James Hill

[BigBed]

Thing is Bournemouth spent a good number of years in the PL versus our 2yrs so are a much richer club presently.

Like us, they still have parachute payments, but in comparison, they also sold players to balance books after relegation:

2020/21 outs
Ake, Wilson, Ramsdale, Arter = ~£85m

2021/22 outs
Danjuma, Surridge & Rico = ~£25m

That's why we can't compete.

And have better owners.

 

[Scarebus]

Thing is Bournemouth spent a good number of years in the PL versus our 2yrs so are a much richer club presently.

Like us, they still have parachute payments, but in comparison, they also sold players to balance books after relegation:

2020/21 outs
Ake, Wilson, Ramsdale, Arter = ~£85m

2021/22 outs
Danjuma, Surridge & Rico = ~£25m

That's why we can't compete.

They've also just off-loaded Steve cooks wages which probably pays for this lad.

 

[Bladesman]

It will be wages where we can't compete. It is how they have snapped up youngsters before.

 

[BigBed]

On a separate note, any news on Brooks??

 

[Champagneblade]

Thing is Bournemouth spent a good number of years in the PL versus our 2yrs so are a much richer club presently.

Like us, they still have parachute payments, but in comparison, they also sold players to balance books after relegation:

2020/21 outs
Ake, Wilson, Ramsdale, Arter = ~£85m

2021/22 outs
Danjuma, Surridge & Rico = ~£25m

That's why we can't compete.

110m eh?

What we'd do with that eh?

Hang on, scratch that!

 

[Berkshire Blade]

And have better owners.

Certainly richer. Not sure better. They still have a poor ground and not ideal training set up either. If they don't go up soon what do they have to show for it all?

 

[BigBed]

Certainly richer. Not sure better. They still have a poor ground and not ideal training set up either. If they don't go up soon what do they have to show for it all?

Seem to be able to keep going with the low attendance, poor ground though, but, you dont here of anyone coming through their academy do you??

 

[Westran]

To be fair to him for his choice, he has a much better chance at Premier league footy next season, with a team who've spent longer in the PL than us in recent history. Also would probably prefer to live on the south coast or near London than in or close to Sheffield, and they will be able to pay the same or more in wages than us and have a decent record with young players.

Sorry I'm not enraged, but it seems like a no brainer to me

 

[CaptainMorgans]

To be fair to him for his choice, he has a much better chance at Premier league footy next season, with a team who've spent longer in the PL than us in recent history. Also would probably prefer to live on the south coast or near London than in or close to Sheffield, and they will be able to pay the same or more in wages than us and have a decent record with young players.

Sorry I'm not enraged, but it seems like a no brainer to me

Right now, Bournemouth is a way better choice. They've got much better prospects than we do.

 

[Mouth of the South]

Ignoring my partiality to Utd for a second, Bournemouth is a good move for him - they have a decent record of bringing young players through. With Cook moving on, it does leave a gap in the squad. I'm sure he'll also be on a fair bit more there than if he'd joined Utd

 

[TJ blade]

Right now, Bournemouth is a way better choice. They've got much better prospects than we do.

That's probably what hurts, they average 9000 at home we get near on 30000, not there fault I know but it shows how we've got amazing fans when we've done fuck all for 100odd years!

 

[JJBlade]

That's probably what hurts, they average 9000 at home we get near on 30000, not there fault I know but it shows how we've got amazing fans when we've done fuck all for 100odd years!

Yes
But that's because they're happy to play second fiddle to Bournemouth

And years ago it was, Oxford, Wimbledon, Reading, etc who we bowed down to with the "can't compete" bollocks

The reason Bournemouth can outdo us is because after getting relegated they could sell players for a fortune, having bought Premier League quality in the first place.

We haven't got a single player from our Premier League days that we can make a profit on because as usual we couldn't compete

Now we're in the Championship and it's the same old story.....can't compete, won't compete

 

[bertieblade]

Yes
But that's because they're happy to play second fiddle to Bournemouth

And years ago it was, Oxford, Wimbledon, Reading, etc who we bowed down to with the "can't compete" bollocks

The reason Bournemouth can outdo us is because after getting relegated they could sell players for a fortune, having bought Premier League quality in the first place.

We haven't got a single player from our Premier League days that we can make a profit on because as usual we couldn't compete

Now we're in the Championship and it's the same old story.....can't compete, won't compete

we are not happy to play second fiddle to any one, it is a case of needs must.
I think you will find that the reason we are in the financial mess we are in is the fact that the players purchased by mr. Wilder when we got to the premiership have not retained their value. If they had they could be sold and we could start again, but sadly he lumbered us with players that have depreciated in value whilst costing us a fortune in wages.

 

[JJBlade]

we are not happy to play second fiddle to any one, it is a case of needs must.
I think you will find that the reason we are in the financial mess we are in is the fact that the players purchased by mr. Wilder when we got to the premiership have not retained their value. If they had they could be sold and we could start again, but sadly he lumbered us with players that have depreciated in value whilst costing us a fortune in wages.

We'd play second fiddle to Halifax Town if the situation ever arose.

And our fans would clap like demented seals at spending £23 million, £22 million, £20 million on signing a player as long as we are paying Championship wages.

An out of contract player that costs nothing but is on big wages is an absolute no no for us, but the waste in transfer fees and hoping for the best with unproven quality is somehow acceptable.

Other clubs that go down, even the horrendously bad Norwich had bigger assets to sell than us.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

McCabe was useless and held the club back for years. I thought the new Board would be an improvement. I was wrong. They are equally shit with little money and no ambition.

 

[JJBlade]

McCabe was useless and held the club back for years. I thought the new Board would be an improvement. I was wrong. They are equally shit with little money and no ambition.

I think in terms of ambition this boardroom is better

But Premier League wages give you a better chance of maintaining Premier League status than massive transfer fees on unproven players.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Are we certain we ever even in for him or are we all getting pissy over nothing?

 

[The Hecky Flecky Shake]

Gone. Else. Where.

Next please.

 

[247Blade]

Gone. Else. Where.

Next please.

Exactly... wonder if recruitment team realise its January.... anyway who knows just have to wait and see.

 

[Scarebus]

We probably didn't want him anyway.

 

[Pedro Verde]

We'd play second fiddle to Halifax Town if the situation ever arose.

Talking bollocks as usual

And our fans would clap like demented seals at spending £23 million, £22 million, £20 million on signing a player as long as we are paying Championship wages

That was partly Wilders doing with regard to the wages side
He didnt want anybody on vastly more wages than the rest of the squad

An out of contract player that costs nothing but is on big wages is an absolute no no for us,

See above that was Wilders ethos

but the waste in transfer fees and hoping for the best with unproven quality is somehow acceptable.

Again Wilder spent big on those players it seems he was averse to looking at the foreign market

Other clubs that go down, even the horrendously bad Norwich had bigger assets to sell than us.

Norwich had a different model to us, they used the foreign market well and spent sweet FA compared to us

 

[Booker4]

I think in terms of ambition this boardroom is better

But Premier League wages give you a better chance of maintaining Premier League status than massive transfer fees on unproven players.

Paying Premier League wages sounds easy, but then you end up in a bidding war for players that in many cases would rather chose another bigger club anyway - i.e Watkins. Robinson who went to Fulham would have possibly joined us if we'd matched his offer, wasn't that supposed to be £50,000; whatever it is it would likely make him one of our biggest earners. So yes we did need to increase the wage structure but the players we likely wanted would have other suitors. The difference would have been if we'd gone for foreign based players and even on our modest wage bill would still be set for a healthy increase by coming to us last season. So if we do up this season we'll likely have a very different model closer to Brentford's than what we had last time out. I'm all for that, but at the same token I don't entirely blame Wilder, he got decent players at the time, they may not have come off but they were the best we could afford from the domestic market which Wilder preferred and had serve him so well in getting us promoted.

 

[JJBlade]

Paying Premier League wages sounds easy, but then you end up in a bidding war for players that in many cases would rather chose another bigger club anyway - i.e Watkins. Robinson who went to Fulham would have possibly joined us if we'd matched his offer, wasn't that supposed to be £50,000; whatever it is it would likely make him one of our biggest earners. So yes we did need to increase the wage structure but the players we likely wanted would have other suitors. The difference would have been if we'd gone for foreign based players and even on our modest wage bill would still be set for a healthy increase by coming to us last season. So if we do up this season we'll likely have a very different model closer to Brentford's than what we had last time out. I'm all for that, but at the same token I don't entirely blame Wilder, he got decent players at the time, they may not have come off but they were the best we could afford from the domestic market which Wilder preferred and had serve him so well in getting us promoted.

Wages are the thing in the Prem, if there's an objection to Premier League wages the club shouldn't bother trying to get back in it

We've done it the Sheff Utd way for generations, buying players on cheap wages that are worth bugger all, it's always ended up badly

The obsession with cover players, cheaper than our already cheap first team is what always costs us because the club never looks forward, it's always about restriction and never potential

 

[JJBlade]

Talking bollocks as usual

That was partly Wilders doing with regard to the wages side
He didnt want anybody on vastly more wages than the rest of the squad

See above that was Wilders ethos


Again Wilder spent big on those players it seems he was averse to looking at the foreign market


Norwich had a different model to us, they used the foreign market well and spent sweet FA compared to us

I don't really care what Norwich spend, truth is, the worst performing side in Premier League history could get more for ONE PLAYER than we could get for our entire squad

There also isn't one single shred of evidence that uniformity of players salaries works.

Every big club from Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern, Man Utd all have players with vastly different wages

If anything it spurs players on to get rewarded next time the contract is up for discussion

When you know you are at the ceiling of wages, where's the incentive ? Other than to fuck off elsewhere

 

[Bugboyblade]

We probably offered him £35 a week and all the bog rolls he can carry.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

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Thing is Bournemouth spent a good number of years in the PL versus our 2yrs so are a much richer club presently.

Like us, they still have parachute payments, but in comparison, they also sold players to balance books after relegation:

2020/21 outs
Ake, Wilson, Ramsdale, Arter = ~£85m

2021/22 outs
Danjuma, Surridge & Rico = ~£25m

That's why we can't compete.

And their catering dept saved £10k a month on Carbonara when Mousse left.

 

[Pedro Verde]

I don't really care what Norwich spend, truth is, the worst performing side in Premier League history could get more for ONE PLAYER than we could get for our entire squad

There also isn't one single shred of evidence that uniformity of players salaries works.

Every big club from Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern, Man Utd all have players with vastly different wages

If anything it spurs players on to get rewarded next time the contract is up for discussion

When you know you are at the ceiling of wages, where's the incentive ? Other than to fuck off elsewhere

You slag the club/ board off all the time but most of the problems you list above Wilder had quite a lot of influence over
He implemented the wages policy
He was backed in the transfer market
He bought players that didnt improve the first XI
He bought players in whose transfer values have plumetted (apart from Ramsdale)

 

[JJBlade]

You slag the club/ board off all the time but most of the problems you list above Wilder had quite a lot of influence over
He implemented the wages policy
He was backed in the transfer market
He bought players that didnt improve the first XI
He bought players in whose transfer values have plumetted (apart from Ramsdale)

I don't get your point
I think explaining that our players are worth the square root of fuck all is Wilders fault

Even selling Ramsdale didn't result in much profit considering what we initially paid Bournemouth plus the sell on.

 

[Pedro Verde]

We'd play second fiddle to Halifax Town if the situation arose

I presume you mean at board level as I said originally that is bollocks

I don't get your point
I think explaining that our players are worth the square root of fuck all is Wilders fault

Wilder was backed in the transfer market more than any other manager as I have pointed out and tried to explain the Halifax comparison is complete bollocks

 

[GrunkyPeep]

Whenever I hear our fans complaining and moaning about money spent and getting jealous of other clubs for having more money, it just reminds me of that kid on the Harry Potter film that kicks off because he didn't get more presents for his birthday this year.