JOC and Basham

[Slim Man]

First things first let me clear the air - I never used to be Basham's biggest fan at centre mid. That's no secret. He was clumsy, didn't have much on the ball talent, was always chasing the ball and positionally wasn't great. I thought at centre back in a 2 he was better but still not brilliant (apart from against Southampton). Then he went centre back as part of a Wilder 3 and he's been immense ever since. Probably undroppable as it stands.

He does the simple things well, as well as things like bringing the ball out of defence and picking the right pass. He's much better watching the game develop in front of him rather than in midfield. I have no doubt he'll step up.

But as good as he is, in JOC we have a £8mil centre half in waiting. What a player. There isn't really a weakness to his game. He's quick, he's strong, tall, aggressive in moderation, a good reader of the game and his left foot is better than Harry's right ever was and is. For me we're about to watch a premier league player develop in front of our very eyes. Brentford saw something originally to bring him in and let's be honest they don't get many wrong lately.

I think with the couple of negatives swaying around at the minute, fair as they might be, we have to balance it out. If these two get a proper leader in between them, be it Stearman, or if Jake Wright steps up AGAIN, or be it the other centre half we're after - the new keeper (looking likely) has nothing to worry about in front of him.

 

[Ricky]

Yep, really like these two. They'll make the step up no problem. They're perfect for the roles they play. They're a big strength of ours.

Agree that O'Connell's going to become a very good player indeed. We need to extend his contract.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Agree with that.

Was pretty impressed with Basham against Rotherham, one of our better performers.
Also O'Connell will easily make the step up.

My slight concern against Rotherham though was that we weren't convincing defending set pieces.
We lacked the commanding presence of EEL or Hanson.
Although it's early days and you can't judge too much based on a friendly.

 

[Slim Man]

Agree with that.

Was pretty impressed with Basham against Rotherham, one of our better performers.
Also O'Connell will easily make the step up.

My slight concern against Rotherham though was that we weren't convincing defending set pieces.
We lacked the commanding presence of EEL or Hanson.
Although it's early days and you can't judge too much based on a friendly.

But neither of them are good enough for the championship that's the issue. I would like a big fucker upfront who can play a bit too, despite his age Daryl Murphy would've been perfect but 2mil for a 34 year old is steep.

 

[RammyBlade]

First things first let me clear the air - I never used to be Basham's biggest fan at centre mid. That's no secret. He was clumsy, didn't have much on the ball talent, was always chasing the ball and positionally wasn't great. I thought at centre back in a 2 he was better but still not brilliant (apart from against Southampton). Then he went centre back as part of a Wilder 3 and he's been immense ever since. Probably undroppable as it stands.

He does the simple things well, as well as things like bringing the ball out of defence and picking the right pass. He's much better watching the game develop in front of him rather than in midfield. I have no doubt he'll step up.

But as good as he is, in JOC we have a £8mil centre half in waiting. What a player. There isn't really a weakness to his game. He's quick, he's strong, tall, aggressive in moderation, a good reader of the game and his left foot is better than Harry's right ever was and is. For me we're about to watch a premier league player develop in front of our very eyes. Brentford saw something originally to bring him in and let's be honest they don't get many wrong lately.

I think with the couple of negatives swaying around at the minute, fair as they might be, we have to balance it out. If these two get a proper leader in between them, be it Stearman, or if Jake Wright steps up AGAIN, or be it the other centre half we're after - the new keeper (looking likely) has nothing to worry about in front of him.

The only thing stopping JOC from being a £10m player is his shortage of pace - not a slouch by any means but noticed a couple of times against Rovrum that he was beaten for pace

 

[Stretch]

I am very relaxed about the defence we have but if we could get that lad from Blackburn then even better.

Don't forget Brayford either, if we can't shift him then we have another versatile defender at our disposal who has shown he can play in the Championship. Getting him happy and motivated in a Blades shirt could be a challenge though but I am sure Tufty can do that.

 

[Antonb]

I love JOC his passion and commitment on the pitch when he plays is fantastic to watch. But he ain't the full article yet. Can get done with ball over the top sometimes, and to feet, but that's football isn't it? Be boring otherwise. He certainly has all the attributes to maybe play in the premier league one day. Maybe a little slow, but isn't he faster than Maguire ? But Basham plays with the same intensity also to be fair

 

[Slim Man]

The only thing stopping JOC from being a £10m player is his shortage of pace - not a slouch by any means but noticed a couple of times against Rovrum that he was beaten for pace

I think he's quick. Him and Basham won't be beaten for pace that often, and his reading of the game will make up for it.

Rotherham did have Jon Taylor playing who is fast as fuck.

 

[FTPE]

The only thing stopping JOC from being a £10m player is his shortage of pace - not a slouch by any means but noticed a couple of times against Rovrum that he was beaten for pace

He's a brick shithouse, you don't often get both.

 

[Dec]

My slight concern against Rotherham though was that we weren't convincing defending set pieces.
We lacked the commanding presence of EEL or Hanson.
Although it's early days and you can't judge too much based on a friendly.

Did you see the size of some of their fuckers though? I don't think any team would've looked convincing defending set pieces...

 

[Slim Man]

Did you see the size of some of their fuckers though? I don't think any team would've looked convincing defending set pieces...

Fair point. Kieffer Moore and those two centre halfs are huge. David Ball is pretty big too.

 

[Dnblade]

First things first let me clear the air - I never used to be Basham's biggest fan at centre mid. That's no secret. He was clumsy, didn't have much on the ball talent, was always chasing the ball and positionally wasn't great. I thought at centre back in a 2 he was better but still not brilliant (apart from against Southampton). Then he went centre back as part of a Wilder 3 and he's been immense ever since. Probably undroppable as it stands.

He does the simple things well, as well as things like bringing the ball out of defence and picking the right pass. He's much better watching the game develop in front of him rather than in midfield. I have no doubt he'll step up.

But as good as he is, in JOC we have a £8mil centre half in waiting. What a player. There isn't really a weakness to his game. He's quick, he's strong, tall, aggressive in moderation, a good reader of the game and his left foot is better than Harry's right ever was and is. For me we're about to watch a premier league player develop in front of our very eyes. Brentford saw something originally to bring him in and let's be honest they don't get many wrong lately.

I think with the couple of negatives swaying around at the minute, fair as they might be, we have to balance it out. If these two get a proper leader in between them, be it Stearman, or if Jake Wright steps up AGAIN, or be it the other centre half we're after - the new keeper (looking likely) has nothing to worry about in front of him.

Thought the same on Bash ,never good enough in midfield for me...with the ball anyway...don't mind him at the back especially in a 3,and like to see him bring the ball out...He's got good pace at the back and is far better with the game in front of him like you say.
Love JOC...would like to see more of him when we have to change to a 2,but really rate him,great season for him last season,even looked good at Left Back when he had to switch there.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Probably undroppable as it stands.

No player is undroppable
Basham certainly isnt hes a decent CB but there are much better players out there

 

[Pinchy]

Do people not notice what's happening around them?

1. Stearman is an absolute certainty to start.
2. Jake Wright was recruited as cover in League One. He did amazingly well. He is not going to be first choice going forward.
3. Tufty is very keen on the Blackburn lad. If we get him, he'll be the right-sided centre-back. Bash will certainly not be 'undroppable'.

I do wish our more exuberant contributors would stop confusing what they want to happen with what will happen...

 

[coolhandluke]

Bashams Sunday league standard and any fucking idiot that's happy to see him in our side in any position would be happy to see us in the Meadowhall League .

 

[Antonb]

Bashams Sunday league standard and any fucking idiot that's happy to see him in our side in any position would be happy to see us in the Meadowhall League .

I'm afraid you no nothing about football then. There are many different playing levels of football, Basham aint sunday league.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Defence has been wobbly this pre-season and Wilder mentioned it again after the Rotherham game.

Wright plenty good enough IMO. Yet to be convinced by Stearman, can't remember a strong Woves defence.

Basham, Wright and O'Connell good enough and so presumably must be Stearman instead of Wright. Still need a.n.other at least as cover. Brayford woud do.

 

[itsinyerblood]

You no nuffin', for those in the no you no about as much as a no-fuffin' no-all, no, no, no, that's the extent of what you fink you no...comin' on here trying to convince us that you no summat, get back to nite-class and listen until you no what you're talkin' about!

There are no-ers and then there are no-monkeys who just want a bit of celebrity...let's 'av less of it Mr no-nuffin'!

 

[Slim Man]

Do people not notice what's happening around them?

1. Stearman is an absolute certainty to start.
2. Jake Wright was recruited as cover in League One. He did amazingly well. He is not going to be first choice going forward.
3. Tufty is very keen on the Blackburn lad. If we get him, he'll be the right-sided centre-back. Bash will certainly not be 'undroppable'.

I do wish our more exuberant contributors would stop confusing what they want to happen with what will happen...

Basham and O'Connell are better than Stearman.

 

[Dec]

Bashams Sunday league standard and any fucking idiot that's happy to see him in our side in any position would be happy to see us in the Meadowhall League .

Actually can't tell if this is sarcasm or you're incredibly stupid.

 

[Slim Man]

No player is undroppable
Basham certainly isnt hes a decent CB but there are much better players out there

Not at the club. Hence why he's as undroppable as JOC right now

 

[Sheffsteel]

I'm afraid you no nothing about football then. There are many different playing levels of football, Basham aint sunday league.

Now that EEL's gone Basham is probably the player the least comfortable on the ball
But like Nick Montgomery of old, he pretty consistent, honest, does a job and does it well.

Some of our fans have recently turned into football snobs, although CHL does have a point (although exaggerated it).
The Basham type of player has been the norm for Sheffield United over the years.
It's only because we now have several players with class and quality that it makes Basham look non league in comparison to some of our other players.

Basham deserves his chance next season, he's Mr Reliable and Mr Versatile,
Most managers love that kind of player, where as most fans don't appreciate that kind of player.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Not at the club. Hence why he's as undroppable as JOC right now

No player is undroppable dont you get that
We have Jake Wright, JOC and Stearman as well as Basham with another to come in so that will be 5 players for 3 places in the team

 

[Ginger Gnome]

Back in January when we weren't doing well for a couple of games and Wright wasn't in the team, many were in favour of dropping Basham rather than EEL and complained about Wilder always forcing him into the side somewhere. He had a very good end to the season, but unless he keeps up that level of performance at a higher level he will probably end up being a utility man to cover a few positions off the bench.

He certainly deserves a place to start the season though and as long as he retains it on merit then I don't think anyone can complain. If we end up playing 4-4-2 with Basham in central midfield, then that's when he sometimes looks a bit sunday league.

 

[loyalblade95]

That rb josh Emmanuel looked massive as well had a bit of pace as well

 

[Dec]

No player is undroppable dont you get that
We have Jake Wright, JOC and Stearman as well as Basham with another to come in so that will be 5 players for 3 places in the team

He said at the club currently, don't you get that?

If another comes in and is better than Basham then I'm sure nobody will have a problem with that. At the moment, Basham is a dead cert. to start the season - for good reason too. He's been immense for a good 20 games in a row now.

 

[Razor1967]

Bashams Sunday league standard and any fucking idiot that's happy to see him in our side in any position would be happy to see us in the Meadowhall League .

Couldn't agree less....

 

[Pedro Verde]

He said at the club currently, don't you get that?

If another comes in and is better than Basham then I'm sure nobody will have a problem with that. At the moment, Basham is a dead cert. to start the season - for good reason too. He's been immense for a good 20 games in a row now.

Yes I do that still means there are 4 players for 3 places in the team
Dont you get that
I would disagree Basham has been immense for 20 games in a row
Hes been decent but immense is stretching it a bit

 

[spongebobblade]

Basham and O'Connell are better than Stearman.

Based on the couple of rusty pre-season games we've seen him in? Not sure what formation he's been playing in but has looked like he's adjusting to being the middle man in a back three and getting to know his teammates positionally. The other two are already quite comfortable. Think we need that older more experienced head in the middle of them and he's the man for Wilder

 

[Dec]

Yes I do that still means there are 4 players for 3 places in the team
Dont you get that
I would disagree Basham has been immense for 20 games in a row
Hes been decent but immense is stretching it a bit

You obviously have an agenda against him then. He was probably our most consistent performer in the second half of last season.