It's a praise for the MK Dons experience

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

They also have a Desso.

For all you Desso fanatics out there.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I was talking about facts (and the use of them) more generally. Entirely valid in the circumstances, I'd have thought. Especially bearing in mind the character of some of the people (e.g. Sam Hammam) involved in the Wimbledon/MK Dons case.

You seem keen to restrict any debate to how kindly and selfless Pete Winkelman is. But his financial motivations in all this were/are pretty base.

This article mentions the Wimbledon/MK relocation as being “the high water mark for attempts to paint football as some sort of free market”. It's a sordid affair and Pete Winkelman has played a knowingly and majorly sordid role in it too.

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifesty...-manchester-united-didn-t-cause-universal-joy

Restrict debate? Really? Have some sweet tea and a lie down Alf. Then you may stop making things up.

As I said, show me where anything in the timeline as to the actual events ive quoted was wrong.

 

[Sean Thornton]

They also have a Desso.

For all you Desso fanatics out there.

Well then I take it all back. Torches and pitchforks out, arm yourselves with Argos catalogues if you're a bit Walterish.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

No. New Wimbledon aren't entitled to them either. Merton council have them. Wimbledon FC don't exist, haven't done for years.

They did nowt to win them either. Perhaps MK Dons and AFC Wimbledon should have an annual fixture to decide who keeps the cups for the year. Be better than Merton Council. Either that or a football history museum.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Restrict debate? Really? Have some sweet tea and a lie down Alf. Then you may stop making things up.

As I said, show me where anything in the timeline as to the actual events ive quoted was wrong.

All I'm saying is you've been (deliberately) selective, rather than wrong. In seeking to portray Pete Winkelman as the "good guy" in all of this and in support of your suggestion that there's nothing really wrong in this (unprecedented and financially motivated) affair of a football club moving cities.

The tea and lie down sounds good

 

[Sean Thornton]

No I said he could have invested in a Milton Keynes club which he could have years earlier.

He also could have invested and kept Wimbledon in London building a new ground there without the club moving. Yes, Koppel got approval from the FA for the move but Winkleman still bought the club after and set them up at the Hockey Stadium.

"Maybe not but the chance was there to invest in MKC and pull them out of non-league. They didn't need to move Wimbledon and their supporters."

He didn't move them. The previous owners did. As I said.

Wimbledon first played at the hockey club didn't they? In 2003. PW bought the club/assets the following year.

No one before had succeeded in finding a plot for a ground in London. For many years.

 

[Sean Thornton]

All I'm saying is you've been (deliberately) selective, rather than wrong. In seeking to portray Pete Winkelman as the "good guy" in all of this and in support of your suggestion that there's nothing really wrong in this (unprecedented and financially motivated) affair of a football club moving cities.

The tea and lie down sounds good

Again.ive pointed out the inaccuracies posted about the events. Some seem to think that he bought them then moved them.

 

[snootyfenooty]

I don't know what's happened to this forum in the past couple of months. All this faux outrage on a topic which has fuck all to do with us and which few of us have any interest, Wimbledon ffs, a poxy little club with a poxy ground with disinterested shitty fans who disappeared into obscurity. As did Barrow, Southport, Gateshead and Accrington fucking Stanley and as will Coventry City. Who gave a shit about them? Me neither. Then Winkleman comes along, puts his money in and resurrects the club his way and he becomes the devil's spawn in the eyes of S24SU. Wimbledon should stick to fucking tennis anyway.

 

[Bladesman]

"Maybe not but the chance was there to invest in MKC and pull them out of non-league. They didn't need to move Wimbledon and their supporters."

He didn't move them. The previous owners did. As I said.

Wimbledon first played at the hockey club didn't they? In 2003. PW bought the club/assets the following year.

No one before had succeeded in finding a plot for a ground in London. For many years.

I said "They" not Winkleman by they I mean everyone involved with demise of Wimbledon had nothing stopping them from creating or investing in Milton Keynes without the need of moving a club there. Ron had a go and failed and it should have been left at that.

AFC Wimbledon have been able to find a plot on Plough Lane surprisingly enough.

 

[sitwell]

As a Sheffield United fan ,I have just had one of those weekends that I will not forget and a lot of it was down to MK Dons FC. They have grown up as a club ,its about entertainment and enjoyment and they helped hugely towards a great experience. Changed my opinion of them totally and good luck to them. There are hundreds of clubs struggling like fuck to keep alive ,some do ,some don't ,I really hope Orient do ,but it cant be our concern.

 

[Bladesway]

You could say the same for anyone buying the assets of a club that's gone into liquidation and simply taking the place of a legal entity that no longer exists.

They should start at the bottom and they shouldn't be allowed to take it to another City.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Missed out a *not* at the end. Shit.

Call yourself a well-loved icon? I'll go back and give a like now.

 

[metalblade]

The problem is that loads of current league clubs were formed by merges and/or killing other clubs.
Another example is Arsenal were Woolwich Arsenal playing in South London, imagine the uproar when they re-located into North London, now it's all forgotten and no one is bothered, the same will apply to MKD In a few decades.

I do agree though that it would be a good idea to drop the "Dons" name and have a name or knickname specific to MK like the "concrete cows" etc. "Come on you concrete cows" ha ha

Not quite the same thing Woolwich is only 11 miles away from Highbury, not the 70 odd to milton keynes

 

[Sean Thornton]

They should start at the bottom and they shouldn't be allowed to take it to another City.

So should lots have clubs who went bust. Didn't happen before, why should it happen to them?

As for the other City bit, I pretty much agree. However no one in London wanted them - as far as staying and playing in a stadium is concerned. The only alternative at the time was administration. Which is how it ended up.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I said "They" not Winkleman by they I mean everyone involved with demise of Wimbledon had nothing stopping them from creating or investing in Milton Keynes without the need of moving a club there. Ron had a go and failed and it should have been left at that.

AFC Wimbledon have been able to find a plot on Plough Lane surprisingly enough.

So it's not just PW then? Glad we've sorted that out.

Good for them. Only took around 36 years.

 

[Tyler Durden]

So it's not just PW then? Glad we've sorted that out.

Good for them. Only took around 36 years.

14 actually.

 

[Sean Thornton]

14 actually.

Ron Noades started in 79.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Ron Noades started in 79.

But that was the Wimbledon who, as you've stated many times, don't exist anymore.

 

[Sean Thornton]

But that was the Wimbledon who, as you've stated many times, don't exist anymore.

I thought they did in spirit?

 

[Tyler Durden]

I thought they did in spirit?

Well they're either a club who died, were resurrected and have finally returned to their spiritual home.

Or they're a totally new entity who have in 14 short years attained league status and secured a stadium in a location they quite like.

Heartwarming story in both cases, I'm sure we all agree.

 

[Bladesman]

So it's not just PW then? Glad we've sorted that out.

Good for them. Only took around 36 years.

I thought got permission to build and move to a new ground in the late 80's?

They never needed to sell Plough Lane in the first place. Hammam should have just brought the ground up to standard after the Taylor report.

 

[Rusty view]

Opening my curtains this morning see the pitch with 2 balloons blowing across the pitch, one red one white sued up a fantastic weekend.

Despite its location and history (or lack of) the ran a good show.

One thing with the modern stadout is once inside there are plenty of facilities. We got in around 2.15 and got served straight away. No queuing to relieve one self either.

Utb.

 

[Silent Blade]

Milton Keynes is the largest town in Europe not to have a football team. .

Population of Wakefield 325,000
Population of MK 248,000

 

[Sheffsteel]

Population of Wakefield 325,000
Population of MK 248,000

Maybe its MK is the fastest growing town not the biggest without a club.

Suspect most of the Wakefield lot support Leeds United. Just shows how poor the support from within Leeds is for their football team.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

I don't know what's happened to this forum in the past couple of months. All this faux outrage on a topic which has fuck all to do with us and which few of us have any interest, Wimbledon ffs, a poxy little club with a poxy ground with disinterested shitty fans who disappeared into obscurity. As did Barrow, Southport, Gateshead and Accrington fucking Stanley and as will Coventry City. Who gave a shit about them? Me neither. Then Winkleman comes along, puts his money in and resurrects the club his way and he becomes the devil's spawn in the eyes of S24SU. Wimbledon should stick to fucking tennis anyway.

Am sure I heard a chant against Milwall, something about "We hate Cockneys..", but apparently not if they from the posh part of London and deserted their team when they were not successful.

 

[Rodders]

Population of Wakefield 325,000
Population of MK 248,000

Maybe its MK is the fastest growing town not the biggest without a club.

Suspect most of the Wakefield lot support Leeds United. Just shows how poor the support from within Leeds is for their football team.

Wakefield is a city; one of the largest in the country without a professional team, but I believe the honour of the largest City without a professional team goes to Dudley. There is somewhat a Leeds contingent here, and in my personal experience a sizeable Liverpool following; but overall Wakey's just not a football town - it's solely Rugby League.
The local paper devotes half a page to Leeds, and a paragraph each to Huddersfield and Barnsley 4 pages into the Sport section but the rest is rugby/amateur sports

 

[Upton_Blade]

Maybe its MK is the fastest growing town not the biggest without a club.

Suspect most of the Wakefield lot support Leeds United. Just shows how poor the support from within Leeds is for their football team.

They do indeed. I cover Wakefield with work, which is connected to sport, and they are mostly Dirty Leeds fans there with a smattering of glory hunter teams ie Manure and Liverpool.

Probably more general Rugby League fans than football though.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I thought got permission to build and move to a new ground in the late 80's?

They never needed to sell Plough Lane in the first place. Hammam should have just brought the ground up to standard after the Taylor report.

Yep. In 1988. That's where the stories start to get muddy.

The first link explains how Merton Council enabled Hamman to sell Plough Lane. And the apology they made to AFCW.

The second goes into more detail over the deal which saw the council accept £800k to let the planning change with little stipulation or prohibitions. Fancy that!

Maybe the real bogeymen should be MBC and Hamman rather Winkleman who was ultimately able to do the deal due to a few quid changing hands in the late eighties?

Food for thought?


http://www.wimbledonguardian.co.uk/news/9080884.display/



http://www.cpfc.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-23137.html

 

[JJ Sefton]

Decent stadium but in the middle of nowhere and MK Dons and their fans are just a bunch of cunts playing at being a football club.

 

[Silent Blade]

Wakefield is a city; one of the largest in the country without a professional team, but I believe the honour of the largest City without a professional team goes to Dudley. There is somewhat a Leeds contingent here, and in my personal experience a sizeable Liverpool following; but overall Wakey's just not a football town - it's solely Rugby League.
The local paper devotes half a page to Leeds, and a paragraph each to Huddersfield and Barnsley 4 pages into the Sport section but the rest is rugby/amateur sports

Just googled Dudley's population . 312,000

Wakefield FC (formerly Emley) got wound up in 2014