It's time HRH

[LudlamBlade]

For the record, I'm still a believer in Wilder but this article makes some good points about what Hassenhuttl has achieved at Southampton and how he did it, by changing the system instead of refusing to budge. Food for thought!

 

[Oldun]

well im guessing at least 2 out of the 3 that went down last season will be going back up so i think we would have every chance of doing the same cw/ak have done it once you know they know what it takes i would fancy us strongly

I worry about the impact that this season will have on next season. Just like our momentum from the promotion season likely had a big part to play in our success last season, if this season carries on the same way it has started it will be a big ask to change the mentality within the squad and pick them up for another go at promotion. Wilder might have got us promoted from the Championship once but I don’t think it will be an easy task if this season has been a complete battering.

 

[Tynemouth Blade]

I worry about the impact that this season will have on next season. Just like our momentum from the promotion season likely had a big part to play in our success last season, if this season carries on the same way it has started it will be a big ask to change the mentality within the squad and pick them up for another go at promotion. Wilder might have got us promoted from the Championship once but I don’t think it will be an easy task if this season has been a complete battering.

It's pointless worrying because it will definitely have an effect on next season, whether it's the loss of players ( well at least the ones we'd want to keep) to the obvious effect it will have on confidence throughout the club, a confidence which is already shot!
Next season will be a rebuilding exercise season, with which we can only hope that we have enough to survive and develop.

 

[ancientblade]

I worry about the impact that this season will have on next season. Just like our momentum from the promotion season likely had a big part to play in our success last season, if this season carries on the same way it has started it will be a big ask to change the mentality within the squad and pick them up for another go at promotion. Wilder might have got us promoted from the Championship once but I don’t think it will be an easy task if this season has been a complete battering.

doesnt seem to have bothered the 3 that went down last season especially norwich who got hammered every week think their top of the championship arnt they ? were better than all 3 of em do agree with another poster however chris has to be less stubborn and change this system imo teams know how to set up against it now 4 - 3 - 3 for me next season whichever league were in

 

[ZLB]

to make a change. I've seen so many teams go down because they were too slow to change the manager. Wilder looks and sounds defeated. His team selections and substitutions are baffling. Bryan, McBurnie, Norwood should never have played tonight. I still believe with Brewster, Mousset and Burke up front, we can stay up. Berge in the holding role where he is best suited, Osborne far more game time. There's one man who can change all this, instil confidence in this group of players. He's been there and done it before. Big Sam. I expect a whole lot of abuse but I love this football club and we're down if we carry on as we are.

 

[ThatJa]

I don't want Wilder sacked, but I do want him to be held responsible for the gameplans. We have a Plan A but no Plan B or C, we're sticking with a formation that only works when we have a full strength squad to choose from, which atm we don't. Stevens (although out of form) and JOC both know the system inside out. We just simply can't play a 5-3-2/3-5-2 without the key players that make it work, so why are we still sticking with it? Bash has played in a back 4 before, as has Egan, they should be fine with playing in a back 2. Baldock and Stevens both played LB/RB aswel.

I would personally like to see us set up with a similar formation to this

Ramsdale

Baldock
Egan
Basham
Baldock

Lundstram
Berge
Fleck

Mousset (wide player)
McBurnie (central striker)
Burke (wide player)

 

[Bayingblade]

I believe it was Winston Churchill who said something along the lines of look to the past to learn how to shape your future and my view is we should do the same. I remember 1976, 1994 and 2006. Each time we set a course for change, which brought uncertainty and discarded continuity. On each occasion we finished up in the lower leagues and it took us 13 years to get back. While nothing is certain, there are good examples of clubs who hold their nerve, stick with the manager and make a swift return. Norwich may repeat that this season. Some of them come back stronger, Burnley for one.

For me, continuity is the main driver and if we have to go down to come back, so be it. Keeping CW will guarantee continuity. I believe he will have learned lessons this season which will make him an even better manager. We need to hold our nerve. Finally, I would ask this question, if we do sack CW and a club like Sunderland, Forest, Derby, Birmingham, Cardiff, Portsmouth or even our feathered cousins from South Barnsley were looking for a manager, who do you believe would top their wanted list? Eddie Howe? Big Sam? Or Chris Wilder?

Think on.

 

[forged blade]

what crap if big sams the answer then god I hope we all ready for league one again if we do go down lets keep chris and lets do a Norwich and bournmouth and go for it in championship we all hurting but let all be united

 

[metalblade]

Unfortunately Baz, you’re not that intelligent either.

When you’re approaching 60, the mind starts to forget little things that it once remembered. Must be quite irritating, I can’t relate. One of those little things you seem to forget is that being a fairly decent sized area of Sheffield, Birley is likely to have a couple of thousand football fans from either side of the city. It’s probably highly likely there’s a ‘Birley Owl’, you’ve probably researched it, you seem sad enough.

Must be me, eh.

I notice you shorten Barry to Baz is that like BazzaboiBannan a clear sign of a grunter

 

[Bellypork]

It's far too early to make any predictions/decisions about Wilder IMO. Could anyone do better with this squad? Probably not, so I'm not sure that changing the manager would help the club this season. But there's always tomorrow in sport, and next season has to be considered. If United are relegated, then a repetition of 2007 needs to be avoided; the best time to get back up is as soon as possible after going down. Who leads the team in my view depends upon what happens between now and the end of the season. At present, the team is still playing for Wilder. Although the team's losing, it's not losing heavily. If that continues then there's every chance Wilder will be in situ next season. However if the team starts to lose heavily on a weekly basis - and the fans will return at some point - then by the end of the season Wilder remaining may not be an option and/or he may not want to stay.

 

[MobileBlade]

I don't want Wilder sacked, but I do want him to be held responsible for the gameplans. We have a Plan A but no Plan B or C, we're sticking with a formation that only works when we have a full strength squad to choose from, which atm we don't. Stevens (although out of form) and JOC both know the system inside out. We just simply can't play a 5-3-2/3-5-2 without the key players that make it work, so why are we still sticking with it? Bash has played in a back 4 before, as has Egan, they should be fine with playing in a back 2. Baldock and Stevens both played LB/RB aswel.

I would personally like to see us set up with a similar formation to this

Ramsdale

Baldock
Egan
Basham
Baldock

Lundstram
Berge
Fleck

Mousset (wide player)
McBurnie (central striker)
Burke (wide player)

That Baldock is some player.

 

[jono_t2000]

I thought after the first 5 matches of this season that if Wilder was too stubborn to change the shape, then the board needed to make a change.

However I think its too late now. With almost 1/3rd of the season completed and only 1 point, the only option really now is to stick with Wilder until the very end.

 

[Keen Blade]

If the Prince had cash to throw at the Club he would probably sack CW in a heartbeat.
Admittedly , some of the PL income has to service the mortgage on the Lane.
But CW has spunked every last penny of the remaining PL income and we are relegation material.
So it's a no brainer.
If the Prince had any cash.
But I doubt it.
So nothing available for fees & wages in January.
So nothing a new manager can really do , so no point incuring the severance costs.
So CW stays until he's heartbroken , which isn't good for his health or the Club.
Let's hope some of these underperforming players start to show some loyalty and respect for CW.

 

[BanderSerge]

The team we have now will rip the championship a new arsehole, if we were to go down. We only lose JoC and Berge and CWAK will replace to get us up in a canter.

 

[BushBlade]

I don't want Wilder sacked, but I do want him to be held responsible for the gameplans. We have a Plan A but no Plan B or C, we're sticking with a formation that only works when we have a full strength squad to choose from, which atm we don't. Stevens (although out of form) and JOC both know the system inside out. We just simply can't play a 5-3-2/3-5-2 without the key players that make it work, so why are we still sticking with it? Bash has played in a back 4 before, as has Egan, they should be fine with playing in a back 2. Baldock and Stevens both played LB/RB aswel.

I would personally like to see us set up with a similar formation to this

Ramsdale

Baldock
Egan
Basham
Baldock

Lundstram
Berge
Fleck

Mousset (wide player)
McBurnie (central striker)
Burke (wide player)

Egan and Basham in a back four. FFS

 

[Holmfirth Blade 1977]

Another idiot on my ignore list, its been a busy year!

 

[JJBlade]

The team we have now will rip the championship a new arsehole, if we were to go down. We only lose JoC and Berge and CWAK will replace to get us up in a canter.

Won't happen that way, it never has, and it never will

Even if we are excellent (which I doubt we will be following on from this season) there will always be somebody we'll play second fiddle to.

 

[Booker4]

I heard that Maupay was all ready to sign and had agreed terms, shirt on the pitch etc. And the agent phoned CW and asked for what he described as a sweetener.
Wilder obviously told him to do one.

Not the best source but a decent one.

Whilst it is acknowledged that we pay low wages in this division there is no doubt that as a matter of principal we refuse to bend over to agents demands.

Wouldn't surprise me either. He's done well for Brighton but not that well, if Mousset was ever fully fit he'd be of a similar standard.

 

[DannyRotten]

Oink oink oink.. Anyone else read it like that?

So predictable from you and some others here.

 

[Upton_Blade]

its an interesting point youve brought up there jj weve paid the fees but to players that would accept a low salary maybe we should have done it the other way round who knows

I've always wondered about this when the old adage of squad harmony is concerned re wages. Surely footballers aren't that stupid that they don't realise the total value of a deal as opposed to just what someone's weekly wage is?

Take some of our recent dealings. Wages are estimates.

Oli McB: Fee £18m, Wage £35k pw, 3 year deal = Total Deal Cost £23.46m

Brewster: Fee £23m, Wage £35k pw, 5 year deal = Total Deal Cost £32.1m

Sander Berge: Fee £22m, Wage £40k pw, 4 year deal = Total Deal Cost £30.3m

Now these below aren't in any way players I think we were ever in for or I'm suggesting we should have signed but just trying to show the relative costs of the total deal.

Ryan Fraser: Fee £0, Wage £100k pw, 3 year deal = Total Deal Cost £15.6m

Josh King: Fee £10m, Wage £80k pw, 3 year deal = Total Deal Cost £22.48m

 

[Upton_Blade]

Won't happen that way, it never has, and it never will

Even if we are excellent (which I doubt we will be following on from this season) there will always be somebody we'll play second fiddle to.

Norwich finished the season as follows:

PL 10
W 0
D 1
L 9
GF 1
GA 24

They're doing alright or are you saying Farke is better than Wilder?

 

[BanderSerge]

Won't happen that way, it never has, and it never will

Even if we are excellent (which I doubt we will be following on from this season) there will always be somebody we'll play second fiddle to.

You mean like Bournemouth Norwich and Watford lording over it?

 

[JJBlade]

You mean like Bournemouth Norwich and Watford lording over it?

We're not Bournemouth, Norwich or Watford
I'd have at least ten players from each of those clubs in place of ours

 

[BanderSerge]

All 3 finished a million miles below us last season, derrrrrr.

 

[Le Cynique]

You mean like Bournemouth Norwich and Watford lording over it?

On last 6 form Watford are 11th in the table, so I don’t really think you can say they’re ‘lording it’. In fact they’re level on points with 4th and 5th and only three points off 7th (who have a game in hand).

In addition, two of those teams have a different manager to last season.

I don’t know why people continue to spout bollocks without actually checking facts which are easily accessible, but I guess we live in an age where objective data is seen as suspicious and everyone thinks their uninformed opinion carries weight.

 

[Upton_Blade]

We're not Bournemouth, Norwich or Watford
I'd have at least ten players from each of those clubs in place of ours

Go on then I'll bite.

You seriously think there's 30 players at those clubs that are better than ours???

Name them

 

[BanderSerge]

On last 6 form Watford are 11th in the table, so I don’t really think you can say they’re ‘lording it’. In fact they’re level on points with 4th and 5th and only three points off 7th (who have a game in hand).

In addition, two of those teams have a different manager to last season.

I don’t know why people continue to spout bollocks without actually checking facts which are easily accessible, but I guess we live in an age where objective data is seen as suspicious and everyone thinks their uninformed opinion carries weight.

Spout bollocks? Let’s have a bet then? That’s my 3 to get promoted. Name your 3 and the price.

 

[Le Cynique]

Spout bollocks? Let’s have a bet then? That’s my 3 to get promoted. Name your 3 and the price.

I'm not saying that they won't get promoted, I'm saying that your assertion that Watford are 'lording it' is wrong, based on the evidence. Additionally, two of the teams you put forward have changed their manager from last season, which is the very thing you're advocating against ("The team we have now will rip the championship a new arsehole, if we were to go down. We only lose JoC and Berge and CWAK will replace to get us up in a canter.")

I have no idea who'll get promoted, as who knows what will happen throughout the course of the season? What I won't do is bellow my opinion as though it was fact and try to make out that I'm some amazing seer with preternatural abilities to prophesy the future.

 

[BanderSerge]

What I won't do is bellow my opinion as though it was fact and try to make out that I'm some amazing seer with preternatural abilities to prophesy the future.

You say more about yourself than me here, unfortunately. If I’ve shagged your Mrs without knowing, I apologise

 

[JJBlade]

All 3 finished a million miles below us last season, derrrrrr.

Don't see the relevance, all three would murder us at the moment,

And none of them were as bad as we are now