Is it all DW's Fault?

[Hodgyman]

I will start this thread by saying I am (among many others) really unhappy with the things as they are at BDTBL. With the exciting start in the first game of the season, I was optimistic of having an entertaining season, if not a promotion campaign.

I have pondered since the notorious Radio Sheffield interview, whether there was something deeper such as :

DW playing to a formula set for him by the clubs owners that they perceived to be a recipe for promotion as enjoyed by Charlton a couple of seasons ago?

Or another example of player power that saw the demise of Danny Wilson's reign?

It seems strange that the season started so well with a thrilling game against Notts. County

What do you think?

Is it a time to purge out the rotten eggs and/or convince the board to stop meddling in direct football matters?

 

[alcoblade]

I will start this thread by saying I am (among many others) really unhappy with the things as they are at BDTBL. With the exciting start in the first game of the season, I was optimistic of having an entertaining season, if not a promotion campaign.

I have pondered since the notorious Radio Sheffield interview, whether there was something deeper such as :

DW playing to a formula set for him by the clubs owners that they perceived to be a recipe for promotion as enjoyed by Charlton a couple of seasons ago?

Or another example of player power that saw the demise of Danny Wilson's reign?

It seems strange that the season started so well with a thrilling game against Notts. County

What do you think?

Is it a time to purge out the rotten eggs and/or convince the board to stop meddling in direct football matters?

Is the answer Marlon King?

Seriously though, I have wondered if Weir's determination to stick to a formation that isn't working has in some way been dictated from on high.

UTB

 

[highpeakblade]

I think the manager has to take a certain degree of responsibility for the set up, formation etc because it blatently isn't working on a whole. We dominate certain periods of games, we have a good share of possession in games and dominate in midfield in games but we haven't created hardly anything in the final third of the pitch. Weir for me has had ample opportunities to change things if only when in a losing position he could have looked at plan b and switched to 2 up front to see how it works. So in that respect I do feel he has a part to play.

That said i'm very old fashioned in my opinion of professional footballers and think that once they cross the line they should at the least be doing the basics right and we haven't been doing so in large percentages of games also. I hate to see players hitting the first man from set pieces / crosses and this has happened way too much. Some of the mistakes that have cost us so far this season have been schoolboy and for one of the best back fours in this league our marking this year has been very questionable.

A bit of everyone at blame at the minute for me. Professional footballers should be able to carve out a bit of luck themselves regardless of formation by doing the basics right. For some reason as of yet they haven't been. Weir however should be playing to our strengths and weaknesses and for me should see that a change in our style of play formation is needed to make things easier for the lads.

 

[Kev Gee]

Its all DWs fault.
Lets string him up from the Noose & Gibbet!

Seriously though, hes had a very rude awakening to this management lark & he better buck his ideas up sharpish.
MK had better start banging the goals in starting saturday if he is to rescue his career.

 

[sheffielder]

I think I have said it a few times, however until we get rid of the players that have been involved From the Micky Adams days through to today then I don't see much changing. I think even Chrissy Morgan could do with a fresh start.

Doyle, Collins, Hill, Williams and Porter although may give 100% in some peoples eyes, is their heart still in it anymore?

However well Collins plays I always just see a frustrated man.

 

[brownie4583]

The formation has got to be changed sometimes and also during a game!
You can't keep to a 4-5-1 when you are 0-1 or 0-2 behind at home,then you have to bring a 2nd striker on and go 4-4-2/4-2-4 or 4-3-3 etc to try and get back into the game surely!
Sack DW and i will take over....i will attack and give you plenty of goals,2 strikers(1 a target man and good in the air Deano style),2 fast attacking wingers getting plenty of good crosses into the danger area,1 ball winner(not Doyle) and 1 playmaker in the middle of the park(Brownie style player)passing forwards,not sideways and backwards,2 quick full backs encouraged to get forward at every opportunity,2 solid centre halves and a good commanding keeper behind them and work on some good set pieces.
I have a shopping list and reckon i could put this team together for say......£50 million ish and i have 7 league titles and 4 cup wins on OFM on the iphone
This is what we are crying out for....exciting attacking entertaining football,if they score 3 we will score 4!!

 

[DazBlade88]

He's partly at fault, but he's not fully responsible in my opinion.

Yes, the formation looks negative but this system is all about movement and getting into forward areas from deep. We need to start moving the ball quicker if it's to be effective. I've said it time and time again that we need attacking full backs and he needs to bring at least one in soon.

The players also need to take some responsibility for me. The amount of times I've seen a player have the opportunity to play a forward pass but decide to do a 360 degree turn and pass it back to a defender so far this season is ridiculous. Why not show a bit of bottle, grab the bull by the horns so to speak and try to make something happen? Is it a lack of ability? Lack of confidence? Scared to make a mistake? I'm all for keeping possession instead of a 50/50 ball, that's fine. But there's been far too many occassions where an opportunity to play a forward pass and get us in a dangerous area has been turned down for a simple backwards pass that gets us nowhere.

 

[StarBlade]

He's partly to blame, but there are higher beings that are more to blame. It's not DW's fault that we're in Division 3 for the third consecutive year. That falls entirely on the heads of the McCabe family.

The performances/tactics/signings etc this season I believe are entirely down to DW but, with the full knowledge of those up above. If I was a fly on the wall, I expect he was asked how he would play the game at the interview stage, gave an honest answer and from there was given the job.

I believe he believes his system will work, it might well do. Will Marlon King provide the final solution? I'm not sure at the moment, I think we're lacking elsewhere in the supply chain so if DW is to succeed, I think we need to now sort out the wings, and get the ball higher up the field and keep it there. Is it a formation or player problem? It seems like both.

I honestly don't know what I should be expecting with a 4-5-1 formation, 1-0 wins based on a break-away goal?

Anyway, we've made a signing in the right area in my opinion, we still need more though.

 

[Fiery Blade]

As David Weir alluded to in August - 'Football is a results game !'
Look at the results Davie boy
End of Chat !

 

[Hodgyman]

Would it be cheaper to move the senior players out who may be stirring "player power" up?

Perhaps killing two birds with one stone, curing unrest and getting rid of under-performing players?

If we don't, we'll only have the same problem to solve with the next manager.

 

[CG Blade]

Would it be cheaper to move the senior players out who may be stirring "player power" up?

Perhaps killing two birds with one stone, curing unrest and getting rid of under-performing players?

If we don't, we'll only have the same problem to solve with the next manager.

Been saying that for a few weeks, we apparently have the money, so pay of the players he doesn't want and bring players in that Weir thinks can do the job. Then we will know whether he will make it or not. It will also get rid of some of the shite we have.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Been saying that for a few weeks, we apparently have the money, so pay of the players he doesn't want and bring players in that Weir thinks can do the job. Then we will know whether he will make it or not. It will also get rid of some of the shite we have.

He's already signed ELEVEN players. A full team. Only one defender mind and he doesn't pick him:-

DF:- McGinty
CM:- McGinn, Cuvelier, Coady, Baxter
WM:- Brandy, Hall, Johns
CF:- King, Taylor, Bunn

How many more players does he need to sign before we can consider it to be Weir's team and start judging him?

 

[Ted Danson]

Weir is a big problem, we're just so negative and boring its like watching Robsons team again. Its a shame because he seems to be bringing in the right sorts of players but the system is wank. I fully agree we need attacking fullbacks too. We're never going to break away and score though when we have 11 men behind the ball all the time. Every corner the opposition gets we dont even have 1 man on the half way line which is just ridiculous.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Would it be cheaper to move the senior players out who may be stirring "player power" up?

Perhaps killing two birds with one stone, curing unrest and getting rid of under-performing players?

If we don't, we'll only have the same problem to solve with the next manager.

Ståle Solbakken failed to stop the rot at Wolverhampton and was sacked after losing to Luton. Things never improved after he left and they still got relegated. Solbakken has now returned to his former club FC Copenhagen and was praised after drawing with Juventus in the Champions League this week.

Maybe it shows that a manager isn't necessarily rubbish even if he fails to produce immediate results.

Ståle Solbakken and Copenhagen's sensational performance against Juventus became a topic of conversation even in the press room at Molieneux last night.

The club that sacked the Norwegian coach after just six months got relegated to level three in English football. Yesterday they lost to Walsall (0-1). But at Molineux Stadium Stale Solbakken was suddenly a topic again.

- It's a bit special that we are in the press room at Molineux discussing Ståle Solbakken and the battle between Copenhagen and Juventus while Wolves is playing, admits Bill Howell covering WWFC for Birmingham Mail.

- Was the right man

- I do not think Wolves would have been relegated if Solbakken had stayed Wolves manager. History shows that they were too quick to sack him. I can not help but think what Solbakken could have achieved if the club management had been a bit braver, addressed the problems of individuals in the group of players and let him carry the player purchases he wanted, says Howell.

The Wolves expert says he has the impression that most fans think Solbakken was the right man, but the job was impossible when he was cleaning the stables and recoup their players.

- Solbakken took over a club falling apart, and without help from the Chairman and CEO, it was impossible to change course. The consolation will be that the current manager has been given the backing that Solbakken didn't get, says Howell.

Solbakken was well liked by most players. This was clarified when the Norwegian was sacked after the embarrassing cup exit at Luton.
- Almost every player contacted Solbakken, said they were sorry and wished him good luck. It proves how popular he was as manager here, says Howell. He believes Solbakken's biggest mistake was not to acquire an English assistant coach.

- Solbakken was a good manager from the very first day. He had something special about him but fell victim to a club that was "poisoned," says Howell.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

No it's not all his fault. He is learning and inherited a poor squad. That's not to say he hasn't got things wrong so far because he has and must learn how to fix certain things quickly. I think he's slowly but surely bringing in a better standard of player which will help him.

I think we'll win today and that will be the catalyst for improved results.

 

[JohnDenver]

I think I have said it a few times, however until we get rid of the players that have been involved From the Micky Adams days through to today then I don't see much changing. I think even Chrissy Morgan could do with a fresh start.

This is the crux of it. Our senior men, top earners and supposed leaders are proven failures.

The January window needs to see them replaced (or supplemented) with men who can set an example when the chips are down. The current lot go missing.

 

[sheffielder]

This is the crux of it. Our senior men, top earners and supposed leaders are proven failures.

The January window needs to see them replaced (or supplemented) with men who can set an example when the chips are down. The current lot go missing.

As soon as we go behind Doyle goes missing.