CONFIRMED Jack Rodwell

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I don’t think some people understand what it would cost us to improve our back 5. They were one to the best defences in the league last year so it’s absolutely fine that CW is just looking for cover. We need creativity if we want to improve on last year and that won’t come cheap. Only place we need to add to at the back now is RWB.
 

People do realise that Jack Rodwell is only 29, everyone is talking like he's over the hill. Sure he's had a terrible few years with Sunderland.
Who knows who else is coming in, maybe a RWB who can also play RCB.
Either way, he's cover for Bash and an option to bring into midfield to see games out. Far from exciting, but does a job
 
BrisBlade said:
I'm perfectly happy with Rodwell getting a new contract. Worst case, he's cover in a few positions. Best case we can get him really firing and have a seriously good player on the books.

I'm more concerned about Jags. I love the guy and reckon he is still an asset to the club in terms of coaching and mentoring. It worries me having a 38 year old as the main cover for Egan.
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This is the nail firmly hit on the head for me. I'm fairly relaxed about Rodwell for exactly the reasons you've mentioned Bris and I'd add that I think Basham being a natural midfielder who has learned to defend (some times ;)) is what has made him so effective in the overlapping role - and I think the same could apply to Rodwell. I'm sure I also remember "experts" (and admittedly these maybe some of the same experts who predicted we'd struggle last season) suggesting when he was a youngster that they could see him making an exceptional centre half when he got older, so who knows.

Jags however, other than possibly coaching I worry about him being first cover for Egan.
 
I have no problem with giving Rodwell another year, I'm pretty confident that when the right player is available that we will spend. A lot of our fans are moaning only because we are not splashing millions out here there and everywhere. I know we have bit the bullet and spent money on Ramsdale but don't forget that opens up another slot for a loan player so that could be turned into an extra outfield player. Looking around there is not a lot of action on transfers anyone would think it was just us not spending big bucks.
 
Plan A for this back in January might have been incidentally to have Retsos assume the backup RCB role. We’d agreed a price when we loaned him – the fact he went back could reflect us not being as impressed with how he’d been doing, or him no longer wanting to stay, or us simply being unwilling to use the cash on him.

If that had been Plan A, and because we want to use the funds we have to strengthen other areas, the options for what is a very specialised/unique position are: i) a punt, as Rodwell had been, where we try and train someone from scratch into the role on a free or for cash; ii) a youngster from the Academy, when it doesn’t seem there’s anyone obvious for the role at this time; iii) Rodwell himself, who knows the group and we’ve already been working on this year.

It probably wasn’t our main plan. But it’s probably an acceptable plan, assuming we strengthen other areas. I think it’s also more than likely that we might bring someone in as RWB cover who might be able to play RCB too.
 
Chele said:
I don’t think some people understand what it would cost us to improve our back 5. They were one to the best defences in the league last year so it’s absolutely fine that CW is just looking for cover. We need creativity if we want to improve on last year and that won’t come cheap. Only place we need to add to at the back now is RWB.
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It's also about having the ready made product. We've seen with Berge that £22m can be spent on potential alone. And that's no disrespect to Berge, he's had enough flashes to show us why he was signed, but he's also had some poor games and made some costly errors. We could spend a lot on a defender and still not actually have a player we were confident of having in our back five for an extended period. Just look at how much City have spent on Ake and it still looks like a bit of a gamble. At least the level that Jags and Rodwell perform at is dependable. Wilder will know what to expect from them.

At some point we're going to have to spend some money on a defender, it might still be this window even, but we also need to fill out the squad, and that means having some players who we can call upon for cup games and in emergencies that will get you by. We're Prem now and you need back up for your back up, you need a team that'll get you through the early cup rounds and allow you to rest first teamers.

We're spending money when it's appropriate. Keep the faith.
 
LoughboroBlade said:
Plan A for this back in January might have been incidentally to have Retsos assume the backup RCB role. We’d agreed a price when we loaned him – the fact he went back could reflect us not being as impressed with how he’d been doing, or him no longer wanting to stay, or us simply being unwilling to use the cash on him.

If that had been Plan A, and because we want to use the funds we have to strengthen other areas, the options for what is a very specialised/unique position are: i) a punt, as Rodwell had been, where we try and train someone from scratch into the role on a free or for cash; ii) a youngster from the Academy, when it doesn’t seem there’s anyone obvious for the role at this time; iii) Rodwell himself, who knows the group and we’ve already been working on this year.

It probably wasn’t our main plan. But it’s probably an acceptable plan, assuming we strengthen other areas. I think it’s also more than likely that we might bring someone in as RWB cover who might be able to play RCB too.
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The positive from the Retsos situation is that at least we are learning to insert clauses where we purchase players if we like them and not if they fancy an easy ride for a few years. We've come a long way since Dean Hammond 😂
 
I should coco said:
We really ought to be buying big name players to improve the cost of our squad.
I'm thinking that Steven Fletcher, Jordan Rhodes and Sam Whinnall would go down well with some of our fans.
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Only the "special" ones
 
I'm still utterly perplexed by Jack Rodwell

We have Ampadu to cover for Bash
We have Norwood to cover for Berge

As far as I'm aware, Rodwell couldn't really play in a more attacking role, and yet here we are. We desperately need someone else at RCM and yet he's taking up a spot.
 
Saw him a couple of times for Sunderland, and a few times for Blackburn and against fylde for us and never saw anything other than a league 1 player. That might be being generous to Rodwell as at the moment Paul Coutts is a league 1 player and he is 100 times better than Rodwell.
 
He was retained as required cover for Bash long before Ampadu's loan was secured and the Bogle signing.

Along with Jags and Bryan, I suppose we can mark it up to CWAK not having the benefit of hindsight. A loan out for him and KB would maybe help a little financially.

UTB
 
FredZeppelin said:
He was retained as required cover for Bash long before Ampadu's loan was secured and the Bogle signing.

Along with Jags and Bryan, I suppose we can mark it up to CWAK not having the benefit of hindsight. A loan out for him and KB would maybe help a little financially.

UTB
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Total waste of a wage never played and never will do. Why...
 
It’s a strange one, love to know what sort of wage he’s stealing at the minute as he sure isn’t going to get a game of football at our club.
 

FredZeppelin said:
He was retained as required cover for Bash long before Ampadu's loan was secured and the Bogle signing.
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He’s moved from being cheap cover for Bash to cheap extra squad cover along with Jags. It’s hilarious that people think we won’t have players in the squad we hope we never have to play, and who are there in case we really have a problem with large numbers out.

I might be wrong though, and it seems like the midst of a pandemic where positive tests can unexpectedly rule players out is an excellent time to experiment with a smaller squad. Let’s go with 18 and sell/loan the rest.
 
I've got nothing against the lad, but I'd rather have used his wages on someone younger who we can develop.

We presumably planned to sign a cover for bash and a RWB, which we did. I have no idea then, after he hardly played last season why we gave him a new contract. You can see Jag, for experience, kind of. But Rodwell.

On the face of it it seems like a waste of a squad place and several thousand pounds per week. for someone who was never going to play.
 
AWetFlannel said:
We need a squad of players, why pay fees for players that are unlikely to ever play?

If not Rodwell, who?
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Id rather throw in an academy prospect for a game if covid /injuries takes hold. Rodwell is a complete waste of time and money.
 
Dark muffy said:
Id rather throw in an academy prospect for a game if covid /injuries takes hold. Rodwell is a complete waste of time and money.
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Which can:

a) Lead do us playing players that aren't ready/will never be ready for National League football in the Premier League.

b) Reduce the standard and quality of training throughout the week as a result.

c) Disrupt the learning and development of the kid. He should be training and getting games in the academy, not sitting on the bench just in case.

d) Be unfair to the kid who gets thrown in to the deep end, severely damaging their confidence.

There's a reason that clubs choose not to do this. There's a reason people talk about needing a 'stronger squad'.
 
I see what your saying and mostly agree with your points, but I'm not talking about throwing in a kid who's never likely to make it or isn't good enough to last a week of first team training. I think these days it must seem like the end goal of making a first team squad is a million miles away, particularly in the Premier league. If more opportunities were presented (to those who are knocking on the door in the academy) surely it would be beneficial and motivate them even further to push on, I know it would me if I was in the academy. I'd much rather see them in a match day squad than dead wood like Rodwell. I dont think it did any harm to the likes of Kahn, Reid, Calvert lewin when Clough gave them a chance v Toytown before our fa cup semi.
 
AWetFlannel said:
Which can:

a) Lead do us playing players that aren't ready/will never be ready for National League football in the Premier League.

b) Reduce the standard and quality of training throughout the week as a result.

c) Disrupt the learning and development of the kid. He should be training and getting games in the academy, not sitting on the bench just in case.

d) Be unfair to the kid who gets thrown in to the deep end, severely damaging their confidence.

There's a reason that clubs choose not to do this. There's a reason people talk about needing a 'stronger squad'.
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Apologies the previous post was meant as a reply to you, but forgot the reply button:rolleyes:
 

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