Is Wilder’s Ego the Issue?

[A Storm of Blades]

I think he went with HIS best team last Saturday and had told them, right you put it right at Boro or else. I think he has given them a second chance - but they've fluffed it now. I fully expect Duffy, Sharp and Woodburn to start next game. If that happens then all credit to CW as he would seem to be doing right by his team.

We shall see but I was not there tonight and I will surmise the following game lines up as :

Hendo

Basham
Egan
JOC

Freeman
Stevens

Fleck
Woodburn
Duffy

Sharp
McGoldrick

That's unless we sign anyone before the game.

Still early days and plenty of time to sort it out.

UTMB

I like your optimism but what’s different now to the 20-odd games at the backend of last season, where it wasn’t working and not corrected?

 

[SUFC Guy]

We burnt out and were unable to bring in fresh legs I reckon mate. I'm hoping that a good freshen up now will sort it sooner rather than later.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Someone on twitter is telling porkies, came over with the players.

I'm shocked. Shocked. That someone believes what they read on there.

 

[Dickens67]

I believe the constant negativity and carping is not helping the team. Wilder is trying his upmost best, yet he gets constant slagging off and carping from "keyboard experts"". Who have never even managed. Talk about bloody ungrateful!! All this slagging and carping is creating is a poisonous atmosphere which is likely to explode at some stage.. If your so upset with the way the team is managed or following the team, maybe its time to think of doing something else. There are plenty of alternatives.. I believe he will get it right if left alone. What so many cannot get into their bloody heads, is that the club is swimming against the tide of clubs with much more money, and yet suitable alternatives are to be picked out of thin air with not even a mention of suitable alternatives. It ain't that simple.

 

[Dickens67]

if its so bad, leave the supporting to others..

 

[8lade]

it is the fact he's trying to put a team together to beat two teams who have recently been in the Prem

One of whom we beat last year and were unlucky not to get a draw in the other game. If we look shit he needs to sort it, beaten by better teams ala Fulham and Wolves last year we're ok with, not turning up we aren't.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

No.... Wilder has more knowledge and experience of football management in his left toe than this entire message board membership put together.

It's not his ego to blame, it is the fact he's trying to put a team together to beat two teams who have recently been in the Prem and who have squads and budgets vastly superior to ours.

To do well, we need to be "on it" every single game. We haven't been any where near "on it" so far, and he's got to work his magic to get us back "on it".

Leave him to it and stop whinging and whining

Yes & no. He’s an ex player & a professional manager, but he’s currently doing some odd things & is making some odd choices. I’m eternally grateful for what he’s done, but lets not pretend he’s a diety & beyond reproach.

He is responsible for signing Thomas, Holmes, Leonard, Evans & Lundstram (carruthers if you’re being harsh). He signed McGolderick when we desperately need pace. He seems loathed to play BS and Duffy. He won’t drop/sub Clarke. The keeper switch has unsettled us. His subs are odd and usually come at the wrong time, involve the wrong people & destabilise us. And our set piece set up, both attacking & defending is deteriating to semi pro level. The Sunderland palaver was odd. Our form over the last 30 games is going one way. I’m not calling for his head, but he’s certainly opening himself for fair criticism from people who haven’t his experience or knowledge.

 

[Bladezz]

Didn’t applaud the away following tonight according to twitter.

Either he is so angry he couldn’t wait to get to the dressing room or he’s going to walk.

I was there and he did.

 

[Booker4]

Wilder was short with Staton but surely we can allow him to be pissed off after that performance and sometimes don't we all vent! I can't believe how some fans are suggesting he's to blame, his ego is to big etc. Yes I wouldn't pick Evans and Lundstram together but we didn't lose because of that we lost because we defended awfully and going forward we look slow, lethargic and I'm not sure even Duffy and/or Woodburn would have changed that first half such was the bad defending and putting us on the back foot.

For those questioning his signings I think we can all agree he's signed some belters too and I still believe Lundstram, Evans and Leonard could make it with us, but only time will tell. They were never going to be the finished article and it took Coutts over two seasons before we saw the form he is capable of.

 

[Ricky]

His ego's been developing very nicely for a while now, becoming more and more apparent.

And it certainly can't be helping.

When managers become stubborn it's a very bad sign.

 

[nopigfansintown]

It's his lack of ego that's the issue. He understood the situation with the owners would hinder us and make us uncompetitive in the transfer market, when he didn't accept the contract offer when it was first offered last year .He could've left then an undisputed hero. He foolishly decided to stay, despite the situation not really having changed (ok we have a marginally bigger budget).His biggest asset has been sold and we still can't compete. He should've listened to his head and not his heart. I just hope he can keep us up.He deserves that much.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I believe the constant negativity and carping is not helping the team. Wilder is trying his upmost best, yet he gets constant slagging off and carping from "keyboard experts"". Who have never even managed. Talk about bloody ungrateful!! All this slagging and carping is creating is a poisonous atmosphere which is likely to explode at some stage.. If your so upset with the way the team is managed or following the team, maybe its time to think of doing something else. There are plenty of alternatives.. I believe he will get it right if left alone. What so many cannot get into their bloody heads, is that the club is swimming against the tide of clubs with much more money, and yet suitable alternatives are to be picked out of thin air with not even a mention of suitable alternatives. It ain't that simple.

I've never stopped trying to explain the lack of funds the club has and Wilder has access to, and the disadvantage it's puts us and him at. Yet his team selections for both games were criticised BEFORE kick off in both games. Then on Saturday the tactics didn't work. Many people pointing this out aren't the perennial moaners, doomsayers and football manager experts but posters who back Wilder most of the time. Which should tell you that even the moaners got it right. Now that's what's worrying.

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's his lack of ego that's the issue. He understood the situation with the owners would hinder us and make us uncompetitive in the transfer market, when he didn't accept the contract offer when it was first offered last year .He could've left then an undisputed hero. He foolishly decided to stay, despite the situation not really having changed (ok we have a marginally bigger budget).His biggest asset has been sold and we still can't compete. He should've listened to his head and not his heart. I just hope he can keep us up.He deserves that much.

Pretty much agree but Brooks was never his biggest asset, other than as a cash cow, which it looks like he's not allowed to milk.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Pretty much agree but Brooks was never his biggest asset, other than as a cash cow, which it looks like he's not allowed to milk.

Yes, should've put "financial asset". On the other hand, would it have surprised anybody that much if Brooks had a big season this year? Not me.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Yes, should've put "financial asset". On the other hand, would it have surprised anybody that much if Brooks had a big season this year? Not me.

He’d have probably featured as much/little as last season.

 

[Roygbiv]

It's his lack of ego that's the issue. He understood the situation with the owners would hinder us and make us uncompetitive in the transfer market, when he didn't accept the contract offer when it was first offered last year .He could've left then an undisputed hero. He foolishly decided to stay, despite the situation not really having changed (ok we have a marginally bigger budget).His biggest asset has been sold and we still can't compete. He should've listened to his head and not his heart. I just hope he can keep us up.He deserves that much.

Totally agree with this. I think he probably should have left for the sake of his own career. I think we have passed "peak Wilder" at United now but that is much more to do with current state of the club than anything Wilder has or could do. He is still our best asset in my opinion and though I think we are in for a really difficult season I am incredibly glad he stayed.

If he keeps us up and there is progress with the boardroom struggles there is still a chance he made the right choice and we can experience even bigger highs under him. I thought this would be a difficult season for a number of reasons and had us down to finish lower mid table which I thought was acceptable with what is going off. I'm now thinking just surviving in this league until everything sorted may be an achievement in itself.

 

[Sheepstone]

Didn’t applaud the away following tonight according to twitter.

Either he is so angry he couldn’t wait to get to the dressing room or he’s going to walk.

The team and Wilder didn't applaud the home crowd last Saturday either unless I missed it. And we were the last out of the ground.

 

[Topplayersleave]

He hasn't got the tools to do the job, simple as that. He knows it and he's not happy about it
He stayed because he was going to be backed.

Well about 10 players have gone, 5 have come in, two very ordinary Championship players on very ordinary Championship wages and three kids
He's probably wondering why he stayed because he must have known what would happen being a fan

 

[Topplayersleave]

I believe the constant negativity and carping is not helping the team. Wilder is trying his upmost best, yet he gets constant slagging off and carping from "keyboard experts"". Who have never even managed. Talk about bloody ungrateful!! All this slagging and carping is creating is a poisonous atmosphere which is likely to explode at some stage.. If your so upset with the way the team is managed or following the team, maybe its time to think of doing something else. There are plenty of alternatives.. I believe he will get it right if left alone. What so many cannot get into their bloody heads, is that the club is swimming against the tide of clubs with much more money, and yet suitable alternatives are to be picked out of thin air with not even a mention of suitable alternatives. It ain't that simple.

I'm not sure where the poisonous atmosphere is, it wasn't present on Saturday and from what I've heard the fans backed the team well tonight.
There's no reason for most teams in this division to be better backed than us, we all have the same rules to play by
It's just that some of the boardrooms at other clubs want their fans to enjoy their football, ours doesn't give a fuck

 

[Davalon]

I believe the constant negativity and carping is not helping the team. Wilder is trying his upmost best, yet he gets constant slagging off and carping from "keyboard experts"". Who have never even managed. Talk about bloody ungrateful!! All this slagging and carping is creating is a poisonous atmosphere which is likely to explode at some stage.. If your so upset with the way the team is managed or following the team, maybe its time to think of doing something else. There are plenty of alternatives.. I believe he will get it right if left alone. What so many cannot get into their bloody heads, is that the club is swimming against the tide of clubs with much more money, and yet suitable alternatives are to be picked out of thin air with not even a mention of suitable alternatives. It ain't that simple.

So the comments on here in the last 48 hours plus have played a part in the Laurel and Hardy defending tonight?

I'm particularly ungrateful that our club record signing looks like he's never played at the back before so far.

 

[Davalon]

if its so bad, leave the supporting to others..

Your medal's in the post.

But it's already chipped and the ribbon hasn't got much red on it.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Yikes, and there I was thinking my post was pretty measured. Without splitting hairs, I asked the question about ego being an issue to spark a debate about what exactly is going on.

Yes, I’ve never been a FOOTBALL manager, but most oncologists have never had cancer either. If being a football manager is the only qualifying criteria for allowable criticism that i’d imagine it would be fairly quiet in pubs up and down the country on a Saturday afternoon.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Yikes, and there I was thinking my post was pretty measured. Without splitting hairs, I asked the question about ego being an issue to spark a debate about what exactly is going on.

Yes, I’ve never been a FOOTBALL manager, but most oncologists have never had cancer either. If being a football manager is the only qualifying criteria for allowable criticism that i’d imagine it would be fairly quiet in pubs up and down the country on a Saturday afternoon.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Wilder gave the line up from Saturday the chance to redeem itself. It didn’t. He will now change it this weekend. I’m sure he will do.

 

[S64 Blade]

I think it's too early to say it's his ego.

He kept the same side as Saturday to show he has faith in the players who performed badly. Dropping players at the first sign of a bad game doesn't breed confidence or get people on your side.

 

[Blade56]

ungrateful

Wtf have we got to be grateful for?

We're out of L1?

We've still got the owner who took us from the PL to 6 years of oblivion then tied himself into a Jonny foreigner deal to try and fund a hobby he could no longer afford and got his pants pulled down?

We've got a team of has been players and average L1 players?

Every prospect we get is sold and the money is always for next window to rebuild but is explained away as needed to run the club 6 months later? Check out the England defence over the past decade, it was ours and we sold it for a handful of magic beans

We have a manager known for battling the board but now seems appeh to tow the line after a new contract?

We won't touch foreign players unless they can speak pure sheffieldeez and want well below the market wage at this level?

We've got a scouting network based on FIFA 2014?

Go on, list the thing we should be grateful for, cheer me the f*** up

 

[SUFC Guy]

A win on Saturday and half of these posters will vanish. We lose and they will multiply. People sure love a good moan than a praise.

Still too early to call how this season will go. A poor start that is easily sorted.

I expect wholesale changes now that the first choice selection has not worked but it may take a few games to resolve this.

Sharp, woodburn, Duffy must start imo

 

[Steve Mackan]

Totally agree with this. I think he probably should have left for the sake of his own career. I think we have passed "peak Wilder" at United now but that is much more to do with current state of the club than anything Wilder has or could do. He is still our best asset in my opinion and though I think we are in for a really difficult season I am incredibly glad he stayed.

If he keeps us up and there is progress with the boardroom struggles there is still a chance he made the right choice and we can experience even bigger highs under him. I thought this would be a difficult season for a number of reasons and had us down to finish lower mid table which I thought was acceptable with what is going off. I'm now thinking just surviving in this league until everything sorted may be an achievement in itself.

I'm not sure about this. The 'difficulty' of this season will depend on how long we are a 'soft touch' on the pitch, we never were last season. Swansea and Boro created nothing and we conceded 5 in 2 games; point being, I'm not sure if it's Wilder's ego, but his intelligence, which has been a problem for two games. Find a system where our best players are accommodated; place in the first eleven based on form; simple.

If we've hit 'peak' Wilder, then it's on him. Bar Coutts, we have a better squad this season, my biggest worry is that our best team is still the one that includes Fleck, Duffy, Coutts, Sharp and Clarke: no progression.

 

[FTPE]

Didn’t applaud the away following tonight according to twitter.

Either he is so angry he couldn’t wait to get to the dressing room or he’s going to walk.

Really? That's disheartening.
I don't think that means he's walking.
He didn't look overly upset in the sexing half either, gave high fives and cuddles to the subs.
Im not sticking up for Wilder if he was pissed at the fans because we made some right noise in that second half but did I hear us chant "wilder sort it out" some sarcastic olès and some other things that could have got his back up?

 

[nopigfansintown]

I'm not sure about this. The 'difficulty' of this season will depend on how long we are a 'soft touch' on the pitch, we never were last season. Swansea and Boro created nothing and we conceded 5 in 2 games; point being, I'm not sure if it's Wilder's ego, but his intelligence, which has been a problem for two games. Find a system where our best players are accommodated; place in the first eleven based on form; simple.

If we've hit 'peak' Wilder, then it's on him. Bar Coutts, we have a better squad this season, my biggest worry is that our best team is still the one that includes Fleck, Duffy, Coutts, Sharp and Clarke: no progression.

Our team hasn't improved as we reached peak Duffy, Coutts,Sharp and Clarke last season.Expecting similar levels of output from them was the height of naivete. Replacing or supplementing those players with people we can at least rotate with them, costs real money that we don't have,despite selling our biggest financial asset.Even if we did that, surely this year would've been the last for most of them?This process should've started last January by the way, and have continued into this summer.It would be extremely difficult to do in one transfer window.The manager hasn't been backed. There is little point moaning about it though. We need him to try and get the best out of these ageing players, and nobodies and keep us up.Half a dozen quality players and we'd have been looking at the play offs at least.Why Wilder has decided to sacrifice his reputation on the altar of Sheffield United is anyone's guess.