Is Wilder’s Ego the Issue?

[super_pig]

I think people need to be a little bit realistic. We're a squad of over achievers. Wilders hardly had the budget to bring in much better.

Folk want to be careful what they wish for. Are there any managers out there that could get this squad playing any better on that budget, because I don't think there are

agree totally

 

[super_pig]

I believe the constant negativity and carping is not helping the team. Wilder is trying his upmost best, yet he gets constant slagging off and carping from "keyboard experts"". Who have never even managed. Talk about bloody ungrateful!! All this slagging and carping is creating is a poisonous atmosphere which is likely to explode at some stage.. If your so upset with the way the team is managed or following the team, maybe its time to think of doing something else. There are plenty of alternatives.. I believe he will get it right if left alone. What so many cannot get into their bloody heads, is that the club is swimming against the tide of clubs with much more money, and yet suitable alternatives are to be picked out of thin air with not even a mention of suitable alternatives. It ain't that simple.

you actually think anyone at the club gives a shit what we say on here??

 

[Sheffsteel]

In the past you often find that the greatest managers in world football had the biggest ego’s.

No one had a bigger ego than Brian Clough.

 

[super_pig]

i'm hoping that was our Southend (was it? can't remember OTOMH) . Chris is justified in sticking with the original line up on purely 'management' grounds ie a chance to redeem themselves. they didn't .. change it please. i think he will.

 

[BushBlade]

Really? That's disheartening.
I don't think that means he's walking.
He didn't look overly upset in the sexing half either, gave high fives and cuddles to the subs.
Im not sticking up for Wilder if he was pissed at the fans because we made some right noise in that second half but did I hear us chant "wilder sort it out" some sarcastic olès and some other things that could have got his back up?

No, not really.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Wilder was short with Staton but surely we can allow him to be pissed off after that performance and sometimes don't we all vent! I can't believe how some fans are suggesting he's to blame, his ego is to big etc. Yes I wouldn't pick Evans and Lundstram together but we didn't lose because of that we lost because we defended awfully and going forward we look slow, lethargic and I'm not sure even Duffy and/or Woodburn would have changed that first half such was the bad defending and putting us on the back foot.

For those questioning his signings I think we can all agree he's signed some belters too and I still believe Lundstram, Evans and Leonard could make it with us, but only time will tell. They were never going to be the finished article and it took Coutts over two seasons before we saw the form he is capable of.

You believe in Lundstram, i respect your opinion.......but.

You know who was wandering about following the Boro player moving from midfield who nearly scored in the first 30 seconds...................Lundstram.

You know who was marking the Boro player that made the flickon at the near post for the first goal..................Lundstram made a half hearted attempt to jump and defend.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/vide...ship/11465050/middlesbrough-3-0-sheffield-utd

 

[Booker4]

You believe in Lundstram, i respect your opinion.......but.

You know who was wandering about following the Boro player moving from midfield who nearly scored in the first 30 seconds...................Lundstram.

You know who was marking the Boro player that made the flickon at the near post for the first goal..................Lundstram made a half hearted attempt to jump and defend.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/vide...ship/11465050/middlesbrough-3-0-sheffield-utd

I have seen it and I can't disagree. Its very poor. But, I do believe he has potential and ability to be a good player but (another but I know) he needs to apply himself more and should be dropped for Saturday.

 

[Steve Mackan]

Our team hasn't improved as we reached peak Duffy, Coutts,Sharp and Clarke last season.Expecting similar levels of output from them was the height of naivete. Replacing or supplementing those players with people we can at least rotate with them, costs real money that we don't have,despite selling our biggest financial asset.Even if we did that, surely this year would've been the last for most of them?This process should've started last January by the way, and have continued into this summer.It would be extremely difficult to do in one transfer window.The manager hasn't been backed. There is little point moaning about it though. We need him to try and get the best out of these ageing players, and nobodies and keep us up.Half a dozen quality players and we'd have been looking at the play offs at least.Why Wilder has decided to sacrifice his reputation on the altar of Sheffield United is anyone's guess.

But Duffy still looks a player? What happened to square pegs in square holes? This team, without any lofty expectation, should be better than they have performed in those to games. I don't buy this, 'Wilder's done us a favour' business.

 

[nopigfansintown]

But Duffy still looks a player? What happened to square pegs in square holes? This team, without any lofty expectation, should be better than they have performed in those to games. I don't buy this, 'Wilder's done us a favour' business.

Duffy has tired badly post Christmas during the last two campaigns, in my opinion. Particularly last year. He was also woeful in the pre season games No doubt he still has something to offer, but he should be at the stage where he is rotated with another player. For example, say, Luke Freeman. The club have manifestly failed to give the manager the backing to bring in this type of player. You can go through many positions in the team and reach the same conclusion.We will have had an excellent season if we're a championship club next season.If Wilder leaves mid season, the quality of the candidates replacing him doesn't bare thinking about given our current situation.

 

[VEGASBLADE]

Yeah he was stubborn with his selection AGAIN. The flat 3 in midfield doesn’t work. Egan has been horrendous in every single appearance he’s made for us up to now. He’s no better then Stearman. In fact he’s much worse. Shoot me down I don’t give a fuck that was pathetic on every level. JOC may aswell be sat on Brighton’s bench because he wasn’t here tonight. A serous shake up is needed. We’re going to struggle this season and that’s a fact

Here here well said that man O'Connell head has been.turned

 

[Balham]

We've picked an immobile midfield against two of the better sides in this division. There's no link between the midfield and the forwards as none of the midfield three is willing to go past the ball which in turn is putting enormous pressure on the wing backs to create width and link the play. We've also got two isolated forwards who aren't great at holding the ball up. Don't get me wrong, Wilder is more than capable of sorting this out but my opinion remains that if you are going to pick three similar central midfielders who all like to play in a line you have to play an attacking midfielder/#10 to link the play.

This doesn't work:

Henderson
Basham Egan O'Connell
Baldock Lundstram Evans Fleck Stevens
HUGE GAP
Clarke McGoldrick​

This isn't much of a change (one player) but it gives you mobility in the attacking third:

Henderson
Basham Egan O'Connell
Baldock Lundstram Evans Fleck Stevens
Duffy/Woodburn
McGoldrick
​

But given that we clearly have a bit of a crisis of confidence in central midfield (Lundstram looks like he's the new Long - he's got more assists this season that the rest of the side put together but he clearly can do no right with a section of our fans), I'd not be surprised by this. Duffy gets the nod over Woodburn as it's an away game and Duffy's experience wins him the shirt. Personally, I'd play McGoldrick over Clarke and possibly Stearman over Egan but the former seems undroppable for whatever reason and the latter is Wilder's big purchase who's clearly not going to get dropped after two games.
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Henderson
Leonard Egan O'Connell
Baldock Evans Basham Fleck Stevens
Duffy
Clarke​

 

[Revolution]

Duffy has tired badly post Christmas during the last two campaigns, in my opinion. Particularly last year. He was also woeful in the pre season games No doubt he still has something to offer, but he should be at the stage where he is rotated with another player. For example, say, Luke Freeman. The club have manifestly failed to give the manager the backing to bring in this type of player. .

Wilder wanted Ricky Holmes. he chased him for 18 months. The board signed him. Wilder hasn't played him and now he's on loan in league 1.

I am not one to defend the board but Wilder identified his Duffy-like player and then was given the funds to go and buy him. That deal has failed.

And I appreciate that there is an argument that perhaps the board didn't provide sufficient financing to get anyone better (in fact, that's probably true). But Wilder was not settling for second choices here. He wanted Holmes, and Leonard, for that matter.

To that extent, the failure to bring in someone who plays where Duffy plays and can rotate with him is on Wilder. He signed that player and he has binned him off as not good enough.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Wilder wanted Ricky Holmes. he chased him for 18 months. The board signed him. Wilder hasn't played him and now he's on loan in league 1.

I am not one to defend the board but Wilder identified his Duffy-like player and then was given the funds to go and buy him. That deal has failed.

And I appreciate that there is an argument that perhaps the board didn't provide sufficient financing to get anyone better (in fact, that's probably true). But Wilder was not settling for second choices here. He wanted Holmes, and Leonard, for that matter.

To that extent, the failure to bring in someone who plays where Duffy plays and can rotate with him is on Wilder. He signed that player and he has binned him off as not good enough.

I completely disagree with your idea that "Wilder was not settling for second choices here. He wanted Holmes, and Leonard, for that matter". I think those two players would be far beneath his second choice. Fathoms deeper. All dictated by transfer and wage budgets. If a manager of a big championship club with promotion aspirations (no sniggering at the back) is going to be judged on lower league punts for relative peanuts; It's more than a bit harsh.

 

[Harrisblade]

Someone on twitter is telling porkies, came over with the players.

Don't spoil a good 'knock Wilder' thread!

 

[Revolution]

I completely disagree with your idea that "Wilder was not settling for second choices here. He wanted Holmes, and Leonard, for that matter". I think those two players would be far beneath his second choice. Fathoms deeper. All dictated by transfer and wage budgets. If a manager of a big championship club with promotion aspirations (no sniggering at the back) is going to be judged on lower league punts for relative peanuts; It's more than a bit harsh.

Well, we will have to agree to disagree on that. Wilder thought Holmes could do the job.

And there is another problem here. It could be argued that all of Wilder's signings in January are failures. Personally I think Evans can be better than this but it isn't working at the moment. Leonard looks poor. Wilson was rubbish and unfit. Holmes will likely never play for us again. That's the sort of miss rate that got Clough and Adkins fired.

Now we have Egan who doesn't look better than Stearman, who cost 75% less, and McGoldrick who if his record is any guide will not play a lot and score even less (why people want him in the side rather than Sharp is beyond me).

There may be not much money. There never is. But there was surely money to do better than this. Wilder is to some extent culpable for where we are now. And that's before you even get onto team selection and tactics.

I think Wilder is a terrific manager but he's going through a bad run, as players do. I hope he has a Gillingham like epiphany again and we right the ship soon.

 

[Esablade]

I’ve tried to like Lunny and he’s had a great opportunity since Coutts injury but he hasn’t made the grade for me...I’d be looking to ship out.

Evans is still in the balance...he gets in some good positions but appears apprehensive on the ball and overcomplicates stuff at times.

Neither work well with Fleck.

 

[super_pig]

I completely disagree with your idea that "Wilder was not settling for second choices here. He wanted Holmes, and Leonard, for that matter". I think those two players would be far beneath his second choice. Fathoms deeper. All dictated by transfer and wage budgets. If a manager of a big championship club with promotion aspirations (no sniggering at the back) is going to be judged on lower league punts for relative peanuts; It's more than a bit harsh.

we’ve bought holmes leonard evans and lundstram in an attempt to fill a hole in midfield.. how much was that together? 2 million? and the there’s carruthers
we’d have been better off buying one decent player for 2mill
who that comes down to i have no idea but its cheapskating again

 

[Addison]

I don't think its ego but I suspect he's been spending too much time looking at Pro Zone stats. He's been saying all pre season that the stats confirm we were just as competitive in the second half of last season than the first. As they say there are lies damn lies and statistics. At the end of the day your own eyes are the best indicator of whats going on.

The only stats I'm taking notice of at the moment are that the two players with the best win ratio when they start a game are Sharp and Duffy. In the present climate they should be the first names on the team sheet until we find suitable replacements.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Well, we will have to agree to disagree on that. Wilder thought Holmes could do the job.

And there is another problem here. It could be argued that all of Wilder's signings in January are failures. Personally I think Evans can be better than this but it isn't working at the moment. Leonard looks poor. Wilson was rubbish and unfit. Holmes will likely never play for us again. That's the sort of miss rate that got Clough and Adkins fired.

Now we have Egan who doesn't look better than Stearman, who cost 75% less, and McGoldrick who if his record is any guide will not play a lot and score even less (why people want him in the side rather than Sharp is beyond me).

There may be not much money. There never is. But there was surely money to do better than this. Wilder is to some extent culpable for where we are now. And that's before you even get onto team selection and tactics.

I think Wilder is a terrific manager but he's going through a bad run, as players do. I hope he has a Gillingham like epiphany again and we right the ship soon.

They all got us to a mid table finish last season, which is an outstanding achievement.If we avoid relegation this season Wilder's cheapskate buys will be wholly vindicated again.Far too early to judge Egan or any of the new signings by the way.As for Clough, he was shopping in Harrods for his league one players. Wilder is looking in the bins at Netto for his Championship players.

 

[Roygbiv]

Duffy's missus isn't happy. Billy's other half also posted some minor dig too about how many goals he's scored in the Championship.

It's all going Pete Tong

 

[Revolution]

They all got us to a mid table finish last season, which is an outstanding achievement.If we avoid relegation this season Wilder's cheapskate buys will be wholly vindicated again.Far too early to judge Egan or any of the new signings by the way.As for Clough, he was shopping in Harrods for his league one players. Wilder is looking in the bins at Netto for his Championship players.

Wilder did get us to a mid table finish. Evans apart, the players signed in January made a negligible contribution to that.

If we repeat last year's finish, or even do a little worse, Wilder will deserve all the credit, I agree.

 

[JayGreen17]

Pretty much agree but Brooks was never his biggest asset, other than as a cash cow, which it looks like he's not allowed to milk.

Why doesnt this surprise me - and maybe the reason for the weird team selections to show the bard the money is very much needed to strengthen.

Maybe playing with fire. But if money is being held back by the board I can only see one way this seasons going to end up.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Jesus wept, some people are sensitive. Is that it then? He’s beyond reproach? Utterly above criticism in any manner? The OP was asking a question as to whether this refusal to adapt was more about pride than analytical thinking. Even if that pride is masquerading as logic in his mind. The hysterical reaction is a bit silly now. Building up someone to be a perfect deity isn’t healthy. It’ll be fine, I’m sure

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If we all say we should stick to the same side because we have been unlucky so far he'll change it for QPR.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Not read the whole thread but my view on this has always been that CW wants too much control over every element. Our scouting team seems to consist of 2 or 3 people including Wilder. He needs more people he trusts to do more of the leg work, especially overseas.

 

[Jonboy60]

Wilder gave the line up from Saturday the chance to redeem itself. It didn’t. He will now change it this weekend. I’m sure he will do.

I’m getting my recliner, popcorn and a few beers ready for post match analysis on here, if he doesn’t.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

We’re about to sign 1p so I emphatically and unequivocally take all of this back. A man that has complained tirelessly about his lack of budgetary power signing 1p, is comedic genius unheard of in our time. Close the thread.

 

[Jonboy60]

We’re about to sign 1p so I emphatically and unequivocally take all of this back. A man that has complained tirelessly about his lack of budgetary power signing 1p, is comedic genius unheard of in our time. Close the thread.

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