Is our transfer inactivity beginning to worry anyone?

[Teddy]

I suppose what these “chance conversion” stats don’t do is give credit to the striker for being in the right place to have a chance. I would have a better Xg than Didzy and others because I’d be busy throwing up on the halfway line from tracking back one time and therefore never have a single chance to convert - then I can just blame poor service and point at my steady Xg

 

[blade too long]

Stats are over relied on to tell how a players doing. Take passing. Some players play lots of safe 2 to 8 yard passes and get high percentage completion figures. Some like Norwood and Fleck hit 15 to 40 yard passes with a higher risk of it being intercepted or a foot or two out ..their completion percentage will therefore suffer by comparison but a stat doesn't explain that

 

[BushBlade]

I suppose what these “chance conversion” stats don’t do is give credit to the striker for being in the right place to have a chance. I would have a better Xg than Didzy and others because I’d be busy throwing up on the halfway line from tracking back one time and therefore never have a single chance to convert - then I can just blame poor service and point at my steady Xg

Your Xg would be 0.

 

[BushBlade]

Stats are over relied on to tell how a players doing. Take passing. Some players play lots of safe 2 to 8 yard passes and get high percentage completion figures. Some like Norwood and Fleck hit 15 to 40 yard passes with a higher risk of it being intercepted or a foot or two out ..their completion percentage will therefore suffer by comparison but a stat doesn't explain that

The professionals are well aware of this and the other deficiencies of statistics and it’s why proper teams like ours actually go and watch players in addition to the far more sophisticated data they pay for.

 

[Teddy]

Your Xg would be 0.

I had completely misunderstood how it works - have had a google and think I get it now.

The general point still stands (I think) that a striker isn’t credited for getting in a goal scoring position... unless they score. They would have a high Xg and a low goals scored stat which makes them look bad. If a player rarely gets in a goal scoring position but when they do they score they have a low Xg with a good return of goals scored - making them look good (but getting poor service).

Unless I’ve still misunderstood which is entirety plausible.

 

[Beans]

I had completely misunderstood how it works - have had a google and think I get it now.

The general point still stands (I think) that a striker isn’t credited for getting in a goal scoring position... unless they score. They would have a high Xg and a low goals scored stat which makes them look bad. If a player rarely gets in a goal scoring position but when they do they score they have a low Xg with a good return of goals scored - making them look good (but getting poor service).

Unless I’ve still misunderstood which is entirety plausible.

You've not misunderstood, all I'd say is that there's nothing inherently "bad" about having a high xG, in fact the complete opposite because as you say it means players are playing in a highly creative team OR are getting into great positions for a shot (or both). You want players to have as high an xG as possible as by definition that means that with an average finishing ability that player will score a lot of goals.

McGoldrick deserves some credit for getting on the end of the chances he did last season (in the same way we talk about Sharp as "always being in the right place at the right time" - it's a skill), it's just that his finishing was almost impossibly bad/unlucky. This is a good article on it actually wot I somehow had never read before https://statsbomb.com/2020/02/the-s...s-david-mcgoldrick-a-statsbomb-investigation/

There's a line right at the end of that that I feel was specifically written for Revolution

 

[BushBlade]

I had completely misunderstood how it works - have had a google and think I get it now.

The general point still stands (I think) that a striker isn’t credited for getting in a goal scoring position... unless they score. They would have a high Xg and a low goals scored stat which makes them look bad. If a player rarely gets in a goal scoring position but when they do they score they have a low Xg with a good return of goals scored - making them look good (but getting poor service).

Unless I’ve still misunderstood which is entirety plausible.

Well if you get into a lot of scoring positions and keep missing, you’re not a very good striker. It’s pretty simple. Didsy is a good player but a shit finisher. You can see that with your eyes and it’s backed up by his Xg stats.

If you don’t get into scoring positions often then you won’t score that many, regardless of how clinical you are. So you might have a good Xg but a low goal tally. Xg is just a piece of the jigsaw, no one uses it as the sole measure to evaluate a striker.

 

[Revolution]

Well if you get into a lot of scoring positions and keep missing, you’re not a very good striker. It’s pretty simple. Didsy is a good player but a shit finisher. You can see that with your eyes and it’s backed up by his Xg stats.

If you don’t get into scoring positions often then you won’t score that many, regardless of how clinical you are. So you might have a good Xg but a low goal tally. Xg is just a piece of the jigsaw, no one uses it as the sole measure to evaluate a striker.

That’s a good way of looking at it.

Borrowing a bit from baseball stats, it may be the case that someone who consistently does better than their Xg season by season is a good finisher, and someone who always does worse is not. I suspect that Xg has not existed long enough to determine if this is true.

 

[Teddy]

Well if you get into a lot of scoring positions and keep missing, you’re not a very good striker. It’s pretty simple. Didsy is a good player but a shit finisher. You can see that with your eyes and it’s backed up by his Xg stats.

If you don’t get into scoring positions often then you won’t score that many, regardless of how clinical you are. So you might have a good Xg but a low goal tally. Xg is just a piece of the jigsaw, no one uses it as the sole measure to evaluate a striker.

Cheers for the education (that’s sounds really sarcastic - I assure you it isn’t) that makes sense to me now. You can’t look at it in isolation as chances not being created is, or at least can be, the fault of both a striker and their service. But a striker who consistently doesn’t take their chances, as you say, isn’t much of a striker.

Complex this football malarkey.

 

[Teddy]

You've not misunderstood, all I'd say is that there's nothing inherently "bad" about having a high xG, in fact the complete opposite because as you say it means players are playing in a highly creative team OR are getting into great positions for a shot (or both). You want players to have as high an xG as possible as by definition that means that with an average finishing ability that player will score a lot of goals.

McGoldrick deserves some credit for getting on the end of the chances he did last season (in the same way we talk about Sharp as "always being in the right place at the right time" - it's a skill), it's just that his finishing was almost impossibly bad/unlucky. This is a good article on it actually wot I somehow had never read before https://statsbomb.com/2020/02/the-s...s-david-mcgoldrick-a-statsbomb-investigation/

There's a line right at the end of that that I feel was specifically written for Revolution

Good read that - thanks.

“Just imagine what this team might do if one of their strikers wasn’t chronically unable to finish”

Harsh but hopeful

 

[BushBlade]

Cheers for the education (that’s sounds really sarcastic - I assure you it isn’t) that makes sense to me now. You can’t look at it in isolation as chances not being created is, or at least can be, the fault of both a striker and their service. But a striker who consistently doesn’t take their chances, as you say, isn’t much of a striker.

Complex this football malarkey.

It is these days. I’ve seen huge changes since I’ve been watching. Everything is measured and monitored, lots of work has been done by intelligent people all over the world to analyse every aspect of it. Players are drilled constantly on positional play, movement, team play etc. Being a yard out of position can cost you a goal. Everything is small margins.

 

[blade67]

We've now signed as many as anyone except L33ds

Villa have signed cash and a kid from exeter.

We probably need more quality up front or just behind the forwards but we now have the basis of a decent squad

Freeman to Bogle
K Bryan to Ampadu
no-one to Lowe
Henderson to Ramsdale
More to foderingham

Overall the squad is stringer and we hope Ramsdale can be effective

I think Berge was a deal brought forward to strengthen midfield and Ampadu also does that

2 in up front is a big step forward in the next 4 wseeks

 

[8lade]

As I pointed out earlier we are already stronger now than at the start of last season even if you accept:
Ramsdale isn't as good as Henderson and we haven't replaced L Freeman.
Berge, Robinson and Rodwell all arrived in January. Now we have Ampadu, Bogle and Lowe the defence and midfield look even more solid.
We really need that striker over the line, if you look at worst case scenarios Mousset- god knows what we are getting and McGoldrick stats more of a midfielder than a striker. Sharp, McBurnie? We just need more.

 

[Elkmooseloose]

Tips for you guys :

In Norway, media says that you have bought Sarpsborgs player Ismael Coulibaly (19) and will rent him out to Beerschot in the Belgian league. Coulibaly is a central midfielder and a talented player. He has 4 goals in 14 matches this season until he was sold now.

https://www.tv2.no/sport/11636418/
https://www.sarpsborg08.no/nyheter/ismael-coulibaly-solgt-til-sheffield-united-klar-for-beerschot

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Anyone?

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Really is Shit or get off the pot time for the board and negotiators now.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I got told 'no' in a variety of different ways originally, with this OP.

It's sad to see that some of these concerns came to fruition after all, maybe around the time it began to unravel if certain accounts from the past few days are to be believed.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

Yes

 

[BladeTillIDie]

Jesus the comments back then are frightening! I thought many were worried we werent looking at LCBs and midfielders?

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Jesus the comments back then are frightening! I thought many were worried we werent looking at LCBs and midfielders?

It's interesting to look back now and see that several of the key issues were starting to bubble away. Those issues that have now led to one of the worst times in our club's recent history, the loss of a club legend and squabbling within the fan base.

Wage structures, top targets missed to name two.

 

[Snowflake]

It's interesting to look back now and see that several of the key issues were starting to bubble away. Those issues that have now led to one of the worst times in our club's recent history, the loss of a club legend and squabbling within the fan base.

Wage structures, top targets missed to name two.

Whilst very disappointing , to be in the Premiership/ Championship is hardly the worst time in recent history !

 

[robbiez666]

I got told 'no' in a variety of different ways originally, with this OP.

It's sad to see that some of these concerns came to fruition after all, maybe around the time it began to unravel if certain accounts from the past few days are to be believed.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we had obvious problems before we kicked off.

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/midfield-worries.82660/
https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/injuries.80073/

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we had obvious problems before we kicked off.

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/midfield-worries.82660/
https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/injuries.80073/

Christ, I thought I'd been reading tea leaves, tha's practically Mystic Meg

 

[robbiez666]

Christ, I thought I'd been reading tea leaves, tha's practically Mystic Meg

Oh, I'm usually wrong but the midfield and injuries were both fairly obvious issues.