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A lot of what I'm about to say has probably been picked up in other threads, but I don't know that there's one that really captures it all.
Ruben Selles has clearly been a disastrous appointment. I think it was well-intentioned, with an eye to the future, but one that hasn't worked out. Whilst Selles himself was probably out of his depth, his appointment was only one part of a series of changes that needed to be made, in relation to overall strategy, management and coaching structure, recruitment etc. That none of the other changes happened, probably meant that, whomever the coach was, they'd have struggled, to a greater or lesser degree. I was a supporter of moving on from Wilder; as was said on the late, lamented Bladespod, the new approach had a higher ceiling, but also perhaps a lower floor. Sadly, it's the latter of those two predictions which has come to pass. Doesn't necessarily mean that the vision was wrong; however, clearly, the strategy and execution underpinning it was deeply flawed.

So, Selles' position became untenable and he was dismissed. But is going back to Wilder really the best we can do? I have mixed feelings on this. I think that it's unquestionably the safest thing we can do. He's only been out of the building for five minutes, so will be able to pick up where he left off. He does seem to be able to inspire a team (though interestingly, it only seems to work with United, as his other body of work is underwhelming), and I think that the threat of relegation is eliminated by his return.

But...
Really? Wilder? Is he really the best possible option for the club? Is there really no way to move on? People wax lyrical about how he "gets" the club, how he's "one of our own" and all that tosh, when none of that seems to matter when we're talking about professional players, paid to do a job to the best of their ability. What does it even mean, to "get" the club? What makes SUFC apparently uniquely ungettable by other managers, coaches or owners? I'm genuinely curious. I understand that Wilder has a special place in the club's history, and that he's been canonised by an appreciable proportion of the fanbase. But, sooner or later, for one reason or another, he'll have to move on. What then? I've seen, in these threads, Billy Sharp and Chris Basham cited as possible replacements. Again: really? Is Bladey-bladeness in a coach all we can reasonably aspire to? These are club legends - but with zero coaching experience. On paper at least, Selles would be a better hire!

Like I said, I think Wilder will get us out of this mess. But as fans of a club that will endure long after Wilder, we should be looking for evidence of the next step and the one after that. We need a club and a process that is not in thrall to one man. Everyone cites Brighton as the model for a well run club. Their managers and players are regularly picked off... and it doesn't matter, because they have underlying strategy and clarity of purpose. I very much hope that one thing that comes out of this debacle is that a deeply experienced football director (not CW! That would have echoes of Putin oscillating between president and PM) is appointed, who will figure out what we want to be, what we need to get there - and then start working through it.
 

It’s definitely been captured in a lot of other threads. I predict the responses you’ll get are either:

“Bollocks you xxxx, our Chrisseh is reyt good, everyone else is shit, no more foreign muck”

Or

“Yeah you’re right pal, club will never go forward with this dinosaur in charge, we should have got Rohl/Blessin/Still/whoeverthecurrentfadmanageris instead”

It’s all been done to death. I’m just happy that Selles has gone and that the board seem to have realised they know fuck all about football and the club and have therefore gone for a ‘safe pair of hands’ until they work out what to do next. With any luck it’ll take them a few years and we can just have consistency for a period. The concern is that we’ve sold good players and signed worse ones, so it’s not that easy.

We’ll never stay in the PL for more than the odd season anyway so we may as well have Wilder. Just don’t let him sign forward players costing more than a £million, keep him on 1 or 2 year contracts on a rolling basis and he should be ok.
 
The new owners were in clear danger of losing the backing of the fans within months of arriving and they've seen how that's playing out very badly at Swillsboro, so I think that's influenced the play here. I think they've gone down the Wilder route because 1) he's very good at getting results at this level and 2) if it doesn't work out the fans can't say "should have kept Wilder instead of getting XYZ in". Like you say its a safe choice from a PR perspective, and whilst I have reservations there are some reasons for positivity... eg Brewster has gone so he can't hamstring us in that respect anymore.
 
But...
Really? Wilder? Is he really the best option
Yes...we win lots of games
The proviso we have to be dominant doing that is where the is Wilder the man for us falls down

Livèpool again this weekend won 1-0 , will their fans care it took a 93rd minute penaly to win ..not one of them

Teams that win the most games dont dominate for 90 minutes in them all
The chatening lesson Selles has just provided is a winning manager is far more preferable
 
A lot of what I'm about to say has probably been picked up in other threads, but I don't know that there's one that really captures it all.
Ruben Selles has clearly been a disastrous appointment. I think it was well-intentioned, with an eye to the future, but one that hasn't worked out. Whilst Selles himself was probably out of his depth, his appointment was only one part of a series of changes that needed to be made, in relation to overall strategy, management and coaching structure, recruitment etc. That none of the other changes happened, probably meant that, whomever the coach was, they'd have struggled, to a greater or lesser degree. I was a supporter of moving on from Wilder; as was said on the late, lamented Bladespod, the new approach had a higher ceiling, but also perhaps a lower floor. Sadly, it's the latter of those two predictions which has come to pass. Doesn't necessarily mean that the vision was wrong; however, clearly, the strategy and execution underpinning it was deeply flawed.

So, Selles' position became untenable and he was dismissed. But is going back to Wilder really the best we can do? I have mixed feelings on this. I think that it's unquestionably the safest thing we can do. He's only been out of the building for five minutes, so will be able to pick up where he left off. He does seem to be able to inspire a team (though interestingly, it only seems to work with United, as his other body of work is underwhelming), and I think that the threat of relegation is eliminated by his return.

But...
Really? Wilder? Is he really the best possible option for the club? Is there really no way to move on? People wax lyrical about how he "gets" the club, how he's "one of our own" and all that tosh, when none of that seems to matter when we're talking about professional players, paid to do a job to the best of their ability. What does it even mean, to "get" the club? What makes SUFC apparently uniquely ungettable by other managers, coaches or owners? I'm genuinely curious. I understand that Wilder has a special place in the club's history, and that he's been canonised by an appreciable proportion of the fanbase. But, sooner or later, for one reason or another, he'll have to move on. What then? I've seen, in these threads, Billy Sharp and Chris Basham cited as possible replacements. Again: really? Is Bladey-bladeness in a coach all we can reasonably aspire to? These are club legends - but with zero coaching experience. On paper at least, Selles would be a better hire!

Like I said, I think Wilder will get us out of this mess. But as fans of a club that will endure long after Wilder, we should be looking for evidence of the next step and the one after that. We need a club and a process that is not in thrall to one man. Everyone cites Brighton as the model for a well run club. Their managers and players are regularly picked off... and it doesn't matter, because they have underlying strategy and clarity of purpose. I very much hope that one thing that comes out of this debacle is that a deeply experienced football director (not CW! That would have echoes of Putin oscillating between president and PM) is appointed, who will figure out what we want to be, what we need to get there - and then start working through it.
I think right now, yes it’s the best option to try and rescue the season.

It’s definitely a panic move from COH and I also don’t think I’d trust them to bring in someone else to be fair.
 
Short answer no. Is their objectively a proven manager with a better CV out there than Wilder that would come to us and that we could afford? I think you know the answer. The two most compelling proposals were Dyche and Nuno. Dyche was divisive and Nuno was laughed off (on here). It's heresy to point it out on here but we're very lucky to have the Wilder option.

RE: Bladey Bladeyness or whatever the next asinine buzz phrase is used to describe anyone with Blades pedigree getting a job at the club. It doesnt exist. Warnock got the job due to his excellent record before arriving at BL. His sacking was very harsh. Wilder got the job due to his Northampton miracle and prior successes at all levels below (he has a brilliant body of work). He got the job again due to his Blades miracle and prior successful career. He has the job again due to the excellent job he did last season (acknowledged almost everywhere except here) and the chronic failure of the unbelievably naive Selles appointment. A Saudi Prince and an American consortium appointed Wilder because he's a Blade? You really believe that? If so please PM to buy my bridge in London and my spare packet of magic beans. There's a guy who just got sacked that had nowhere near the CV to justify getting a plum Champ job over a guy with a much better CV. Now that was illogical. Spainy Spainyness?

The players with Blades backgrounds that sign at all levels do so because they're excellent at football. My Kingdom for peak Sharp, Maguire, Walker, Woodward, Jones etc etc etc. The vast majority of footballers who support United never have a professional career at United. How does that fit in with the Bladey Bladeyness concept?! It doesn't because it's bollocks. If Arblaster was shit he wouldn't be here.

You make some interesting points about structure but don't address the elephant in the room that sacking Wilder was totally unnecessary. There's zero evidence that he wouldn't work within a different structure nor that the existing structure has a higher ceiling or lower floor than any other. Indeed Wilder is one of two managers to keep a club in the Premier League with a small overall budget in a long time. So the ceiling is 9th in the Prem and the floor 3rd in the Champ. I'd love to see the huge list of names that could do better with our likely (continued) budgets regardless of club structure.
 
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Hopefully, he wouldn't be our only option and let's face it most of the posters on S2 4SU could at least match Selles zero wins in six matches so it's a low bar.

Wilder dismissal following the playoff loss indicated the ambition and expectations of the owners: immediate promotion.

The 'getting the club thing' Is a thing in that he certainly gets the fans base and got the support back on side very quickly second time around but how long term do the owners see him?
 
Any other team in our current position (a right mess) would most likely get Wilder in. Statistically he's the best option.
 
Short answer no. Is their objectively a proven manager with a better CV out there than Wilder that would come to us and that we could afford? I think you know the answer. The two most compelling proposals were Dyche and Nuno. Dyche was divisive and Nuno was laughed off (on here). It's heresy to point it out on here but we're very lucky to have the Wilder option.

RE: Bladey Bladeyness or whatever the next asinine buzz phrase is used to describe anyone with Blades pedigree getting a job at the club. It doesnt exist. Warnock got the job due to his excellent record before arriving at BL. His sacking was very harsh. Wilder got the job due to his Northampton miracle and prior successes at all levels below (he has a brilliant body of work). He got the job again due to his Blades miracle and prior successful career. He has the job again due to the excellent job he did last season (acknowledged almost everywhere except here) and the chronic failure of the unbelievably naive Selles appointment. A Saudi Prince and an American consortium appointed Wilder because he's a Blade? You really believe that? If so please PM to buy my bridge in London and my spare packet of magic beans. There's a guy who just got sacked that had nowhere near the CV to justify getting a plum Champ job over a guy with a much better CV. Now that was illogical. Spainy Spainyness?

The players with Blades backgrounds that sign at all levels do so because they're excellent at football. My Kingdom for peak Sharp, Maguire, Walker, Woodward, Jones etc etc etc. The vast majority of footballers who support United never have a professional career at United. How does that fit in with the Bladey Bladeyness concept?! It doesn't because it's bollocks. If Arblaster was shit he wouldn't be here.

You make some interesting points about structure but don't address the elephant in the room that sacking Wilder was totally unnecessary. There's zero evidence that he wouldn't work within a different structure nor that the existing structure has a higher ceiling or lower floor than any other. Indeed Wilder is one of two managers to keep a club in the Premier League with a small overall budget in a long time. So the ceiling is 9th in the Prem and the floor 3rd in the Champ. I'd love to see the huge list of names that could do better with our likely (continued) budgets regardless of club structure.
Done all my response for me more or less there mate!

I will also add, any other manager except Wilder coming in at this time will do the old slate clean, try and find a system, try a few new things that would work.

Not so for Wilder. He’ll know what suited the players, he’ll know what his plan would have been for the current season anyway with this roster.

Yes there have been signings. But he would have been aware Anel and Souza were possible departures. Don’t tell me he’s turning his nose up at having Mee and Tanganga. He may well also be ok with Matos. Doubt he’ll have an issue with Ogbene either. So, whilst recruitment has been done in his absence I doubt he’ll be totally against it.

Fans need to come together now and push us on.
 
It’s definitely been captured in a lot of other threads. I predict the responses you’ll get are either:

“Bollocks you xxxx, our Chrisseh is reyt good, everyone else is shit, no more foreign muck”

Or

“Yeah you’re right pal, club will never go forward with this dinosaur in charge, we should have got Rohl/Blessin/Still/whoeverthecurrentfadmanageris instead”

It’s all been done to death. I’m just happy that Selles has gone and that the board seem to have realised they know fuck all about football and the club and have therefore gone for a ‘safe pair of hands’ until they work out what to do next. With any luck it’ll take them a few years and we can just have consistency for a period. The concern is that we’ve sold good players and signed worse ones, so it’s not that easy.

We’ll never stay in the PL for more than the odd season anyway so we may as well have Wilder. Just don’t let him sign forward players costing more than a £million, keep him on 1 or 2 year contracts on a rolling basis and he should be ok.
Was explaining this to my lad last night. Look at what Klopp did at Liverpool (think Liverpool?!?!). He was a similar domineering figure but ultimately given time was able to seemlessly transition out. It is possible....

As we've been saying for donkeys years, it just needs a Sporting Director/CEO/senior mgt structure who knows what they're doing and until we have that, we'll keep circling the same pattern.
 
A lot of what I'm about to say has probably been picked up in other threads, but I don't know that there's one that really captures it all.
Ruben Selles has clearly been a disastrous appointment. I think it was well-intentioned, with an eye to the future, but one that hasn't worked out. Whilst Selles himself was probably out of his depth, his appointment was only one part of a series of changes that needed to be made, in relation to overall strategy, management and coaching structure, recruitment etc. That none of the other changes happened, probably meant that, whomever the coach was, they'd have struggled, to a greater or lesser degree. I was a supporter of moving on from Wilder; as was said on the late, lamented Bladespod, the new approach had a higher ceiling, but also perhaps a lower floor. Sadly, it's the latter of those two predictions which has come to pass. Doesn't necessarily mean that the vision was wrong; however, clearly, the strategy and execution underpinning it was deeply flawed.

So, Selles' position became untenable and he was dismissed. But is going back to Wilder really the best we can do? I have mixed feelings on this. I think that it's unquestionably the safest thing we can do. He's only been out of the building for five minutes, so will be able to pick up where he left off. He does seem to be able to inspire a team (though interestingly, it only seems to work with United, as his other body of work is underwhelming), and I think that the threat of relegation is eliminated by his return.

But...
Really? Wilder? Is he really the best possible option for the club? Is there really no way to move on? People wax lyrical about how he "gets" the club, how he's "one of our own" and all that tosh, when none of that seems to matter when we're talking about professional players, paid to do a job to the best of their ability. What does it even mean, to "get" the club? What makes SUFC apparently uniquely ungettable by other managers, coaches or owners? I'm genuinely curious. I understand that Wilder has a special place in the club's history, and that he's been canonised by an appreciable proportion of the fanbase. But, sooner or later, for one reason or another, he'll have to move on. What then? I've seen, in these threads, Billy Sharp and Chris Basham cited as possible replacements. Again: really? Is Bladey-bladeness in a coach all we can reasonably aspire to? These are club legends - but with zero coaching experience. On paper at least, Selles would be a better hire!

Like I said, I think Wilder will get us out of this mess. But as fans of a club that will endure long after Wilder, we should be looking for evidence of the next step and the one after that. We need a club and a process that is not in thrall to one man. Everyone cites Brighton as the model for a well run club. Their managers and players are regularly picked off... and it doesn't matter, because they have underlying strategy and clarity of purpose. I very much hope that one thing that comes out of this debacle is that a deeply experienced football director (not CW! That would have echoes of Putin oscillating between president and PM) is appointed, who will figure out what we want to be, what we need to get there - and then start working through it.
The only thing I could see is that we’re going to have to pay Ruben Selles off and it sounds like Wilder is coming back in on his old terms. This means he’s the cheapest option (from what’s been reported)

If we’d have got someone else in we’d have been paying for 3 managers
 
The new owners have already proved themselves to be incompetent in firings,hirings and recruitment,how can they be trusted to somehow come up with a plan for some bright and wonderful new vision for the future of the club,and how would they have a clue on how to do it,let alone find the people needed to actually carry it out?
 
He's the best available manager at this point, we're trying to save the season now, rather than trying to progress. If you take the fact that we've only just sacked him out of the equation, if they ran it through their AI model, I bet Wilder would come out top of all available choices.
 

All this talk of miracles, I imagine some punters have already set the wheels in motion for a sainthood? But you know, he has a promotion on his CV from way back when, so let's crack on.

Aimed at me. It's incumbent on me to point out that my DMs are open if you want those magic beans or the bridge in London. Great Bladey Blade prices 😉.

What a word would you use for winning the league with bankrupt Northampton, the favourites to finish bottom who weren't paying their players for months? Not only winning it but absolutely smashing it. Or an automatic promotion with a relegation budget and 9th placed Prem finish with a bunch of league one and Championship players. I used 'miracle' instead of more long winded phrases like 'ridiculous overachievement' 'surreal overachievement', mind boggling overachievement'. You get the gist. For brevities sake more than anything. I can amend with similar in future if it's a big issue
 
A lot of what I'm about to say has probably been picked up in other threads, but I don't know that there's one that really captures it all.
Ruben Selles has clearly been a disastrous appointment. I think it was well-intentioned, with an eye to the future, but one that hasn't worked out. Whilst Selles himself was probably out of his depth, his appointment was only one part of a series of changes that needed to be made, in relation to overall strategy, management and coaching structure, recruitment etc. That none of the other changes happened, probably meant that, whomever the coach was, they'd have struggled, to a greater or lesser degree. I was a supporter of moving on from Wilder; as was said on the late, lamented Bladespod, the new approach had a higher ceiling, but also perhaps a lower floor. Sadly, it's the latter of those two predictions which has come to pass. Doesn't necessarily mean that the vision was wrong; however, clearly, the strategy and execution underpinning it was deeply flawed.

So, Selles' position became untenable and he was dismissed. But is going back to Wilder really the best we can do? I have mixed feelings on this. I think that it's unquestionably the safest thing we can do. He's only been out of the building for five minutes, so will be able to pick up where he left off. He does seem to be able to inspire a team (though interestingly, it only seems to work with United, as his other body of work is underwhelming), and I think that the threat of relegation is eliminated by his return.

But...
Really? Wilder? Is he really the best possible option for the club? Is there really no way to move on? People wax lyrical about how he "gets" the club, how he's "one of our own" and all that tosh, when none of that seems to matter when we're talking about professional players, paid to do a job to the best of their ability. What does it even mean, to "get" the club? What makes SUFC apparently uniquely ungettable by other managers, coaches or owners? I'm genuinely curious. I understand that Wilder has a special place in the club's history, and that he's been canonised by an appreciable proportion of the fanbase. But, sooner or later, for one reason or another, he'll have to move on. What then? I've seen, in these threads, Billy Sharp and Chris Basham cited as possible replacements. Again: really? Is Bladey-bladeness in a coach all we can reasonably aspire to? These are club legends - but with zero coaching experience. On paper at least, Selles would be a better hire!

Like I said, I think Wilder will get us out of this mess. But as fans of a club that will endure long after Wilder, we should be looking for evidence of the next step and the one after that. We need a club and a process that is not in thrall to one man. Everyone cites Brighton as the model for a well run club. Their managers and players are regularly picked off... and it doesn't matter, because they have underlying strategy and clarity of purpose. I very much hope that one thing that comes out of this debacle is that a deeply experienced football director (not CW! That would have echoes of Putin oscillating between president and PM) is appointed, who will figure out what we want to be, what we need to get there - and then start working through it.
Can you explain how this is vaguely like Putin in any way……
 
You know what in a perfect world Wilder would not be my choice but we don’t live in a perfect world do we . And to be honest my only interest in getting promoted to the premier league is to secure the long term future of the club but the reality is you would need to spend that much you are actually no better off.
Being selfish I just enjoy spending my Saturdays commuting between Manchester and Sheffield, see my mates in town , have a few beers and put the world to rights . You can keep the plastic fans, half and half scarfs, VAR and shithousing .So if we are trapped in the hamster wheel that is the championship so be it .
UTB FTO ⚔️
 
Aimed at me. It's incumbent on me to point out that my DMs are open if you want those magic beans or the bridge in London. Great Bladey Blade prices 😉.

What a word would you use for winning the league with bankrupt Northampton, the favourites to finish bottom who weren't paying their players for months? Not only winning it but absolutely smashing it. Or an automatic promotion with a relegation budget and 9th placed Prem finish with a bunch of league one and Championship players. I used 'miracle' instead of more long winded phrases like 'ridiculous overachievement' 'surreal overachievement', mind boggling overachievement'. You get the gist. For brevities sake more than anything. I can amend with similar in future if it's a big issue
All excellent achievements, but as already mentioned, a long time ago; I'm afraid he's not the same person, lets emotions get in the way now.

I'll remember you for any future magic bean requirements though 👍😂
 
I’m just glad it’s over to be honest. My big lesson from Wilder II was, it’s all about winning football matches. I didn’t want him back a second time but I’ve got to admit, I increasingly got over it as we won matches. I suspect it’ll be the same this time.
 
All excellent achievements, but as already mentioned, a long time ago; I'm afraid he's not the same person, lets emotions get in the way now.

I'll remember you for any future magic bean requirements though 👍😂
This is how I feel about Wilder. When he first came back I remember having a lot of debates on here about him still being the real deal and that he’d done alright at Boro & Watford was a bad environment.

But ultimately, we didn’t see the same wilder second time around at all. The premiership season he was marginally more organised than Hecky, however, we still took some batterings.

Then last season we wasn’t good to watch, the owners sacked him because they wanted attacking football from what they said in their statement. We through away so many games & we wasn’t good at all during the back end of the season.

I also came on here after we lost the play offs because I felt he bottled it & didn’t do anything to change the system.

Has he learned from this? I’m not sure he has, he’s a stubborn man we all know that & his response now will be…were you better without me?
 
All this talk of miracles, I imagine some punters have already set the wheels in motion for a sainthood? But you know, he has a promotion on his CV from way back when, so let's crack on.
Without a doubt Chris is the best option and 71 percent of fans agree. Just let him do his magic and let's appreciate what we have rather than some fantasy manager who will make us one of the biggest clubs in Europe. We have tried that several times and it always ends in tears.
 
It was fair enough by COH to try for a restart / change in direction after we lost in the play off final. However where they failed was in making an unfathomable appointment in Selles. Probably one of the worst appointments in football history. Regrettably - given the dire situation we are now in - they cannot experiment anymore & need to ‘protect’ our position in the Chanpionship this season. Relegation would be catastrophic from a financial perspective.
 
The new owners were in clear danger of losing the backing of the fans within months of arriving and they've seen how that's playing out very badly at Swillsboro, so I think that's influenced the play here. I think they've gone down the Wilder route because 1) he's very good at getting results at this level and 2) if it doesn't work out the fans can't say "should have kept Wilder instead of getting XYZ in". Like you say its a safe choice from a PR perspective, and whilst I have reservations there are some reasons for positivity... eg Brewster has gone so he can't hamstring us in that respect anymore.
The new owners lost my support as soon as I read 'data driven recruitment' which in plain English means.

We haven't got a clue so let's say something technical that sounds good, the fans won't know what it means anyway.
 
He literally won us 92 points last season, really don't understand why he gets so muck flack for a club legend. Some poor bits of transfer business sure totally get that but he knows how to win games of football and get out of this division ffs and he unites the fan base. Style of football? sure not the most progressive or modern way of playing but again it wins games of football. Get behind him and lets get out of this mess
 
If the owners choose to bring Wilder back then who manages Wilder, he needs managing and its clear that Bettis cant do it.
Call it DOF or whatever but it needs a strong football person who takes no shit and the authority to hire and fire .

The scene from lock stock immediately springs to mind ..

" If you get pissed in the Banner ,you're sacked , if you start fights and get fines , your sacked , if you say something when weve told you to keep you mouth shut , your sacked , if your mates tweet shit your sacked...in fact Chris your going to find it difficult to stay employed"

 
It was fair enough by COH to try for a restart / change in direction after we lost in the play off final. However where they failed was in making an unfathomable appointment in Selles. Probably one of the worst appointments in football history. Regrettably - given the dire situation we are now in - they cannot experiment anymore & need to ‘protect’ our position in the Chanpionship this season. Relegation would be catastrophic from a financial perspective.
I think this really sums it up.

Although have always been a fan of Wilder, I was in support of a change of direction and thought timing was right, however, the choice of Selles was bizarre - especially without adding experience to support him.

Perhaps on reflection, it was just a few tweaks that were needed, such as refreshing the coaching staff and the introduction of a DoF. How receptive Wilder would have been to that’s debatable but IMO it should’ve been the key point for negotiations.

While I’m happy Wilder is back, my concern is that these discussions did take place and that’s why we parted company with CW. Hopefully, we can still make these changes because I believe it would us stronger and Wilder an even better manger.
 
The new owners were in clear danger of losing the backing of the fans within months of arriving and they've seen how that's playing out very badly at Swillsboro, so I think that's influenced the play here. I think they've gone down the Wilder route because 1) he's very good at getting results at this level and 2) if it doesn't work out the fans can't say "should have kept Wilder instead of getting XYZ in". Like you say its a safe choice from a PR perspective, and whilst I have reservations there are some reasons for positivity... eg Brewster has gone so he can't hamstring us in that respect anymore.
I think a lot of the time us fans(and those of other clubs) are far too arrogant with an inflated sense of self-worth. You only have to look at them lot in S6 to see the extreme of that notion.

Owners do not give a solitary fuck about us as fans. We influence the square root of fuck all. No amount of protesting, writing to MPs or whining to shit radio phone ins will alter that.

All they care about is their investment. Does the decision they make add or subtract value from their asset. The decision came about as they realised their £100m investment was about to worth less than half that if the trajectory was to continue. Hiring Wilder is aimed at getting their asset back to its market value.

Any fans who think they're that important or play any significance in the grand scheme are simply deluded
 

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