Jigsaw is coming together?

[Pinchy]

But that would involve kicking the ball........ Still, I suppose after giving away numerous free kicks for handball as a result of caressing it, kicking might be a better option.

You've already revealed yourself a fool. The only remaining question is "How big?"...........

 

[oldblade]

You've already revealed yourself a fool. The only remaining question is "How big?"...........

Pots and kettles comes to mind. Not pleasant is it, someone treating you with the same contempt as you treat everyone else.

 

[Pinchy]

What Pele is actually saying is that, like everyone of eminence in their chosen field, he has an attitude of reverence to that field. He is expressing that reverence in a non-literal way.

He is saying nothing at all about how one should play football.

Yes, he is! In the plainest possible terms. As an eminent, and sadly, intelligent (unlike some, you don't have the mitigation of stupidity) Hoofer, you have a right to disagree with the nonpareil, but please don't deny him the meaning of his words.

 

[alcoblade]

Yes, he is! In the plainest possible terms. As an eminent, and sadly, intelligent (unlike some, you don't have the mitigation of stupidity) Hoofer, you have a right to disagree with the nonpareil, but please don't deny him the meaning of his words.

I can't help but picture you in an empty room, by yourself, with lots of arguing going on. Give it up Pinchy, even your reflection is losing interest.

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[Darren]

Yes, he is! In the plainest possible terms. As an eminent, and sadly, intelligent (unlike some, you don't have the mitigation of stupidity) Hoofer, you have a right to disagree with the nonpareil, but please don't deny him the meaning of his words.

Football is like a religion to me. I worship the ball, and I treat it like a god. Too many players think of a football as something to kick. They should be taught to caress it and to treat it like a precious gem."

Well I interpret his words as meaning that whenever he has the ball he feels the urge to ensure that each touch of the ball is effective and meaningful, just like a lover's caress or a religious offering. As meaning in football is defined in terms of getting the ball between those two posts and under that bar situated at the end of the pitch (known as a "goal" in technical terms), that means that he believes the lover of the ball should ensure that the ball should achieve its proper teleological unity with the goal as quickly as possible. Just as an eager lover does not delay his entry into the arms of his mistress and the eager devotee knows better than to keep his god waiting, the lover of the ball does not delay consumating the ball's relationship with the goal. In other words, Pele loves hoof.

In the absence of a definitive interpretation from the great man himself, I can't see why my interpretation is any worse than yours,

 

[JJ Sefton]

Aah, If only that were so...........

It's true. Even if you punt the ball randomly their is 'purpose' behind the action.

 

[oldblade]

Football is like a religion to me. I worship the ball, and I treat it like a god. Too many players think of a football as something to kick. They should be taught to caress it and to treat it like a precious gem."

Well I interpret his words as meaning that whenever he has the ball he feels the urge to ensure that each touch of the ball is effective and meaningful, just like a lover's caress or a religious offering. As meaning in football is defined in terms of getting the ball between those two posts and under that bar situated at the end of the pitch (known as a "goal" in technical terms), that means that he believes the lover of the ball should ensure that the ball should achieve its proper teleological unity with the goal as quickly as possible. Just as an eager lover does not delay his entry into the arms of his mistress and the eager devotee knows better than to keep his god waiting, the lover of the ball does not delay consumating the ball's relationship with the goal. In other words, Pele loves hoof.

In the absence of a definitive interpretation from the great man himself, I can't see why my interpretation is any worse than yours,

Ah, but you forget that Pinchy is the only person with sufficient intelligence to interpret his words.

Personally, I think it's obvious that he was a lover of rugby league and is clearly advocating picking the ball up and kicking it as infrequently as possible.

 

[Pinchy]

I can't help but picture you in an empty room, by yourself, with lots of arguing going on. Give it up Pinchy, even your reflection is losing interest.

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You are, of course, correct. It goes without saying that the standard of debate in that room is infinitely higher than on this nonetheless worthy forum.

I think I have a solution. I shall ask Foxy to allocate to me a second account.

Myself and I will then exchange carefully crafted words of wisdom, delivered in the most splendidly elegant prose. We will block the ever-diminishing handful of users who do not agree with us [there will be no reciprocal facility I'm afraid] and all will be well.

 

[Paqamaq]

You are, of course, correct. It goes without saying that the standard of debate in that room is infinitely higher than on this nonetheless worthy forum.

I think I have a solution. I shall ask Foxy to allocate to me a second account.

Myself and I will then exchange carefully crafted words of wisdom, delivered in the most splendidly elegant prose. We will block the ever-diminishing handful of users who do not agree with us [there will be no reciprocal facility I'm afraid] and all will be well.

What the actual fuck?

 

[Bulletnut]

Another one who fails to grasp the conclusively proven superiority of pass and move over kick and hope. Of course winning is important but history shows that proper football is the way to win. Bassett 'football' went out with.....well......Bassett.

I have never advocated 'carpet football'. I believe in passing with purpose. It's the way all the best teams play. If you're happy with alehouse football that's your privilege, but don't run away with the idea that we're all s2 Neanderthals. Some of us have standards.

Passing with purpose now is it? PMSL, you should get a job in marketing with cobblers like that.

Didn't see where I said I wanted Alehouse football, I said I wanted winning football and despite what you may think, teams that can adapt are successful, not the one dimensional teams who have only one method of play. Lovely to watch pretty football but at this level you do what you need to pick up points. If you're going to argue with that then it's pointless trying to educate you, you're obviously too far gone.

 

[super_pig]

pretty football IS winning football.. ask Barcelona, Bayern, Arsenal, Man City, Real Madrid etc etc.. none of the top teams play hoofball. i'm not saying we can go out and buy lionel Messi of course but we should be looking for the equivalent at our level. at our level only Wolves can live with us budget wise

 

[TarquinDelouche]

Pinchy's problem is that he's a football lover trapped in the body of a Blades fan.

 

[Racy]

pretty football IS winning football.. ask Barcelona, Bayern, Arsenal, Man City, Real Madrid etc etc.. none of the top teams play hoofball. i'm not saying we can go out and buy lionel Messi of course but we should be looking for the equivalent at our level. at our level only Wolves can live with us budget wise

How can you equivalate us with the likes of those you mentioned.
Over the next few years getting back established in the Championship would be a result for us.
We will not get there with attempting a watered down version of what the top clubs play.
I do believe we will get there but in the main it won't be pretty under Clough

 

[TarquinDelouche]

How can you equivalate us with the likes of those you mentioned.
Over the next few years getting back established in the Championship would be a result for us.
We will not get there with attempting a watered down version of what the top clubs play.
I do believe we will get there but in the main it won't be pretty under Clough

And that is like saying "I'm never going to be as good as Hendrix so I shan't bother trying, and set up a Status Quo tribute act".

 

[alcoblade]

pretty football IS winning football.. ask Barcelona, Bayern, Arsenal, Man City, Real Madrid etc etc.. none of the top teams play hoofball. i'm not saying we can go out and buy lionel Messi of course but we should be looking for the equivalent at our level. at our level only Wolves can live with us budget wise

But for the 999,999th (the cycle continues) time, you are confusing cause and effect. They play pretty football because they have the best players. Nobody wants to employ Messi and pump high balls to him. It's just about playing a pragmatic style relatrive to the players you have and not ther players you'd like to have.

I'm suprised you've fallen for Pinchy's bullshit

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[Racy]

And that is like saying "I'm never going to be as good as Hendrix so I shan't bother trying, and set up a Status Quo tribute act".

Ok then most we can hope for is to be a good support band to the main acts is doesn't mean we won't enjoy the performance.

 

[Pinchy]

But for the 999,999th (the cycle continues) time, you are confusing cause and effect. They play pretty football because they have the best players. Nobody wants to employ Messi and pump high balls to him. It's just about playing a pragmatic style relatrive to the players you have and not ther players you'd like to have.

I'm suprised you've fallen for Pinchy's bullshit

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That's a philosophy of despair Alco.

"Our players are crap so we have to play ale house football to accommodate their lack of talent"........
"There's no point in bringing in decent players because they aren't suited to our style of play"........
"Our players are crap so we have to play ale house football to accommodate their lack of talent"

That's the true recurring circle, and it's a vicious one. Ask Leon Britton for one.

 

[Pinchy]

How can you equivalate us with the likes of those you mentioned.
Over the next few years getting back established in the Championship would be a result for us.
We will not get there with attempting a watered down version of what the top clubs play.
I do believe we will get there but in the main it won't be pretty under Clough

But that's the Hoofer's Fallacy Racy [I'm not accusing you of Hoofophilia].

In truth, more clubs, in recent times, have got out of this league in precisely that way than by hoofing. Better still, some of them (Southampton and Norwich) have equipped themselves to move seamlessly into the Premiership. It makes absolute sense everywhere but in the minds of our Neanderthals. Luckily those who make the decisions have finally got the message.

As I have said elsewhere, with HRH' backing, our Nigel is going to (gradually but definitely) turn us into a proper football club playing proper football. The Hoofers might want to get off the bus along the way.

 

[Darren]

But that's the Hoofer's Fallacy Racy [I'm not accusing you of Hoofophilia].

In truth, more clubs, in recent times, have got out of this league in precisely that way than by hoofing. Better still, some of them (Southampton and Norwich) have equipped themselves to move seamlessly into the Premiership. It makes absolute sense everywhere but in the minds of our Neanderthals. Luckily those who make the decisions have finally got the message.

As I have said elsewhere, with HRH' backing, our Nigel is going to (gradually but definitely) turn us into a proper football club playing proper football. The Hoofers might want to get off the bus along the way.

Do you seriously think that these "hoofers" (whoever they may be) will not be as happy as Larry if we start moving up the leagues and will not give an aeronautoic coitus what style of play gets us there?

Or will they all be saying "yes, Clough has got us promoted, but he doesn't hoof enough for me, we need to get Bassett/Adams/Morgan in"?

I will bet you 83 million trillion pounds that when and if Clough gets us promoted, no-one, literally no-one, will be complaing that he didn't hoof enough.

 

[alcoblade]

That's the true recurring circle, and it's a vicious one. Ask Leon Britton for one.

No need to ask Britton. Your David Weir just demonstrated it in depressingly disasterous fashion for us all.

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[super_pig]

Ok then most we can hope for is to be a good support band to the main acts is doesn't mean we won't enjoy the performance.

it isn't a case of falling for anyone's bullshit. plus.. if we had lionel messi we 'would' be pumping high balls to him.. in fact we'd probably play him at left back because he could 'do a job'

 

[super_pig]

No need to ask Britton. Your David Weir just demonstrated it in depressingly disasterous fashion for us all.

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David bloody Weir.. just because David Weir was crap doesn't make Roberto Martinez, Pep Guardiola and vicente del bosque wrong though does it??

 

[Racy]

But that's the Hoofer's Fallacy Racy [I'm not accusing you of Hoofophilia].

In truth, more clubs, in recent times, have got out of this league in precisely that way than by hoofing. Better still, some of them (Southampton and Norwich) have equipped themselves to move seamlessly into the Premiership. It makes absolute sense everywhere but in the minds of our Neanderthals. Luckily those who make the decisions have finally got the message.

As I have said elsewhere, with HRH' backing, our Nigel is going to (gradually but definitely) turn us into a proper football club playing proper football. The Hoofers might want to get off the bus along the way.

I dont suffer from Hoofophilia far from it but you surely you cannot say Weirs football was the way forward.

In time Clough will build a side that will entertain us Im sure he will be here for a long stay for me these days being entertained is the main thing not saying thats happening right now.

 

[Racy]

But that's the Hoofer's Fallacy Racy [I'm not accusing you of Hoofophilia].

In truth, more clubs, in recent times, have got out of this league in precisely that way than by hoofing. Better still, some of them (Southampton and Norwich) have equipped themselves to move seamlessly into the Premiership. It makes absolute sense everywhere but in the minds of our Neanderthals. Luckily those who make the decisions have finally got the message.

As I have said elsewhere, with HRH' backing, our Nigel is going to (gradually but definitely) turn us into a proper football club playing proper football. The Hoofers might want to get off the bus along the way.

I dont suffer from Hoofophilia far from it but you surely you cannot say Weirs football was the way forward.

In time Clough will build a side that will entertain us Im sure he will be here for a long stay for me these days being entertained is the main thing not saying thats happening right now.

 

[alcoblade]

David bloody Weir.. just because David Weir was crap doesn't make Roberto Martinez, Pep Guardiola and vicente del bosque wrong though does it??

No, they played the right style of football for the players at their disposal. Weir didn't, hence us being at the bottom of the 3rd division and those managers not being.

But please, let's not get dragged into the inane hoof V tip tap debate that Pinchy lives off. You surely accept there's just so much more to it that that?

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[Pinchy]

No, they played the right style of football for the players at their disposal. Weir didn't, hence us being at the bottom of the 3rd division and those managers not being.

But please, let's not get dragged into the inane hoof V tip tap debate that Pinchy lives off. You surely accept there's just so much more to it that that?

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I don't live off it at all. I would dearly love not to have to mention style of play at all. It's the Hoofers who start it every time. I'm entitled to respond to their misguided and deliberately provocative advocacy of non-football.

The club has publicly (at last - thank Pele) set its face against their beloved Alehouse style - it hurts and they will fight to the death: For the love of Harry and Semi-Pro and the self-evident truths of the inalienable rights of every Sheffielder to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Aimless Punts.

 

[Silent Blade]

David bloody Weir.. just because David Weir was crap doesn't make Roberto Martinez, Pep Guardiola and vicente del bosque wrong though does it??

Martinez, Guardiola and Del Bosque have the quality players to make passing football work well for them. We didnt have enough quality players and Weir made the big mistake of deciding on the style before assessing the strengths and weaknesses of our our playing squad.

 

[alcoblade]

I don't live off it at all. I would dearly love not to have to mention style of play at all. It's the Hoofers who start it every time. I'm entitled to respond to their misguided and deliberately provocative advocacy of non-football.

The club has publicly (at last - thank Pele) set its face against their beloved Alehouse style - it hurts and they will fight to the death: For the love of Harry and Semi-Pro and the self-evident truths of the inalienable rights of every Sheffielder to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Aimless Punts.

Once again it was you who brought up this nonsense. Arguing with the mirror in an empty room, still harking on about Montgomery and Bassett for fucks sake.

If the club has such a one eyed view of football as you then it would in some why explain why we're at the bottom of the third division.

Fortunately Clough seems much more pragmatic, unlike your hero, the rank failure and the worst manager in our history, the tiptap meister Weir.

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[alcoblade]

Martinez, Guardiola and Del Bosque have the quality players to make passing football work well for them. We didnt have enough quality players and Weir made the big mistake of deciding on the style before assessing the strengths and weaknesses of our our playing squad.

It's that simple.

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[oldblade]

That's a philosophy of despair Alco.

"Our players are crap so we have to play ale house football to accommodate their lack of talent"........
"There's no point in bringing in decent players because they aren't suited to our style of play"........
"Our players are crap so we have to play ale house football to accommodate their lack of talent"

That's the true recurring circle, and it's a vicious one. Ask Leon Britton for one.

I've read and re-read his post and he didn't say any of that anywhere. But I suppose if it doesn't fit the argument you can always make it up as usual.