JMc here next season?

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nopigfansintown said:
Yep, he has a very good agent who's not so easy to deal with. The club wants to reward the player and retain the long contract length. The agent wants a buy out fee included. Its all about protecting the asset and keeping him happy at SUFC.
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Reward him for what? Deteriorating but scoring a few goals as a result of being in the team by default all season?

If that buy out clause isn't too low then I'd much rather put that in that give him wages he doesn't deserve.

And that offer shouldn't stay on the table for bloody McEveley either. It's time we started acting like a big club with some intent, it's way over due. If we're going to be messed around by someone like him for a few weeks and potentially miss out on signings as a result then I despair.
 

No contract offer for McCeveley. Terms offered to Flynn and Edgar I'm told, with a bit of luck they'll turn them down.
 
Adams this season: 41 games, 12 goals
Adams last season: 13 games, 3 goals

Looks like career progression to me. He's exactly the sort of player we need to lock up. The key, I suppose, is the right sized buyout fee.

(and again, I do not understand this criticism of people who actually score goals given our problems in that area in recent years).
 
Revolution said:
If the terms for Flynn include actually paying him to play football I'll be down the Lane with Brian the Blade...
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Yep, if what I'm told is true then it's just one of many reasons why we are unable to trust in Adkins to take us forward.
 
chipsncake said:
Yep, if what I'm told is true then it's just one of many reasons why we are unable to trust in Adkins to take us forward.
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I can live with Edgar, and see a case for him, but Flynn....what has he done since the FA Cup Quarter final to justify keeping him on?
 
Revolution said:
Adams this season: 41 games, 12 goals
Adams last season: 13 games, 3 goals

Looks like career progression to me. He's exactly the sort of player we need to lock up. The key, I suppose, is the right sized buyout fee.

(and again, I do not understand this criticism of people who actually score goals given our problems in that area in recent years).
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Of course it looks like progression if you only look at the numbers, and that'll typically be all the club are doing, and letting his agent call the shots as a result.

The reality is that he's gone from an explosive, exciting player who can change the game in the blink of an eye to a chunky, sluggish forward who no longer takes players on and still struggles with many of the basics. Surely interest in him has died down, if so that should tell the club all they need to know.
 
Ricky said:
Of course it looks like progression if you only look at the numbers, and that'll typically be all the club are doing, and letting his agent call the shots as a result.

The reality is that he's gone from an explosive, exciting player who can change the game in the blink of an eye to a chunky, sluggish forward who no longer takes players on and still struggles with many of the basics. Surely interest in him has died down, if so that should tell the club all they need to know.
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I don't think that reflects the actual position - he's not that bad.

He has scored 12 goals. Like it or not, that is valuable. That is not so easy to do. And they weren't twelve tap ins.

A longer contract for more money and a high (seven figures, and not just a million) buyout is a good deal all round from where I'm sitting.
 
Revolution said:
I don't think that reflects the actual position - he's not that bad.

He has scored 12 goals. Like it or not, that is valuable. That is not so easy to do. And they weren't twelve tap ins.

A longer contract for more money and a high (seven figures, and not just a million) buyout is a good deal all round from where I'm sitting.
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How many assists? Being alongside Sharp that's important. How much does he generally benefit the team over 90 minutes?

There are a lot of forwards who can score 12+ in L1 and also provide a few for others.

If Adams still had his pace that would set him apart a bit as he'd be an outlet but unfortunately he's lost it.
 
Ricky said:
There are a lot of forwards who can score 12+ in L1 and also provide a few for others.
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Really? Because we didn't have such a player last season (our top scorer was a midfielder), or the season before that (our top scorer managed 7).

Goals are severely underrated.

Assists are great, but goals are better. If you want to improve assists, the place to start is our woeful midfield.
 
chipsncake said:
No contract offer for McCeveley. Terms offered to Flynn and Edgar I'm told, with a bit of luck they'll turn them down.
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Yes we need better players for the first 11, but we also need a squad. Edgar has done OK and I'd be happy for him to be playing regularly next season, as for Flynn he is a versatile player who can do a job at RB, RW and CM. We need back up players and Flynn will be fine as a squad player/on the bench next season.
 
I'd agree, I think Flynn is a good sub player as he can play RB, RM, RW or even in the middle as cover. McEverley, despite trying much harder as the season went on, which was no doubt awareness his contract was coming to an end is a poor player, always got a horror in him every game, hopeless as a LB in a 4, scary as a CH. This is how low our expectations are now.

As for being a Captain, what has he done this season to justify the role, not once I have I seen him picking the lads up vocally after us letting a goal in, his head drops and he looks down, we needed a leader out there, sorry Jay that's not you. Thanks but bye
 

chipsncake said:
No contract offer for McCeveley. Terms offered to Flynn and Edgar I'm told, with a bit of luck they'll turn them down.
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I think Edgar has showed progression as the season's progressed, He's experienced but still has something to offer and totally a side point but Il ove a Canadian international in the ranks! ;-). As for Flynn. Adkins always talked about a squad of fit players capable of playing 40 games or so. When has Flynn ever done that, and more importantly when has Flynn ever showed the consistency required to be a regular? Under Clough at the beginning maybe. But Flynn is the type we need to upgrade on to get promoted.
 
Totally unnecessary to sign Edgar.

We could at the very least get someone on a free of similar ability who won't miss games due to international call ups.
 
Ricky said:
Totally unnecessary to sign Edgar.

We could at the very least get someone on a free of similar ability who won't miss games due to international call ups.
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That's indeed a negative but other than that he's played every other game, without injury, without suspensions for giving needless fouls away, he's decent in the air and he can pass the ball well to out of defence. He's also been here a year now and it asks a lot, in my view, to get promoted needing about 6 new starters, whereas Edgar is already here. If you get rid of Edgar we could quite conceivably need three new centre backs next season, if we're sticking with the 3-5-2.
 
Booker4 said:
That's indeed a negative but other than that he's played every other game, without injury, without suspensions for giving needless fouls away, he's decent in the air and he can pass the ball well to out of defence. He's also been here a year now and it asks a lot, in my view, to get promoted needing about 6 new starters, whereas Edgar is already here. If you get rid of Edgar we could quite conceivably need three new centre backs next season, if we're sticking with the 3-5-2.
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To me lets play safe and sensible and forget what we had or got . New centre backs who are flexible and can compliment each other . We need new fresh blood not punch drunk , brain washed players who have got through this seasons negative shit . Clean sweep , start again . Get rid of all dead wood and loan players .

UTB
 
I don't think everyone here needs to go mate, but just my thoughts. Its the same as the manager. Emotionally and my heart says get rid of the lot lets start again, from top to bottom. But that would be counter productive. We need to keep the better players and then add the quality to the existing players. I don't think Edgar is a weak link. Collo and McEveley are! Just my thoughts and it will be really interesting to see this retained list, it will shows us what sort of quality we're trying to bring in.
 
Booker4 said:
That's indeed a negative but other than that he's played every other game, without injury, without suspensions for giving needless fouls away.
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Pretty sure I remember him being out for a few weeks with a hamstring or similar injury earlier this season?
 
Hague Blade said:
I appreciate the sensitivity, and it's absolutely none of my business, but can you give any idea of what constitutes "big money" at Sheffield United? Apart from a few outliers, like Sharp or Hammond, who've played at higher levels and so presumably can still command higher salaries, these are mostly journeymen lower division footballers - I know Basham, relatively, is one of the better performers but the peak of his career to date is a few games at Bolton. If he's on any more than 3 thousand a week, I'd be amazed/horrified.
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We have Collins, Flynn, Higdon, Cuvelier, Hammond, Sammon, Harris who are all within the top category and out of contract. Flynn was offered a new deal on a lot lower terms than those in his optional year extension, some time ago. He may look around and see that the grass isn't greener elsewhere. Adkins likes him but doesn't think he's worth big bucks. Basham signed on a free and was in a commanding position to negotiate. We beat two championship clubs to his signature

7k or above per week: massive money.

3K - 5k per week: average money.

1k to 3k below: below average money.

Under this level: wages for academy prospects and development players taken from the lower leagues.

Don't forget there are bonus packages which help the club navigate SCMP - particularly for big earners.
 
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