CONFIRMED Jamie Cobain trials for the development squad

[William Henry Foulkes]

I'm sorry but the "jokes" in this thread are just not funny. I wish I was like you - easily amused.

 

[BerksBlade]

Dave Grohl is currently recovering from a broken leg .... could he be next? Clough would have signed him on that basis alone!

 

[Houston_Blade]

I'm sorry but the "jokes" in this thread are just not funny. I wish I was like you - easily amused.

Oh get back in your heart shaped box if you can't smile.

 

[Ben_1982]

Really puzzled by this one.
Nigel Adkins keeps banging on about the squad being too big - have we fallen so far that a 19 year-old with a handful of U21 games is better than what we've got?

Probably cuz there's gonna be an exodus in January? Get him settled in now ready for a prominent role Jan onwards?

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Really puzzled by this one.
Nigel Adkins keeps banging on about the squad being too big - have we fallen so far that a 19 year-old with a handful of U21 games is better than what we've got?

Agree Berks, fifty odd replies about a youngster who I doubt will get anywhere near the first team, maybe bench in odd cup match.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

My Geordie mate has just told me we've signed this kid from Newcastle on loan...looks like another full back

If he's poor, I may get a bit curt about our signings.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Could it be what's called a "youth loan", hence the player being correct, but it's not a regular loan like Sammon, Edgar and Hammond?

Almost certainly right. He's probably been given the heads up that Newcastle are releasing him, so given him chance to link up with another club. Might well be one of those that starts as a full-back but with time becomes a centre-back. He's tall enough.

 

[wizadry]

Now this player may be a great player for all i know but do we need any more development players or any more full backs when we quite clearly need players for here and now?

We seem to take too many gambles in our transfer strategy and i'd like us to sign players that have proved they can play at this level and know what to expect from the teams in this league, i.e Morsy of Chezzie or John Egan from Gillingham who we coincidently had on loan for a month but only played one game for us, these are two players who would want to impress here who both look to have some of the attributes we are badly lacking and could possibly make the step up to the Championship, that's if we ever do the unthinkable achievement and gain promotion

It's only a development signing, i know, but we don't need players for in two or three years time, we need them now in this hour of need so to speak. Development players are alright if you get the right players in to do the job now, not the way we do it.

 

[SwissBlade]

Now this player may be a great player for all i know but do we need any more development players or any more full backs when we quite clearly need players for here and now?

We seem to take too many gambles in our transfer strategy and i'd like us to sign players that have proved they can play at this level and know what to expect from the teams in this league, i.e Morsy of Chezzie or John Egan from Gillingham who we coincidently had on loan for a month but only played one game for us, these are two players who would want to impress here who both look to have some of the attributes we are badly lacking and could possibly make the step up to the Championship, that's if we ever do the unthinkable achievement and gain promotion

It's only a development signing, i know, but we don't need players for in two or three years time, we need them now.

This is the most short sighted post I've read in a long time. Signing development players one-two years before they're ready is EXACTLY what we should be doing. However it shouldn't be done in isolation, the first team needs furnishing as you say.

Getting young, keen players in is what brought us Che Adams and Kieran Wallace to name two current players. Tonge, Stephen Quinn and Jags all came to us in their latter years of their academy time and they developed with the club. I think Lowton was the same

What we've lacked in the last few years has been that 'plan' the long term strategy. We've focussed a lot on first team failings and we saw the start of it under Clough and now with Adkins. Since Adkins came in we've taken a step backwards slightly/ worked slower as many more of the younger players should be getting farmed out on loan if they're part of the future. Adkins has obviously had bigger issues.

What we really need at the club is a programme whereby even if the manager at the top changes (and this should be on extremely rare occasions), that the system continues. Morgan should be looking to bring players into his u21 side that are almost ready and to prepare them for going on league 2/ non league loans. The ones on between should be out on a variety of loans to suit the player.

The transfers we make should be to top up the quality and compliment what we grow ourselves. The problem I've had with our upper management is that they have been too focussed on today, rather than both today and tomorrow.

At least Theoretically this is how it should work

 

[Tezza1889]

Well, I'm not complaining, I've been critical of Adkins and worried that he's gone for his old boys, Hammond, Woodford, sharp (Billy's work rate excuses him any criticism from me) so he brings a kid in for a bit of match practice in the development side, Unknown, could be a raw diamond that Newcastle could overlook, I remember people saying we should have gone seriously for vardy when he was at stocky, pigs let vardy go, let's hope we gat a player they'll kick themselves for letting go in years to come..

Heard it's only temporary btw, and that he's here to play and be watched by thier back room staff, were doing them a favour, should they not want him, he knows the set up here, who knows...

Good work there Nigel...

 

[wizadry]

This is the most short sighted post I've read in a long time. Signing development players one-two years before they're ready is EXACTLY what we should be doing. However it shouldn't be done in isolation, the first team needs furnishing as you say.

Getting young, keen players in is what brought us Che Adams and Kieran Wallace to name two current players. Tonge, Stephen Quinn and Jags all came to us in their latter years of their academy time and they developed with the club. I think Lowton was the same

What we've lacked in the last few years has been that 'plan' the long term strategy. We've focussed a lot on first team failings and we saw the start of it under Clough and now with Adkins. Since Adkins came in we've taken a step backwards slightly/ worked slower as many more of the younger players should be getting farmed out on loan if they're part of the future. Adkins has obviously had bigger issues.

What we really need at the club is a programme whereby even if the manager at the top changes (and this should be on extremely rare occasions), that the system continues. Morgan should be looking to bring players into his u21 side that are almost ready and to prepare them for going on league 2/ non league loans. The ones on between should be out on a variety of loans to suit the player.

The transfers we make should be to top up the quality and compliment what we grow ourselves. The problem I've had with our upper management is that they have been too focussed on today, rather than both today and tomorrow.

At least Theoretically this is how it should work

Perhaps I shouldn't have wrote "development players are alright if you get the right players in for here and now. Please read it all first Swizzler.

My point is we could be more near the echelons of league 2 before these supposable development players have been developed. Either that or put my glasses on

 

[wizadry]

This is the most short sighted post I've read in a long time. Signing development players one-two years before they're ready is EXACTLY what we should be doing. However it shouldn't be done in isolation, the first team needs furnishing as you say.

Getting young, keen players in is what brought us Che Adams and Kieran Wallace to name two current players. Tonge, Stephen Quinn and Jags all came to us in their latter years of their academy time and they developed with the club. I think Lowton was the same

What we've lacked in the last few years has been that 'plan' the long term strategy. We've focussed a lot on first team failings and we saw the start of it under Clough and now with Adkins. Since Adkins came in we've taken a step backwards slightly/ worked slower as many more of the younger players should be getting farmed out on loan if they're part of the future. Adkins has obviously had bigger issues.

What we really need at the club is a programme whereby even if the manager at the top changes (and this should be on extremely rare occasions), that the system continues. Morgan should be looking to bring players into his u21 side that are almost ready and to prepare them for going on league 2/ non league loans. The ones on between should be out on a variety of loans to suit the player.

The transfers we make should be to top up the quality and compliment what we grow ourselves. The problem I've had with our upper management is that they have been too focussed on today, rather than both today and tomorrow.

At least Theoretically this is how it should work

And if it was that short sighted then why would I be suggesting players who could possibly play in the Championship?

 

[blade too long]

 

[SwissBlade]

Perhaps I shouldn't have wrote "development players are alright if you get the right players in for here and now. Please read it all first Swizzler.

My point is we could be more near the echelons of league 2 before these supposable development players have been developed. Either that or put my glasses on

I think the league is too weak for us to be slipping back into the bottom end of league one again, Weir really didn't grasp things quickly enough and I'm not sure that barring a complete change in ownership and ethos we'd slip down there under Adkins.

I had to read your post a couple of times to understand that you were really dismissing this type of approach.

And if it was that short sighted then why would I be suggesting players who could possibly play in the Championship?

It's been discussed on here before, but the players which will get us to the Championship might not be the ones that can keep us there.

Having said that, we need to be buying players now that fit into the 'Adkins style'

Adkins like Clough before, was selected as the manager to take us forward for 2-3 years, so again, theoretically we should be looking at players with a 3 year plan. It's ok to bring in players for this season as a stop gap, but the forthcoming years are just as important to his job. This is what I've meant before where I've talked about investing in the manager, not just the side. Trust in his principles and style.

Using Hammond and Sammon as examples (not great ones admittedly), he'll be looking to replace these with like for like players next season if we're in league one or in the championship we may want different types of players but still fitting in with the ethos

The development players that we require, again in theory shouldn't change too much. Adkins isn't going to change his style overnight and as long as his style matches the clubs then it should all dovetail nicely.

It's why we have to give time to managers, let them build the first team but also give them that confidence to build up the development side of things as they're just as important.

 

[BushBlade]

As an aside, once again I read criticism of a manager for bringing in 'old boys'. Who doesn't do that? There's maybe one or two but it's a minority. Fergie did, Mourinho did (first time at Chelsea), Bassett did, Warnock did.

 

[Slim Man]

This is a pretty risk free thing.

Take him when he's low cost and a development project and sell him when he's In Bloom for a profit.
Have no idea why everyone wants to Stay Away, look at Matt Lowton, Even In His Youth he didn't look much, it was only when he was 21 he started to get it together.

 

[wizadry]

I think the league is too weak for us to be slipping back into the bottom end of league one again, Weir really didn't grasp things quickly enough and I'm not sure that barring a complete change in ownership and ethos we'd slip down there under Adkins.

I had to read your post a couple of times to understand that you were really dismissing this type of approach.


It's been discussed on here before, but the players which will get us to the Championship might not be the ones that can keep us there.

Having said that, we need to be buying players now that fit into the 'Adkins style'

Adkins like Clough before, was selected as the manager to take us forward for 2-3 years, so again, theoretically we should be looking at players with a 3 year plan. It's ok to bring in players for this season as a stop gap, but the forthcoming years are just as important to his job. This is what I've meant before where I've talked about investing in the manager, not just the side. Trust in his principles and style.

Using Hammond and Sammon as examples (not great ones admittedly), he'll be looking to replace these with like for like players next season if we're in league one or in the championship we may want different types of players but still fitting in with the ethos

The development players that we require, again in theory shouldn't change too much. Adkins isn't going to change his style overnight and as long as his style matches the clubs then it should all dovetail nicely.

It's why we have to give time to managers, let them build the first team but also give them that confidence to build up the development side of things as they're just as important.

Cheers for the reply and a good one at that. I've come to a conclusion though that a lot of people on here read one line of a post and treat that one line as the whole post, it really is hard at times to say what you mean without someone jumping on the bandwagon.

It's pretty obvious to me that you have to plan for the future, that should go without saying but first and foremost here and now is where we are at and this should be sorted now before we fall even further behind, the longer it takes to get to the Championship the harder it will be to stay there.

We'll let one of our best up and coming players go who'll then be replaced by a development player or someone weaker as such, then we start again, maybe if we kept a couple of our key players along with the new ones then I wouldn't question the signing of a development player. We sell our best player every season, you just know it will happen Swizzler.

 

[SwissBlade]

Cheers for the reply and a good one at that. I've come to a conclusion though that a lot of people on here read one line of a post and treat that one line as the whole post, it really is hard at times to say what you mean without someone jumping on the bandwagon.

It's pretty obvious to me that you have to plan for the future, that should go without saying but first and foremost here and now is where we are at and this should be sorted now before we fall even further behind, the longer it takes to get to the Championship the harder it will be to stay there.

We'll let one of our best up and coming players go who'll then be replaced by a development player or someone weaker as such, then we start again, maybe if we kept a couple of our key players along with the new ones then I wouldn't question the signing of a development player. We sell our best player every season, you just know it will happen Swizzler.

Yeah, its very easy to fall into the trap as you say and i do try to respond on the whole post, it just came across as very short sighted. Why is it exclusive that we build for this season and build the development squad? Personally i see the plan as being something which incorporates both. This is what i tried to get across to Jim Phipps a few weeks ago, but he didn't quite get what i meant.

Again, if the club has a plan (i'm sure they do), then they could develop the next Jamie Murphy (Che) etc. We would clearly still be pissed off at selling our best players, but if there is a ready made replacement waiting in the wings, pun intended, then its not as painful to lose these players.

The other thing is that signing Brayford, because of the cost has wound a lot of fans up, by developing our own Kyles and the like, even if they arrive at the lane into their 20's like Che did, they aren't seen as a waste of money.

We're always going to sell our best players, we have to accept that as Blades, but if we time it to our needs rather than as desperately as a smackhead trying for his next fix, then fans will support the board better on these things. I'd imagine that the manager would be happier too if we did it this way.

 

[wizadry]

Yeah, its very easy to fall into the trap as you say and i do try to respond on the whole post, it just came across as very short sighted. Why is it exclusive that we build for this season and build the development squad? Personally i see the plan as being something which incorporates both. This is what i tried to get across to Jim Phipps a few weeks ago, but he didn't quite get what i meant.

Again, if the club has a plan (i'm sure they do), then they could develop the next Jamie Murphy (Che) etc. We would clearly still be pissed off at selling our best players, but if there is a ready made replacement waiting in the wings, pun intended, then its not as painful to lose these players.

The other thing is that signing Brayford, because of the cost has wound a lot of fans up, by developing our own Kyles and the like, even if they arrive at the lane into their 20's like Che did, they aren't seen as a waste of money.

We're always going to sell our best players, we have to accept that as Blades, but if we time it to our needs rather than as desperately as a smackhead trying for his next fix, then fans will support the board better on these things. I'd imagine that the manager would be happier too if we did it this way.

Well if Jim Phipps doesn't get what you mean being one of the main men at the Blades then I'm fucked

Seriously, great post.

 

[Kenilworth]

Fucking hell - will Swizzers and Wizzers get a bloody room?

 

[BushBlade]

Yeah, its very easy to fall into the trap as you say and i do try to respond on the whole post, it just came across as very short sighted. Why is it exclusive that we build for this season and build the development squad? Personally i see the plan as being something which incorporates both. This is what i tried to get across to Jim Phipps a few weeks ago, but he didn't quite get what i meant.

Again, if the club has a plan (i'm sure they do), then they could develop the next Jamie Murphy (Che) etc. We would clearly still be pissed off at selling our best players, but if there is a ready made replacement waiting in the wings, pun intended, then its not as painful to lose these players.

The other thing is that signing Brayford, because of the cost has wound a lot of fans up, by developing our own Kyles and the like, even if they arrive at the lane into their 20's like Che did, they aren't seen as a waste of money.

We're always going to sell our best players, we have to accept that as Blades, but if we time it to our needs rather than as desperately as a smackhead trying for his next fix, then fans will support the board better on these things. I'd imagine that the manager would be happier too if we did it this way.

I read a long article on Moyes' scouting when he was at Everton and it sticks in my mind that, as part of extensive records, he identified players that would 'outgrow' the club and actively identified potential replacements, sometimes two years in advance.

 

[Barney]

Another "What on earth are you doing Adkins?" moment.

It can go to his collection, at least.

 

[ThatJa]

There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be trialing young up and coming players, maybe hes been told by Newcastle that he's not rated, so he's been spotted as someone with potential by one of our scouts and we're taking a closer look at him. Just because Newcastle don't rate him, doesn't mean hes not a good player. We turned down Maradonna, look how that ended up.

It only becomes a problem when we're wasting loans on players that aren't going to get anywhere near the first team, and as has been pointed out already, if he was on loan, he'd be 4th choice.

 

[Sirius]

There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be trialing young up and coming players, maybe hes been told by Newcastle that he's not rated, so he's been spotted as someone with potential by one of our scouts and we're taking a closer look at him. Just because Newcastle don't rate him, doesn't mean hes not a good player. We turned down Maradonna, look how that ended up.

It only becomes a problem when we're wasting loans on players that aren't going to get anywhere near the first team, and as has been pointed out already, if he was on loan, he'd be 4th choice.

Surely, if we are taking players on loan, they should be shoe ins for the first team. I am all for developing players to that end; we have our own to develop, we are not a nursery club, for other clubs, no matter how promissing their offerings.. ONLY starters required ,thank you ,but if possible use our own young up and coming players.