Jan Van Winckel

[Chabuddy G]

Would anyone have any issues with him taking a more leading role with regards to recruitment, given how Chris has spent the fortune he's been given on average to middling players (and I'm being kind)?

If you would have any issues with it, for the record, I think you're off you're rocker
And Chris can have no arguments if Princey turns round to him and says 'you can keep your job, but Jan/Jules/Rip is spending the money' if you ask me

 

[TJB.]

Would anyone have any issues with him taking a more leading role with regards to recruitment, given how Chris has spent the fortune he's been given on average to middling players (and I'm being kind)?

If you would have any issues with it, for the record, I think you're off you're rocker
And Chris can have no arguments if Princey turns round to him and says 'you can keep your job, but Jules is spending the money' if you ask me

What's Van Winkel's record on player transfers? Has he signed some belters on the cheap? Made vast profits for his past clubs?

And isn't his name 'Jan'?

 

[JackSUFC]

How much influence does he have on your recruitment PurpleRain?

If he is quite a significant figure at Beerschot then it seems as if he is doing a good job.

 

[Chabuddy G]

What's Van Winkel's record on player transfers? Has he signed some belters on the cheap? Made vast profits for his past clubs?

And isn't his name 'Jan'?

Our resident Beerschot fan might be able to shed some light PurpleRain
But I'd suggest if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have ploughed into the Belgian league for Sander for a start... and there's some real gems in there which cost a hell of a lot less than even Championship players

So it is... who knew?

 

[Chabuddy G]

How much influence does he have on your recruitment PurpleRain?

If he is quite a significant figure at Beerschot then it seems as if he is doing a good job.

There's nothing on his Wiki, he's basically a ghost since 2017, but we know he's had some influence here and there for a start

 

[Dutch Blade]

Not sure if he's the right person for the recruiting job, but surely Wilder gotta focus on his team and tactics and with his terrible record in the PL I don't mind him handing off the transfer duties to someone else.

 

[metalblade]

Would anyone have any issues with him taking a more leading role with regards to recruitment, given how Chris has spent the fortune he's been given on average to middling players (and I'm being kind)?

If you would have any issues with it, for the record, I think you're off you're rocker
And Chris can have no arguments if Princey turns round to him and says 'you can keep your job, but Jan/Jules/Rip is spending the money' if you ask me

No way let the manager pick the players he wants otherwise you end up like the pigs with Doyen supplying random players for a coach to get the best out of. Any manager worth the name would walk without being able to choose who he wants in his team. That not saying they could not work together but the ultimate yes or no choice has to be the managers.

 

[knowsnowt]

Would anyone have any issues with him taking a more leading role with regards to recruitment, given how Chris has spent the fortune he's been given on average to middling players (and I'm being kind)?

If you would have any issues with it, for the record, I think you're off you're rocker
And Chris can have no arguments if Princey turns round to him and says 'you can keep your job, but Jan/Jules/Rip is spending the money' if you ask me

Having issues with someone doing something whilst I know nothing about them makes me off my rocker?
Seeing as you know them so well why not give us the run down so we have some informed choice?

Btw I've a friend in Nigeria whose great with finances. Give him your details or you're off your rocker.

 

[Chabuddy G]

No way let the manager pick the players he wants otherwise you end up like the pigs with Doyen supplying random players for a coach to get the best out of. Any manager worth the name would walk without being able to choose who he wants in his team. That not saying they could not work together but the ultimate yes or no choice has to be the managers.

There isn’t a club in the Premier League part from maybe Burnley where the manager has that sort of control. And we are both in all sorts of trouble. Coincidence?

 

[TJB.]

There's nothing on his Wiki, he's basically a ghost since 2017, but we know he's had some influence here and there for a start

I'm not sure how 'had some influence here and there' equates to 'let him sort transfers from now on'. I don't even know what he really does for us.

 

[Chabuddy G]

I'm not sure how 'had some influence here and there' equates to 'let him sort transfers from now on'. I don't even know what he really does for us.

Ok, well let’s get creative for a second. Don’t stay in a box.

Prince obviously trusts him. Has brought him on board in some capacity. His links obviously enabled us to sign Sander.

If not JVW, would you have an issue with another person on board in charge of transfers?

 

[Pedro Verde]

Our resident Beerschot fan might be able to shed some light PurpleRain
But I'd suggest if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have ploughed into the Belgian league for Sander for a start... and there's some real gems in there which cost a hell of a lot less than even Championship players

So it is... who knew?

If you look in the Beerschot thread PurpleRain has said Van Winkel has been instumental in the good recruitment Beerschot have had
I would welcome his input on the foreign transfer market recommending players for Wilder
I would hope Wilder would be open to this happening

 

[knowsnowt]

This thread is a bit nuts.

 

[Chabuddy G]

This thread is a bit nuts.

For trying to bring us into the 21st century?

 

[Chabuddy G]

If you look in the Beerschot thread PurpleRain has said Van Winkel has been instumental in the good recruitment Beerschot have had
I would welcome his input on the foreign transfer market recommending players for Wilder
I would hope Wilder would be open to this happening

Just had a look. Very interesting. He was clearly instrumental in bringing Berge in so it’s a start. After this window I’d hope we go for a different approach and suspect JVW may just be the man to do that

 

[knowsnowt]

For trying to bring us into the 21st century?

No.. Because you're proposing some. bloke comes in welding a lot of power without selling him to us who know nothing about him.
You're the one suggesting it so why not explain the benefits of your suggestion and give us a bit of info?

 

[SteveBlade]

Wilder absolutely needs someone advising him. I'm not really for someone other than Wilder having control of recruitment, but he clearly needs help.

 

[Chabuddy G]

No.. Because you're proposing some. bloke comes in welding a lot of power without selling him to us who know nothing about him.
You're the one suggesting it so why not explain the benefits of your suggestion and give us a bit of info?

Because he’s obviously the most likely considering his links to the Prince and fact he holds a role already. Do we know what exactly that is? Nope. I can’t give you info I don’t have. I know very little about him too. But he is 100% the most likely to be put into a position like that, considering his links and relationship with our owner.

It would be someone to shoulder the burden with Chris when it comes to transfers. I don’t care if it’s Jan or Dick Whittington - if we want to be an elite club we have to start acting like it from the top down. There’s only Burnley who have a setup like us in the PL currently. Everyone else has a director of football in some capacity with some level of responsibility. Some more than others.

 

[Barney]

Wilder absolutely needs someone advising him. I'm not really for someone other than Wilder having control of recruitment, but he clearly needs help.

Flip side of the coin...if you don't trust the manager with the most fundamental stuff like signing players, should you really want him in that position at all?

 

[Booker4]

I would guess the deal for Berge and for the lad on loan at Beerschot are from Van Winckel's influence and/or recommendations. May be totally wrong, but we are looking more to the foreign market, but within the financial bracket we're in, its equally likely to go wrong as much as it would right buying from abroad. That's a slightly different point to Van Winckel's direct involvement, but if he was playing more of a role, I can see us buying more from abroad, it would be inevitable.

 

[Chabuddy G]

Wilder absolutely needs someone advising him. I'm not really for someone other than Wilder having control of recruitment, but he clearly needs help.

I think how most work are:

Manager gives them a list of positions we need
DOF/whoever comes back and says ‘these are the best options we could get, pick in order of preference
Manager picks
DOF sets the wheels in motion working to the budget

 

[The Crab]

Would anyone have any issues with him taking a more leading role with regards to recruitment, given how Chris has spent the fortune he's been given on average to middling players (and I'm being kind)?

If you would have any issues with it, for the record, I think you're off you're rocker
And Chris can have no arguments if Princey turns round to him and says 'you can keep your job, but Jan/Jules/Rip is spending the money' if you ask me

At this stage I'd quite happily give the keys to the cash tin Jan Michael Vincent. He's a bit dead like.............

 

[knowsnowt]

Because he’s obviously the most likely considering his links to the Prince and fact he holds a role already. Do we know what exactly that is? Nope. I can’t give you info I don’t have. I know very little about him too. But he is 100% the most likely to be put into a position like that, considering his links and relationship with our owner.

It would be someone to shoulder the burden with Chris when it comes to transfers. I don’t care if it’s Jan or Dick Whittington - if we want to be an elite club we have to start acting like it from the top down. There’s only Burnley who have a setup like us in the PL currently. Everyone else has a director of football in some capacity with some level of responsibility. Some more than others.

So basically you want someone you know nowt about to come in and take over player recruitment.
Im not a fan of it if I'm honest.

 

[SteveBlade]

Flip side of the coin...if you don't trust the manager with the most fundamental stuff like signing players, should you really want him in that position at all?

I think you can be a great manager but still require a lot of assistance when it comes to recruitment. A bloke who spends his time managing a squad of players day in day out won't necessarily have a huge knowledge of the best talents around.

I have no real knowledge on this, but I'd assume most managers have huge teams around them offering advice, putting potential targets in front of them, which is the bulk of the work.

Basically what I'm saying is that managers aren't scouts.

 

[knowsnowt]

Only positives I can see here is that when he snuffs it we can all post R. I. P Van Winkcel.
I'll get mi coit.

 

[Stretch]

Wilder has said in the past that he takes advice on transfers, including JVW, so I don't know how much of an active role he already takes?

I always look at recruitment in the round, and ours is nowhere near as disastrous as some make it out to be. The players signed last season, combined with incumbent players enabled us to finish 10th, so they more than paid for themselves.

I will judge this year's transfers towards the end of the season. It isn't looking great now, but a long way to go and plenty of time for players to improve.

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

The problem, imo, isn't the scouting necessarily, it's the budget when the scouting's been done. Has been the same for the past 60 years. During that period we have constantly survived by selling our best players at the wrong time

 

[metalblade]

There isn’t a club in the Premier League part from maybe Burnley where the manager has that sort of control. And we are both in all sorts of trouble. Coincidence?

So you're saying at 18 Premier League clubs some bloke sat in an office all day picks a player on football manager decides to buy him then tells the manager to do summat with him. I'm sure Klopp, Mourinho etc would stand for that.

 

[stringer]

No.. Because you're proposing some. bloke comes in welding a lot of power without selling him to us who know nothing about him.
You're the one suggesting it so why not explain the benefits of your suggestion and give us a bit of info?

Off you're rocker.

 

[JackSUFC]

Flip side of the coin...if you don't trust the manager with the most fundamental stuff like signing players, should you really want him in that position at all?

Most top-level ‘managers’ are classed as ‘head coaches’ nowadays who have support from people at the club who focus on recruitment. It’s the modern way. Not sure Wilder would fancy working this way though as he’s a more old-school hands-on manager.