Is letting JCR go Cloughie's worst decision?

[Living In a Fantasy World]

It is a very strange decision, he must have been playing every other game and playing reasonably well for us too. Clough must have thought that with Flynn/ Coutts and Davis in the squad he wasn't going to play him so loaned him out.
Funnily enough our right wing is now one of our weakest areas recently, since Coutts and Flynn have had poor run of games. I also question the Cuvelier loan as I think he could easily fit into our team at the moment.

 

[robbiez666]

Can you name someone who has played better on the right this year?

He's not the best right winger in the World, but he's the best on our books.

Fair comment. I would say that Flynn has possibly been marginally better of the both when starting, but less of a threat (Flynn adds a lot more to the defensive side). I think Clough believes JCR and Brayford can't play together. I'm assuming that's why he was loaned out. JCR has tended to be better coming on as a sub, especially in the league.

 

[The Fox]

JCR is a typical winger, sometimes they have a blinder sometimes a stinker, you can never tell which one it'll be, nether do the opposition. For that reason alone we should keep him .
He' probably not Scottish enough or short enough though !

 

[sitwell]

Cant believe how good Collins is getting ,better with each post ,we should get at least 5 million for him if we offered him. Oh nobody wanted him on loan even ?

 

[alcoblade]

Cant believe how good Collins is getting ,better with each post ,we should get at least 5 million for him if we offered him. Oh nobody wanted him on loan even ?

You'd accept that JCR has been a real performer for us, and you've pointed out on here several times before?

UTB

 

[sitwell]

You'd accept that JCR has been a real performer for us, and you've pointed out on here several times before?

UTB

I agreed with OP Alco ,bad bad decision.

 

[finlaytheblade]

To be honest, I haven't seen anything productive from JCR for some time. For a right mid/winger, I can't recall him beating a man and putting decent crosses in on a regular basis in the last 5 or 6 games he has played. No idea why Coutts played right mid, wasn't even in the game yesterday and seemed devoid of any attacking intent. I'd have thought Ben Davies would have been a much better option on the right to get a few decent balls into the strikers???

can always come back to bite a manager on the arse we had plenty of cover pick up a few injuries and it looks a bad decision
we can take him back in a month or whenever clough feels he needs him (after 28 days) . if it is play offs he could come back play an important part for us but he is getting games which when he left he was,nt.

 

[Blade82]

Cant believe how good Collins is getting ,better with each post ,we should get at least 5 million for him if we offered him. Oh nobody wanted him on loan even ?

Where would the others who've played there end up, jmac Alcock? We know how well mcGahey is doing for tranmere too. In an ideal situation we'd have none of them but Collins is by far the best out of those.

 

[1889]

Even worse decision given that it coincides with the loan signing of a six foot plus striker, who may actually be able to get on the end of a cross?

I agree about Cuvelier too, seemed a better option than Coutts, Holt, or K Wallace and must surely have earned a run in 'our' first team?

 

[Silent Blade]

I agreed with OP Alco ,bad bad decision.

See my PM

 

[wizadry]

I can't get my head around this decision, he's scored 7 goals for us, he chips in with more of everything compared to the rest of our midfielders barring Murphy of course but he's not far off him. He only has 3 goals less than Murphy and Murphy has played 11 more games than him. very confused by this one indeed.

 

[S5Blade]

Ffs Silent Blade I want a PM.

Obviously JCR has left and is now compareable to Cristiano Ronaldo, when he comes back he will be compared to fat Ronaldo.

Just the way blades fans are. I don't think he's anything special, lost count of the number of times he tries to skin 2/3 defenders and just falls over, runs the ball out of play or just Messes it up. Always trying to do too much for me and showboating when it's really not needed and he had maybe 1 good cross in 10.

 

[Mancblade1889]

As I said in my posts on the day JCR left on loan I thought it was a bad move and a very strange decision.
At that time he would definitely be in my top 3 Blades players and 1 of the few players who carries a threat to our opponents.
I think the results since he left support this and also the theory JCR would help us playing against the top clubs hasn't worked eg 0-3 defeat yesterday v Swindon.
I personally think this is Clough's worst decision by a mile.
Do you agree?

Yes not only do we have no height in the team now getting rid of JCR left us with no real pace either. A team with no pace and height what are our strengths to play to

 

[Grecian2000]

On it's own it's not nearly his worst decision.

Sadly, when you exacerbate it by playing Coutts in that position it looks really dreadful. If Flynn were playing like he did last back end (which he hasn't been) it would have been OK. If FC were back to full fitness and showing signs of hitting form it would have been acceptable. Having Coutts there as a shoe in has been horrible to watch and baffling in equal measure.

 

[grafikhaus]

The Butler business?

From what I hear, and it may be well wide of the mark, Butler was encouraging Maguire to go and take the money "because you might never get another offer like that again".

If that is true thenClough was absolutely right to bomb him out of the club.

We don't need disruptive influences from within, we have enough problems from the opposition.

And that could be exactly our problem. I'd imagine players have discussed such things since football was invented. What do we want, a dressing room where everybody is frightened to speak their mind? If so, where are the 'natural leaders' going to come from?

NC has created an atmosphere where players are afraid - and you can see it on the pitch. I should imagine an 'up-and-at-'em' bloke like Morgs is chewing his knuckles in frustration.

Butler, Brandy, J C-R. Refusal to give Adams his head or give Reed a fair crack of the whip. Constant sniping at McNulty. Determination to get rid of di Giralamo. A pattern is emerging and it's hardly a text-book in man-management.

Back to J C-R yes, his crossing accuracy was patchy but that's what you get in the Third Division. I've hardly noticed a sudden improvement in dead-ball deliveries, crosses or free-kicks since he was bombed out.

But what makes this decision doubly mystifying is that we've finally found a 'fox-in-the-box' who can get on the end of crosses and Clough has rubbed out the best form of supply.

 

[S6Blade]

He's no world beater but he gave us two attacking outlets on the wing, we now have one. He was very hit and miss but he occupied defenders enough for Murphy to have more freedom and flourish.

I remember Blackwell adopting a similar approach of having one flair player on one wing and "locking up" the other wing. Sadly this isn't the only similarity I've noticed with Clough and Blackwell.

 

[wizadry]

Obviously JCR has left and is now compareable to Cristiano Ronaldo, when he comes back he will be compared to fat Ronaldo.[/USER]
Some people love to say stuff like this just to exaggerate a point when it isn't needed.

No one has said he's the best player in the world, what is evident is that he contributes more than any other midfielder apart from Murphy, now if you get rid of players like this you're automatically going to have people questioning the decision and rightly so imo.

What pisses me of is that people are quick to berate JCR, Mcnulty and Baxter yet these are the only ones that have been here all season other than Murphy who have scored any substantial amount of goals for us, you take these 4 players out of the side along with the new lad Done and we are relegation fodder.

 

[S5Blade]

Maybe an exaggerated point but the theory is valid that as soon as player leaves he is a world beater. JCR has an average rating on the S24SU ratings of 6.05 for this season. Not a bad gauge of how good he is actually perceived over the course of a season by fans rather than "He's gone, what a stupid decision, he is amazingggggggggggggggg"

Would be interesting if there was a way we could view / compare ratings for players at this point of the season and see where people rank etc Foxy ?

 

[bladesadviser]

Also I remember when Done had signed and scored a couple early on I heard Clough say on the radio that "he (Done) would have scored loads before Christmas with the balls that went into the box". Well who was putting them in in a lot of cases?

I wouldn't mind if he was now playing Ben Davies instead we are playing a player out of position

 

[wizadry]

Maybe an exaggerated point but the theory is valid that as soon as player leaves he is a world beater. JCR has an average rating on the S24SU ratings of 6.05 for this season. Not a bad gauge of how good he is actually perceived over the course of a season by fans rather than "He's gone, what a stupid decision, he is amazingggggggggggggggg"

Would be interesting if there was a way we could view / compare ratings for players at this point of the season and see where people rank etc Foxy ?

I don't support that theory, i rate each player seperately and if you look back through my posts on JCR i have always thought he was decent and certainly better than what we've got. No disrespect to the ratings system but there is only a very small amount of fans vote on it so i don't call that a barometer to go on. Also people have certain agendas on here so if they don't like a player they vote him shite, not saying that's you 'btw'.

 

[Revolution]

Maybe an exaggerated point but the theory is valid that as soon as player leaves he is a world beater. JCR has an average rating on the S24SU ratings of 6.05 for this season. Not a bad gauge of how good he is actually perceived over the course of a season by fans rather than "He's gone, what a stupid decision, he is amazingggggggggggggggg"

Would be interesting if there was a way we could view / compare ratings for players at this point of the season and see where people rank etc Foxy ?

Yes, you are exaggerating. You are not reading what people are saying.

Everyone is saying that he's not the best in the World, but the best we have for that position.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

 

[Bladepicker]

I don't think he is the best in the world.

I don't think he is the best in that position.

However he certainly offers something totally different to what we have and would have been a fantastic impact sub (which is when he is at his best) in games like Saturday.

Strange one.

 

[TonyAgana]

I don't think he is the best in the world.

I don't think he is the best in that position.

However he certainly offers something totally different to what we have and would have been a fantastic impact sub (which is when he is at his best) in games like Saturday.

Strange one.

That was the point I made on another thread. Particularly the Peterborough game, with a total lack of height and strength, we needed pace and width. He isn't "plan A" (and wouldn't be mine) but he's a very useful option. To wipe that out was (and still is) rather baffling.

 

[wizadry]

I don't think he is the best in that position.

Who would you say contributes more than JCR in that position because i'm struggling to see someone.

 

[Bladepicker]

wizadry With Brayford behind, Flynn or Davies for me as they work in tandem better.

Also, and this is unfrotunate for JCR, but with his quick acceleration and trickery he does better against tired legs, so it is beeter to start with Flynn/Davies then bring on JCR after 65 mi utes rather than the other way round.

 

[TonyAgana]

Who would you say contributes more than JCR in that position because i'm struggling to see someone.

I'm eagerly awaiting an answer to this, too. You could name without a moments thought a solid option for every position on the park and we'd get roughly the same answers. Right wing, though?...

Edit - where would one find individual player statistics such as "assists"?

 

[wizadry]

With Brayford behind, Flynn or Davies for me as they work in tandem better.

Also, and this is unfrotunate for JCR, but with his quick acceleration and trickery he does better against tired legs, so it is beeter to start with Flynn/Davies then bring on JCR after 65 mi utes rather than the other way round.

Fair enough mate. I don't know why Davies isn't getting more games as he did quite well before his injury, i'd rather have him than Flynn at the moment but ultimately for me JCR is our main man there. He takes 2 players with him almost everytime, this should leave spaces around the rest of the pitch, it's then down to the management and players to capatalise on this space and use it to good effect.

 

[Bladepicker]

Fair enough mate. I don't know why Davies isn't getting more games as he did quite well before his injury, i'd rather have him than Flynn at the moment but ultimately for me JCR is our main man there. He takes 2 players with him almost everytime, this should leave spaces around the rest of the pitch, it's then down to the management and players to capatalise on this space and use it to good effect.

It's close for me don't get me wrong and there are occasions I would start with JCR.

Davies gets the nod for me if fully fit.

 

[wizadry]

It's close for me don't get me wrong and there are occasions I would start with JCR.

Davies gets the nod for me if fully fit.

I don't mind Davies at all, he can also score which is what we have missed up until recently, definately Davies over Coutts in that position, Coutts has to play in the middle when he's fully fit as to me he quite clearly isn't fully fit at the moment, although he has shown glimpses that he could be a good player for us.

 

[Foxy]

No disrespect to the ratings system but there is only a very small amount of fans vote on it so i don't call that a barometer to go on. Also people have certain agendas on here so if they don't like a player they vote him shite, not saying that's you 'btw'.

... Not taking it as disrespectful in the slightest, but it's actually the most contributed to collection of Blades player ratings I know of and therefore by definition is in my opinion the fairest barometer of people's opinions available.