too much of a burden for us as you have quite rightly pointed out previously.
 
If he is here and playing well he should play, however he is in the last year of his contract, is being paid a wage which is not commensurate with the rest of the squad and subsequently it us in our financial,interest to move him on
 
Whatever anyone's thoughts on Brayford (and personally I think he could do a job for us) I tend to agree that it would be utter madness for us to subsidise him playing for a rival in this division. He only has a year left. Either he leaves without us part funding him (free transfer), loan him to league one or keep him
 
I'd expect him on the bench next week given no Baldock or another new CB. Can cover a few positions and last night demonstrated his fitness.
 
Makes total sense to keep him in the squad. He can cover a few positions & would be fine in a back 3. He's arguably better than others who are commanding ridiculous fees for their ability.

As others have said he could be like a new signing. UTB
 
bertieblade said:
If he is here and playing well he should play, however he is in the last year of his contract, is being paid a wage which is not commensurate with the rest of the squad and subsequently it us in our financial,interest to move him on
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There's our dilemma. If what I've been told is right, he stands to make towards £1M gross in this last year of contract. I'm sure we'd offer him on a free if he'd walk away without any extra pay off. However I imagine Burton would only be willing to pay half his current wages at most. A loan to anyone else, especially L1 won't contribute much to wages either.

Interesting that the Star reported we'd "grown tired" of pay offs to players (undoubtedly a ridiculous amount to Hammond).

I think we are stuck with him till January. However if his mind is right he'll be good squad cover despite Wilder being uncomfortable about him not being able to train fully these days.

A ridiculous knee jerk transfer 3 years ago has cost us a lot of money.
 
JJBlade said:
He is quality, and he's a player who's Championship qualities are in no doubt, unlike practically every other member of the squad

Can't believe some are dissing him after the injury he got which has hampered him
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I love terms like 'championship qualities'... don't get me wrong I like him and think he's good enough but actually his only championship 'qualities' are from playing in the championship 3 years ago and then playing for Relegation threatened Burton.

Are those championship qualities? I know what you're saying regarding most of our lot not having the experience but I see a lot of championship qualities in a lot of our players.

We don't just need people that have played there... we need players that are good enough to go on and compete at the top end.
 

B14Nco said:
I love terms like 'championship qualities'... don't get me wrong I like him and think he's good enough but actually his only championship 'qualities' are from playing in the championship 3 years ago and then playing for Relegation threatened Burton.

Are those championship qualities? I know what you're saying regarding most of our lot not having the experience but I see a lot of championship qualities in a lot of our players.

We don't just need people that have played there... we need players that are good enough to go on and compete at the top end.
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The point is that performance is relative. Why is being one of the best players in a
Poor side and keeping them up not a noteworthy performance? He was one of burtons top performers and they punched above their weight in not going down and he was instrumental in that.

He's a proven championship operator - I really don't see that there is much doubt about that.

And unless I'm mistaken his performances three years ago were enough to get him a move to the premier league.

If we can afford to keep him on the wages he's currently on is another matter.... I think he'd be worth keeping because i don't see many better options who can play at in a back 3 available. But if wilder gets rid the. Fair enough
 
Surely it's about picking our best 11 when considering the strengths of the opponent and then the subs from the squad to fit in around that.

Beard remains our player, therefore if fully fit, in form, wants the shirt, and he's playing well then the gaffer ought to give him shirt.

That's the straight forward part.... If there are ego's (I'm speculating), club politics or the fact sufc want to keep him injury free in order to sell him/remove him from the budget - we will never know... but we ll find out next week vs Brentford!
 
UnitedBlade said:
A ridiculous knee jerk transfer 3 years ago has cost us a lot of money.
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I see a lot of this... and although in hindsight yeah we can all agree it's maybe not worked out...

But actually... at the time... it's what EVERYONE wanted.

People seem to forget we actually went really close to a really successful season... if we hadnt signed him and some other club had come in and bought him can you imagine all the 'no ambition' 'where's all the money' posts?

It's turned out badly yes. Was it the wrong think to do at the time? I'm not convinced.
 
B14Nco said:
I see a lot of this... and although in hindsight yeah we can all agree it's maybe not worked out...

But actually... at the time... it's what EVERYONE wanted.

People seem to forget we actually went really close to a really successful season... if we hadnt signed him and some other club had come in and bought him can you imagine all the 'no ambition' 'where's all the money' posts?

It's turned out badly yes. Was it the wrong think to do at the time? I'm not convinced.
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Good player, wrong price.

For the most part fans don't see the financial side of any transfer so of course we were all happy.

He came on a huge fee and huge wages. It wasn't the right deal for us at the time. Wilder has shown us how to build a squad.
 
Bladeinleeds said:
The point is that performance is relative. Why is being one of the best players in a
Poor side and keeping them up not a noteworthy performance? He was one of burtons top performers and they punched above their weight in not going down and he was instrumental in that.

He's a proven championship operator - I really don't see that there is much doubt about that.

And unless I'm mistaken his performances three years ago were enough to get him a move to the premier league.

If we can afford to keep him on the wages he's currently on is another matter.... I think he'd be worth keeping because i don't see many better options who can play at in a back 3 available. But if wilder gets rid the. Fair enough
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Where in my post do I question Brayfords ability or being good enough? I actually thought saying 'I think he's good enough' might have covered that off...?

My point was regarding 'championship qualities' there are a lot of people that seem to think Just because players are/ have once played in the championship they're automatically better than what we have...

'His performances 3 years ago got him a move to the prem' is more my point... Hammond was playing in the Prem 3 years ago.
 
[QUOTE...... Wilder has shown us how to build a squad.[/QUOTE]

Agree, CW is building an excellent squad (best in a decade) that performed exceptionally in league one, have had a very decent pre season and ought to do okay in the championship.
That said, if he has a player in JB who is currently proven at the club and the league we re now entering, as good or better as anyone else in the squad why move him on, or not select him and seek others who may need time to settle?

I completely trust in CW by the way but this one area involving the Beard is an interest dilemma
 
UnitedBlade said:
Good player, wrong price.

For the most part fans don't see the financial side of any transfer so of course we were all happy.

He came on a huge fee and huge wages. It wasn't the right deal for us at the time. Wilder has shown us how to build a squad.
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Agree. But at the time... did anyone think it was a bad thing? Did it get us believing we were on the way back?... and to stress... yes I agree it's been bad for us... But at the time I still think it was everything you want your club to do. (But hopefully learn from an then do a little more sensibly).
 
Gretsch Blade said:
[QUOTE...... Wilder has shown us how to build a squad.
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Agree, CW is building an excellent squad (best in a decade) that performed exceptionally in league one, have had a very decent pre season and ought to do okay in the championship.
That said, if he has a player in JB who is currently proven at the club and the league we re now entering, as good or better as anyone else in the squad why move him on, or not select him and seek others who may need time to settle?

I completely trust in CW by the way but this one area involving the Beard is an interest dilemma[/QUOTE]
I think he will end up staying and hopefully will contribute when required. I just think Chris would prefer 1 or 2 other players if JB went that may contribute more to the squad and have some resale value.

But if we can't shift him, we can't shift him.
 
sheffielder said:
It saddens me that so many seem to be taking the side of Brayford over Wilder. Pure madness IMO.

If Brayford wants to play, he knows what he needs to do
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No ones taking sides
If it was down to footballing ability he'd be playing
It's because we can't afford a player on relatively low championship wages
 
Fanny magnet said:
No ones taking sides
If it was down to footballing ability he'd be playing
It's because we can't afford a player on relatively low championship wages
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Exactly.
If he was on a wage in line with the rest of the squad I doubt it would ever have been an issue. Wilder spoke very highly of him at the beginning of last season. It's been well documented that Wilder asked him to leave to free up additional money within his budget. To Brayfords credit he did just that but the goalposts have moved now and the situation is totally different. Once again I'm happy to go with Wilders view regardless of my opinion
 
B14Nco said:
I love terms like 'championship qualities'... don't get me wrong I like him and think he's good enough but actually his only championship 'qualities' are from playing in the championship 3 years ago and then playing for Relegation threatened Burton.

Are those championship qualities? I know what you're saying regarding most of our lot not having the experience but I see a lot of championship qualities in a lot of our players.

We don't just need people that have played there... we need players that are good enough to go on and compete at the top end.
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The injury is the problem but he did well for Derby in the Championship and got a big move to Cardiff

Got frozen out at Cardiff without doing anything wrong

Was a class above League One before his injury
Done well at Burton whilst recuperating

So I'd say he is proven at Championship level and I would like to keep him and give him a chance
 
JJBlade said:
The injury is the problem but he did well for Derby in the Championship and got a big move to Cardiff

Got frozen out at Cardiff without doing anything wrong

Was a class above League One before his injury
Done well at Burton whilst recuperating

So I'd say he is proven at Championship level and I would like to keep him and give him a chance
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As I remember it he wasn't frozen out at Cardiff. They wanted to keep him which is why we had to pay so much for him. UTB
 

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