January is the time to cash in on Brooks .....

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Can't believe we have negative threads about anything or anyone, we would have snapped peoples hands off to be where we are at the beginning of the season. It is threads like this that put to much pressure on, in this case, young shoulders. Enjoy it ffs, you really could not do any better than the playing staff, coaching staff, managerial staff and those owning the club, could you? If so lets hear your plans from top to to bottom, what you would do in each department that improves the situation and guarantees we don't go in to liquidation. Who would you sign to improve us on the pitch? What would you do off the pitch to ensure we have the funds to sign who you want on the pitch. Negative shit like this crappy thread drives me mad.
 



The kids special, he is magic sometimes. Let me remind you, HES STILL 20 YEARS OLD he will have bad games and LEARN from them. Can't we appreciate we have something invaluable for once.
 
No and no, anymore dumb questions?

Aside from asking you to tell me what it is exactly that he brings to our team right now, no .

I would however like to clarify something for you and a few others on here though, please don't conflate my assessment of Brooks' worth to our team right now with me claiming Brooks is shit . At no point have I said the lad can't play . What I do claim is that he doesn't offer much at all in our current set up . He doesn't press , he doesn't track back and it's also very difficult for him to claim a place as his own in our current set up . So what do you suggest ? That we change our entire set up to facilitate getting him into the starting 11 ?
 
Every once in a while we have a player who's worth watching , something different and a bit special . Can we just keep him or a couple of seasons , otherwise what's the point . I don't think I will ever see us win the PL, be in the champions league, or even win an F A cup .. it's not why I go , it's because every now and again something special happens like last season , or a special player who gets you off your seat comes along .., just let's enjoy it whilst it lasts
Leon Clarke is already here and doing what you describe. Am busy comparing his run of goals to that of Keith Edwards in 1977.
 
Face facts , one game one sub appearance and a nutmeg aside hes contributed virtually nothing this season .

The problem with Brooks isn't really a problem with Brooks at all. It's our reactions to him. After his exploits with England's kids and then after scoring in a friendly against Chesterfield, we've gone in to hype overdrive "Best player I've seen since Currie" "Wouldn't sell him for 350m". Now he's had a few relatively poor games, a natural backlash is starting.

To the OP, I don't think we should cash in as a) I don't think there's really a big queue of clubs to sign him, b) he makes the fans excited. We have no other player like him.

I agree he's got a lot to work on, but the potential (and yes it's still just potential at this stage) is undeniable.

To your assertion that he's contributed virtually nothing aside from one game, one sub appearance and one nutmeg, I can't agree.

It's hard to assess someone's value in points, but by my very flawed logic, he's arguably directly helped earn us around 7 points.

I agree he's got some frustrating elements to his play, and is not ready to start most games. Better as a sub, and for me, better when either we're winning, or the opponents are going for a goal. He needs the space. Is he our Pele? No. Do we have anyone else like him? No.
 
The OP raises an interesting proposition. It's interesting for more than one reason. Not least, the timing of it. I don't think we would have seen this proposition raised after the Sheffield derby game, or the win at Leeds, but Brooks has had lean pickings of late and hasn't played with the same flourish as back in those games, so all of a sudden, the prospect of selling him and getting an injection of cash looks more appealing to some.

Another reason it is interesting is because it hinges on a huge assumption - that the sale of Brooks would significantly increase the cash available to spend on new players. It ought to, but this is a complicated calculation in itself, because if we look back at the sale of Naughton, Walker, Maguire, they were all sold for significantly more money than we saw pumped back into the club in terms of money spent on players. I think what's more likely is that we would see a small percentage of any sale of Brooks, put towards funds for new players, the majority of it would be swallowed up to support the running of the club.

And the other reason I find it interesting is that, to me, it shows a remarkable inability to recognise outstanding talent. Once in a while, maybe once every 30 or 40 years, a player comes along who has outstanding natural ability. I've been watching for nearly 50 years and in all that time I think I've only seen one for United - Tony Currie. Beyond Sheffield United I'd cite players like Alan Hudson, George Best, Maradonna, Eric Cantona, Paul Gascoigne. Got the picture? I'm talking EXCEPTIONALLY gifted, beyond the bounds of "normal". These players have one thing in common, apart from being extremely talented at football. They don't fit the mould. i.e. you can't compare them to other players in any way, shape or form. They are non-conformists. Let's take the great TC as an example and for those old enough to remember, I'll make some comparisons with others from that era (and if you're not old enough to remember - ask someone who is)...

Let's imagine John Harris back in the day saying..."X player is injured - let's get TC to fill in for him there". It couldn't have happened. TC in no way could have replaced Hockey, Salmons, Eddy, Dearden, Reece, Woodward, not any of them. He couldn't have, not because he wasn't good enough, but because he was just something else. He was a complete one-off. A special talent that could not be labelled, "a winger" or "a central attacking midfielder" or "a central defensive midfielder" or any other position for that matter. The same can be said of Brooks. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's going to be the next TC - no one knows that. I'm saying he's a talent of that kind, that's my point.

The OP draws comparisons with other midfield players at the club and starts to suggest that Brooks isn't really a Coutts, or a Fleck or a Duffy and concludes from this that his value to the club would be best realised by selling him. I agree that he isn't like any other player at the club - and I think this is his real value to the club.

When you have a player like that in your squad you have to accept that they are "different" and that's what makes them special - the moment you start thinking about them as "an alternative to..." then you've lost sight of the jewel you have in your hand.

Would I sell him in January. No. Not a chance. I'd nurture the lad along for the next two or three seasons at least and let him be David Brooks - the talented enigmatic young man that he is. And watch his value soar through the roof. And when that day comes when we do eventually sell him, for several times more than he'd fetch in January, it will be like the sale of TC all over again. Because some players are just irreplaceable.
 
The OP raises an interesting proposition. It's interesting for more than one reason. Not least, the timing of it. I don't think we would have seen this proposition raised after the Sheffield derby game, or the win at Leeds, but Brooks has had lean pickings of late and hasn't played with the same flourish as back in those games, so all of a sudden, the prospect of selling him and getting an injection of cash looks more appealing to some.

Another reason it is interesting is because it hinges on a huge assumption - that the sale of Brooks would significantly increase the cash available to spend on new players. It ought to, but this is a complicated calculation in itself, because if we look back at the sale of Naughton, Walker, Maguire, they were all sold for significantly more money than we saw pumped back into the club in terms of money spent on players. I think what's more likely is that we would see a small percentage of any sale of Brooks, put towards funds for new players, the majority of it would be swallowed up to support the running of the club.

And the other reason I find it interesting is that, to me, it shows a remarkable inability to recognise outstanding talent. Once in a while, maybe once every 30 or 40 years, a player comes along who has outstanding natural ability. I've been watching for nearly 50 years and in all that time I think I've only seen one for United - Tony Currie. Beyond Sheffield United I'd cite players like Alan Hudson, George Best, Maradonna, Eric Cantona, Paul Gascoigne. Got the picture? I'm talking EXCEPTIONALLY gifted, beyond the bounds of "normal". These players have one thing in common, apart from being extremely talented at football. They don't fit the mould. i.e. you can't compare them to other players in any way, shape or form. They are non-conformists. Let's take the great TC as an example and for those old enough to remember, I'll make some comparisons with others from that era (and if you're not old enough to remember - ask someone who is)...

Let's imagine John Harris back in the day saying..."X player is injured - let's get TC to fill in for him there". It couldn't have happened. TC in no way could have replaced Hockey, Salmons, Eddy, Dearden, Reece, Woodward, not any of them. He couldn't have, not because he wasn't good enough, but because he was just something else. He was a complete one-off. A special talent that could not be labelled, "a winger" or "a central attacking midfielder" or "a central defensive midfielder" or any other position for that matter. The same can be said of Brooks. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's going to be the next TC - no one knows that. I'm saying he's a talent of that kind, that's my point.

The OP draws comparisons with other midfield players at the club and starts to suggest that Brooks isn't really a Coutts, or a Fleck or a Duffy and concludes from this that his value to the club would be best realised by selling him. I agree that he isn't like any other player at the club - and I think this is his real value to the club.

When you have a player like that in your squad you have to accept that they are "different" and that's what makes them special - the moment you start thinking about them as "an alternative to..." then you've lost sight of the jewel you have in your hand.

Would I sell him in January. No. Not a chance. I'd nurture the lad along for the next two or three seasons at least and let him be David Brooks - the talented enigmatic young man that he is. And watch his value soar through the roof. And when that day comes when we do eventually sell him, for several times more than he'd fetch in January, it will be like the sale of TC all over again. Because some players are just irreplaceable.
Spoken with much insight Cerberus agree 100% about TC he had a magic about him which the crowd loved unless you saw him in action it's hard to beleave how good he was.It was though he was in a bubble when he had the ball and players were scared of him.
Brooks as you say is a one off instinctive is the word I would use,he himself probably Doasnt know what he will do next (the nutmeg against Hunt was a typical example ).He has gone off the boil a bit at present all gifted players have these periods especially when young ( his decision making at present has gone ary )
Who knows what the future holds for him but we are bringing him along the right Way.Yes the big knobs will be watching his progress but he could be a jewel in the crown for us,time will tell but he fits into what Wilder is building (an attacking exciting team ).Patience is still required with him ! Wilder &Knill know what there doing.
 
Everybody’s got there opinions I personally wouldn’t sell but what ever Wilder thinks is best I’ll go along with
 



For once we are in a position where we don’t have to sell a young talent, so why not see how it plays out? We aren’t going to play this current system forever, and Brooks will learn and improve far beyond where he is now.

I think we expect too much of him, and this can affect his decision making. We want him to take his man on every time when maybe a pass and move into space would be a better option.

As for role in the current team, he doesn’t have the passing ability or defensive discipline to play in Duffy’s role, and he’s not an out and out striker (nor have the work rate) to play right up top. His best game by far was in the Derby because he had his own position in a slightly different setup - three midfielders behind him including Bash protecting the back three. Based on this we have to use him sensibly, and use him like we do every other player by playing to his strengths. Asking him to do what Duffy or Sharp do isn’t fair, because that’s not how he plays.

There is another way we could use him, as he naturally drifts wide and looks most comfortable running at defenders down the flanks. Why not put Thomas on the bench, and if we want to change to four at the back during a game we can put on two wingers both with pace, one with great dribbling ability and one a stronger more direct runner, and both can finish well.

I don’t expect to see Brooks leave in January and I think he has a big part to play in the second half of the season.
 
The problem with Brooks isn't really a problem with Brooks at all. It's our reactions to him. After his exploits with England's kids and then after scoring in a friendly against Chesterfield, we've gone in to hype overdrive "Best player I've seen since Currie" "Wouldn't sell him for 350m". Now he's had a few relatively poor games, a natural backlash is starting.

To the OP, I don't think we should cash in as a) I don't think there's really a big queue of clubs to sign him, b) he makes the fans excited. We have no other player like him.

I agree he's got a lot to work on, but the potential (and yes it's still just potential at this stage) is undeniable.

To your assertion that he's contributed virtually nothing aside from one game, one sub appearance and one nutmeg, I can't agree.

It's hard to assess someone's value in points, but by my very flawed logic, he's arguably directly helped earn us around 7 points.

I agree he's got some frustrating elements to his play, and is not ready to start most games. Better as a sub, and for me, better when either we're winning, or the opponents are going for a goal. He needs the space. Is he our Pele? No. Do we have anyone else like him? No.
There’s his superb ball through to Donaldson for the winner at Sunderland, his excellent goal to win the game against Leeds plus his excellent performance against the Pigs which was based on his driving run that won the early free kick.

Football remains a team game and we’ve done very little losing whilst he’s been on the pitch. I think there’s only 4 games when he’s been on when the opposition have scored more goals than us including a game we won. The other 3 are Boro away (where many believe we were denied a point) Cardiff away and Millwall away where it seems no one covered themselves in glory but Brooks scored.

So he’s not great at tracking back yet, so what, it’s the weaker part of Duffys game as well. He’s very positive and will get better going forward.

We’d be stupid to sell.
 
Ok I'll try and counter your arguments this time:

Ah his major contribution is largely unseen . Unseen in a hammondesque manner ?

Face facts , one game one sub appearance and a nutmeg aside hes contributed virtually nothing this season .

This was a facetious remark given nobody had suggested this but it's as if you are saying if there isn't a positive outcome to an action it becomes 'unseen', Brooks is involved with plenty of our play just that it isn't all nutmegs and spectacular goals.

Aside from asking you to tell me what it is exactly that he brings to our team right now, no .

I would however like to clarify something for you and a few others on here though, please don't conflate my assessment of Brooks' worth to our team right now with me claiming Brooks is shit . At no point have I said the lad can't play . What I do claim is that he doesn't offer much at all in our current set up . He doesn't press , he doesn't track back and it's also very difficult for him to claim a place as his own in our current set up . So what do you suggest ? That we change our entire set up to facilitate getting him into the starting 11 ?

Injuries to other players have meant he starts games when he really isn't ready to contribute for 90 minutes, 20 to 30 minutes off the bench is a much better role for now. Should we sell him to give us a war chest for January? No, as already stated this wouldn't really achieve that aim and also the way our transfer policy works, the players we want and can afford are already being investigated now, if we sold Brooks at the first opportunity and got the money instantly it would be for the following transfer window. There are a whole raft of other arguments against his sale but this time next year Brooks will be a better player than now and we will likely be better placed to make a push for promotion, not a bad situation since we are in the play offs and have suffered outrageous fortune in the last month.
 
We in essence sold Walker and Maguire again this summer for a rumoured 5+ million into the bank.

Surly we will use that!?
 
We in essence sold Walker and Maguire again this summer for a rumoured 5+ million into the bank.

Surly we will use that!?
£7.1M from a note in the recent accounts and you think some of it could be used.
 
We in essence sold Walker and Maguire again this summer for a rumoured 5+ million into the bank.

Surly we will use that!?

Did you not see the account thread earlier this week?

In the year to 30/6/17 (i.e before these monies were received), we lost £6m. Somebody has to cover the losses.
https://www.sufc.co.uk/siteassets/downloads/20171129_bll_ra.pdf

KM and HRH may decide to 'invest' (gamble) but please don't think that the sell on windfalls are free money.
 
Is anyone else starting to see the ' bigger picture ' yet ? Here's a clue ....... Ryan fucking Leonard is not the answer!
 
Selling Babbling Brooks and buying Private Ryan is, for this season, the answer.
 

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