Jigsaw is coming together?

[oldblade]

Only in S2 would the notion of playing the right way be described as 'bollocks'.

Pathetic.

Nigel's doing a great job. Watch the Hoofers turn on him, though, when he converts us, as he undoubtedly will over the next 18 months, into a proper football team, playing the right way.

From my copy of The Concise Oxford Dictionary:

Football - 1. "Large round or elliptical inflated leather ball". 2. "Open-air game played with such a ball by two sides each seeking to move it across opponents' goal-line by kicking or other permitted means".

Could have sworn we did this more times than the opposition yesterday. Perhaps it was a dream.
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[Darren]

Nigel's doing a great job. Watch the Hoofers turn on him, though, when he converts us, as he undoubtedly will over the next 18 months, into a proper football team, playing the right way.

You are really a bit too old for this enfant terrible shtick.

Neither the "hoofers" nor anyone else will "turn" on Clough as long as he is winning games. They will not give a flying fuck as to the playing style by which those wins are achieved

 

[Silent Blade]

Only in S2 would the notion of playing the right way be described as 'bollocks'.

Pathetic.

There is no 'right' way to play,it's simply scoring more goals than your opponents and getting 3 points.
We need a good,strong target man desperately in the JTW,then we have the option of hoofing it up to him also

It is a waste of time replying to the narrow-minded Pinchy.

 

[JohnDenver]

Neither the "hoofers" nor anyone else will "turn" on Clough as long as he is winning games. They will not give a flying fuck as to the playing style by which those wins are achieved

That's true, but as ever there are shades of grey. The groundswell against Blackwell was undoubtedly, in part, due to his preferred style of play. It reduces the tolerance when things go awry.

 

[SwissBlade]

Steadily getting the results on the board, Clough is bringing players from out I the cold like Flynn, Murphy and Baxter and they sound like we're playing as a team.

Discussing the merits of playing styles? Cloughie's dragging us out of the relegation zone and up the table so far. The style in how we accomplish this right now is not a concern. Through time we'll get a settled style, but right now Cloughie's working on getting a style of results, or more importantly preventing the losing style.

A few January tweaks in and out and we should be able to maintain the stability this season.

 

[oldblade]

Nigel's doing a great job. Watch the Hoofers turn on him, though, when he converts us, as he undoubtedly will over the next 18 months, into a proper football team, playing the right way.

For my sins, I live in Gloucestershire. This is an area that has very little football history. But it is big on rugby union. Amazingly, there are similarities between Gloucester RFU and SUFC.

The most immediate similarity is that they play in the same colours. Red, black, white. The difference is that the stripes are horizontal instead of vertical.

They also have a history of bottling the big one, the one that really matters. Not quite to our standard, but never-the-less...

More pertinently, in the past Gloucester have generally tended to play a forward based style of rugby. Not a pleasing style to those who have limited knowledge of the sport. In other words it doesn't look good on TV and doesn't entertain the casual observer. I suppose to the rugby equivalent of the Pinchy's of this world, it wasn't proper rugby. It didn't conform to how the southern hemisphere play and people seem to think that how they play is how everyone should play, regardless of the available talent.

However, Gloucester supporters were quite happy watching this type of rugby. They tended to win more than they lost and although they haven't won the league in the professional era they have never ever been relegated from rugby's top flight. Their attendances are over 10,000 for 'lesser' games and over 15,000 for the 'bigger' games. Not bad for a city of around 120,000 population.

I hadn't seen them live for some time, but went along to Kingsholm today. I don't watch them regularly, but do so every now and again. Until today I had never ever seen them lose when watching them live. And that record went back numerous decades. Today they played in a different way than I had ever seen them play before and they lost. Gone was the forward style of play and in it's place a more running style. Or, as the rugby equivalents of Pinchy would say, a proper style of rugby. End result - defeat. This was a cup game, but is one of many defeats this season. Two league wins all season and struggling at the wrong end of the table. I can honestly say I have never ever seen a Gloucester RFC side play so poorly.

Gloucester RFC supporters are as passionate about their rugby as we are about Sheffield United. As far as they are concerned the only proper way to play is the one that delivers victories.

Proper football my backside!

 

[dublin 10 blade]

Nigel's doing a great job. Watch the Hoofers turn on him, though, when he converts us, as he undoubtedly will over the next 18 months, into a proper football team, playing the right way.

Bollox.

 

[Pinchy]

"Football is like a religion to me. I worship the ball, and I treat it like a god. Too many players think of a football as something to kick. They should be taught to caress it and to treat it like a precious gem."

A quotation from some hopelessly idealistic, starry-eyed romantic?

Read and learn Hoofers, unless of course you know better.

'Ave it!

 

[alcoblade]

"Football is like a religion to me. I worship the ball, and I treat it like a god. Too many players think of a football as something to kick. They should be taught to caress it and to treat it like a precious gem."

A quotation from some hopelessly idealistic, starry-eyed romantic?

Read and learn Hoofers, unless of course you know better.

'Ave it!

 

[oldblade]

"Football is like a religion to me. I worship the ball, and I treat it like a god. Too many players think of a football as something to kick. They should be taught to caress it and to treat it like a precious gem."

A quotation from some hopelessly idealistic, starry-eyed romantic?

Read and learn Hoofers, unless of course you know better.

'Ave it!

If you never ever kicked a football you would never ever win. You really are deluded.

 

[Pinchy]

If you never ever kicked a football you would never ever win. You really are deluded.

Do you think the original maker of the statement I quoted is deluded as well?

You really are unimaginative and simplistic.

 

[oldblade]

Do you think the original maker of the statement I quoted is deluded as well?

You really are unimaginative and simplistic.

Let's be clear here. You are the one who posted that quotation, not me. Do you seriously believe that you can win a game of football without kicking a ball? If you believe that, you need medical help.

 

[Bulletnut]

Do you think the original maker of the statement I quoted is deluded as well?

You really are unimaginative and simplistic.

This is a wind up isn't it? No one can be as blinkered and one dimensional without having some sort of compulsive disorder. I've seen us play sublime football with TC, Woody and the boys pinging the ball around with finesse, I've seen Deane and Agana wreak havoc with defences in a more direct style and you know what? I loved it all. It was my team, it was successful and who gives a shit if it's carpet football or up and at 'em. If my team wins in 90 minutes I don't give a damn, all this talk of playing the "proper" way is complete tosh. Remember when we did the double over the Pigs? Remember the style that we played? Would you have been happier playing carpet football and losing? You do whatever it takes to win because at the end of the season it's points that win prizes, not the number of passes you've put together.

Good result yesterday, and the clean sheet was the most important thing for me so sorry, don't give a damn how pretty we look, I'm just happy with 3 points right now and owt else is a bonus.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

"Football is like a religion to me. I worship the ball

I worship the player who can put the ball in the net.

It's lots more fun, try it.

 

[DronnieBlade]

This thread appears to have (once again) opened the debate on hoofball. Or more specifically winning football in so far as you do not necessarily HAVE to adopt a purist footballing approach to win matches (Especially at L3 level) and that a much more direct approach can be just as effective.

So the question therefore is, and making the general assumption that you are never going to win all of your games, whatever "method" you adopt, between now and the end of the current season, which "method" will bear us the most fruit ??

Just curious I guess !!

 

[Pinchy]

This is a wind up isn't it? No one can be as blinkered and one dimensional without having some sort of compulsive disorder. I've seen us play sublime football with TC, Woody and the boys pinging the ball around with finesse, I've seen Deane and Agana wreak havoc with defences in a more direct style and you know what? I loved it all. It was my team, it was successful and who gives a shit if it's carpet football or up and at 'em. If my team wins in 90 minutes I don't give a damn, all this talk of playing the "proper" way is complete tosh. Remember when we did the double over the Pigs? Remember the style that we played? Would you have been happier playing carpet football and losing? You do whatever it takes to win because at the end of the season it's points that win prizes, not the number of passes you've put together.

Good result yesterday, and the clean sheet was the most important thing for me so sorry, don't give a damn how pretty we look, I'm just happy with 3 points right now and owt else is a bonus.

Another one who fails to grasp the conclusively proven superiority of pass and move over kick and hope. Of course winning is important but history shows that proper football is the way to win. Bassett 'football' went out with.....well......Bassett.

I have never advocated 'carpet football'. I believe in passing with purpose. It's the way all the best teams play. If you're happy with alehouse football that's your privilege, but don't run away with the idea that we're all s2 Neanderthals. Some of us have standards.

 

[Pinchy]

Let's be clear here. You are the one who posted that quotation, not me. Do you seriously believe that you can win a game of football without kicking a ball? If you believe that, you need medical help.

Yes, thank you for that nonsensical literalist interpretation of an elegant common sense statement.

Do you say the guy who made the statement is deluded?

 

[Grecian2000]

Perhaps if Pinchy had added the Dennis Bergkamp quote into the mix alongside Pele's, it would be simpler to understand:

“Behind every kick of the ball there has to be a thought”

I do believe people are now reading Pinchy's posts as they used to Lens, with the first reaction being to find something to argue against.

I suspect Pele would be in most peoples top ten players of all time (number 1 for me and a few others) and I suspect he didn't believe it should never be "kicked" but never just "kicked aimlessly". I doubt he's ever, seriously, had to explain it (unless Len's quoted him in the past).

NB. I DO believe the great man has needed some medical help though.

 

[JohnDenver]

NB. I DO believe the great man has needed some medical help though.

Yeah, I always suspected Len was mentally ill too.

 

[Darren]

Perhaps if Pinchy had added the Dennis Bergkamp quote into the mix alongside Pele's, it would be simpler to understand:

“Behind every kick of the ball there has to be a thought”

I do believe people are now reading Pinchy's posts as they used to Lens, with the first reaction being to find something to argue against.

I suspect Pele would be in most peoples top ten players of all time (number 1 for me and a few others) and I suspect he didn't believe it should never be "kicked" but never just "kicked aimlessly". I doubt he's ever, seriously, had to explain it (unless Len's quoted him in the past).

NB. I DO believe the great man has needed some medical help though.

There's a line in the Rocky Horror Show about Frank N Furter offering to show Brad and Janet his "favourite obsession" (a "man with blonde hair and a tan" as it happens). Pinchy's favourite obsession is to define himself as gallantly holding the fort for proper football against the Neanderthal hoof supporting hordes of S2. It has about as much reality as Frank's creation of Rocky.

 

[JJ Sefton]

I believe in passing with purpose.

Everyone does.

 

[Grecian2000]

There's a line in the Rocky Horror Show about Frank N Furter offering to show Brad and Janet his "favourite obsession" (a "man with blonde hair and a tan" as it happens). Pinchy's favourite obsession is to define himself as gallantly holding the fort for proper football against the Neanderthal hoof supporting hordes of S2. It has about as much reality as Frank's creation of Rocky.

Indeed, and he gets plenty of arguments (some might say bites) when he does so.

My point was that a quote of somewhere around 50 years and from as good a player as ever touched a football, is now being taken literally because it was Pinchy who brought it up. What next, getting Ron Yeats to stand somewhere in his Liverpool kit so someone could walk around him because Bill Shankly was once quoted in saying it would take a week?

 

[oldblade]

Yes, thank you for that nonsensical literalist interpretation of an elegant common sense statement.

Do you say the guy who made the statement is deluded?

Pele was a footballer and a very good one. As we all know, good footballers don't always make good managers, or commentators or indeed lyricists, poets or song writers. It doesn't necessarily follow that because you are good at a sport everything you say about it is 100% accurate.

A sequence of words that sound very nice, but don't necessarily make sense.

You still haven't said whether or not you think you can win without kicking the ball.

 

[Silent Blade]

I suspect Pele would be in most peoples top ten players of all time (number 1 for me and a few others) and I suspect he didn't believe it should never be "kicked" but never just "kicked aimlessly". I doubt he's ever, seriously, had to explain it (unless Len's quoted him in the past).

If it wasnt Pele, Pinchy would have accused him of hoofing aimlessly

 

[Pinchy]

Pele.....a "very good footballer"

My word, that's generous.

"Old Mozart, he could bang out a decent tune on the old Joanna...."

"If you want a decent plasterer, me old mate Micky Angelo is 'andy........"

The rest of the world adores the beautiful game. In the dark caves set deep in the remote, unchartered wastelands of S2, we want to club it to death, a grotesque sacrifice on the altar of Dinosaur Dave.

Never mind what Poncy Pele thinks; We're Bladey Bassett Blades and we know what we like:

Kick it Long; Kick it Hard; Kick it High.

 

[oldblade]

I have never advocated 'carpet football'. I believe in passing with purpose.

But that would involve kicking the ball........ Still, I suppose after giving away numerous free kicks for handball as a result of caressing it, kicking might be a better option.

 

[Darren]

Pele.....a "very good footballer"

My word, that's generous.

"Old Mozart, he could bang out a decent tune on the old Joanna...."

"If you want a decent plasterer, me old mate Micky Angelo is 'andy........"

The rest of the world adores the beautiful game. In the dark caves set deep in the remote, unchartered wastelands of S2, we want to club it to death, a grotesque sacrifice on the altar of Dinosaur Dave.

Never mind what Poncy Pele thinks; We're Bladey Bassett Blades and we know what we like:

Kick it Long; Kick it Hard; Kick it High.

What Pele is actually saying is that, like everyone of eminence in their chosen field, he has an attitude of reverence to that field. He is expressing that reverence in a non-literal way.

He is saying nothing at all about how one should play football.

 

[oldblade]

Kick it Long; Kick it Hard; Kick it High.

Or maybe even into the opposing goal..........

 

[Pinchy]

Everyone does.

Aah, If only that were so...........

 

[oldblade]

Pele.....a "very good footballer"

My word, that's generous.

I thought it was accurate rather than generous. Don't you like him then?