Is Hendo the new Montgomery? i.e. The Hate Figure?

[Jim Chimmerney]

Isnt the debate about Henderson the same as the one about Heskey playing for England?

No, because England have goalscoring midfielders to compensate. Oh, and Wayne Rooney.

Cotts, Treacy, Squinny and Wardy (if you count his starting position) all scored from midfield this season.

 

[judge]

i know one thing i hope hendo and morgs arent missing from the derby line up as they were last season
we were totally out muscled all over the park last season losing our proud derby record

 

[theblade1957]

I think you knocking the LADS should just go watch the wendies, we have had the best start to a campain in ages and still you have to moan and groan about the playing staff, it just shows how little you muppets know about football, ive been a level 2 coach for a number of years now and i do look at united with coaches eyes, hendo is a very big player for united, when hes not there we do not play as well,maybe you all want blackie to fail so you muppets can then say, we told you so, well i think you might have to wait a little longer, i feel the teams got good balance and with just a little bit of luck we will be there or there abouts.

 

[SBSP]

I think you knocking the LADS should just go watch the wendies, we have had the best start to a campain in ages and still you have to moan and groan about the playing staff, it just shows how little you muppets know about football, ive been a level 2 coach for a number of years now and i do look at united with coaches eyes, hendo is a very big player for united, when hes not there we do not play as well,maybe you all want blackie to fail so you muppets can then say, we told you so, well i think you might have to wait a little longer, i feel the teams got good balance and with just a little bit of luck we will be there or there abouts.

Standard response for someone who hasn't got a clue what he is talking about!

 

[Muttley]

I reckon to play Hendo, we need to be playing 3 up front. Hendo to knock the ball either side to other strikers. Using him as a striker dosen't work....he dosen't score enough goals and most of the time gets penalised for fouling, guilty or not.

 

[Houso]

Standard response for someone who hasn't got a clue what he is talking about!

I'm not going to get an answer am I?

 

[SBSP]

I'm not going to get an answer am I?

Sorry mate - which question?

You have my full attention

 

[jodman]

I think you knocking the LADS should just go watch the wendies, we have had the best start to a campain in ages and still you have to moan and groan about the playing staff, it just shows how little you muppets know about football, ive been a level 2 coach for a number of years now and i do look at united with coaches eyes, hendo is a very big player for united, when hes not there we do not play as well,maybe you all want blackie to fail so you muppets can then say, we told you so, well i think you might have to wait a little longer, i feel the teams got good balance and with just a little bit of luck we will be there or there abouts.

If the poeple who knock the team did go and support Wednesday then we wouldn't be able to fill the DVS never mind BDTBL.

Football inspires debate and this is a football forum; if you do not wish to see people expressing their opinions on the club then you are in the wrong place.

Back on topic; i personally think that a centre forward should score goals and as such Hendersson needs to start getting on the scoresheet. I have no doubt that he will do so and i'm confident that he'll be good for 12 - 15 goals this season.

That said, I would like to see us bring in another powerful centre forward to provide some competition for the target man role and i think Marlon King would be ideal (although i think i am in the minority on that one).

 

[Sensiblade]

Yes!

And not just last year for Monty.

You'd say Monty played bad IF he scored a Hattrick cleared 4 shots off the line and didn't miss a pass.
(and before you say he couldn't do that, I don't care. I put it as an IF)

and for the record he wasn't bad last year, he was far from it.
and the same can be said for Henderson.

This I have to say is a never ending argument that no one will win and everyone will have differing opinions on.
It just so happens my opinion is right :tumbup:

 

[Houso]

Sorry mate - which question?

You have my full attention

I'm not asking again :shakehead:

 

[SBSP]

You'd say Monty played bad IF he scored a Hattrick cleared 4 shots off the line and didn't miss a pass.
(and before you say he couldn't do that, I don't care. I put it as an IF)

and for the record he wasn't bad last year, he was far from it.
and the same can be said for Henderson.

This I have to say is a never ending argument that no one will win and everyone will have differing opinions on.
It just so happens my opinion is right :tumbup:

I work on the same basis.

You are entitled to an opinion - just so happens you are wrong :thumbup:

 

[SBSP]

Have they ever played in promotion sides before?

Guessing it's this one??

I am sure the answer is yes.

But on the same basis I used to be able to play 90 mins of footy - not a prayer now.

Same thing for them.

(sorry for double post) - was hoping someone would go inbetween)

 

[Houso]

That's the badger.

And I aint having that. Monty has improved (or do you disagree) and Henderson is still relatively young.

I win :thumbup:

 

[SBSP]

That's the badger.

And I aint having that. Monty has improved (or do you disagree) and Henderson is still relatively young.

I win :thumbup:

I cannot disagree - Monty has improved. Maybe he is now up to League 2 standard?? I cannot understand why the coaches don't just have him on the training ground just learning to pass for 8 hours a day.

In both cases they have the grounding 9is this a real word?) to be a good footballer;

Monty is a pure athlete but he lacks a footballing brain or ability.

Hendo is obviously a big strong boy but he needs to learn what is important in the match (holding up the ball and occasionly scoring - not fighting with defenders, arguing with officials and getting booked / sent off).

I suppose the problem is if they could do these things well they wouldn't be playing for us.

 

[Houso]

So, is your point that he hasn't improved, hasn't improved enough, or has got worse?

 

[SBSP]

He HAS improved - BUT - he still isn't good enough

 

[Houso]

Make your mind up

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

The bottom line for me is that both Monty and Hendo do a good job at this level and are integral to the way Blackie wants us to play. We could do better in terms of getting better players or play a different style whereby their attributes are not required but they are both top Championship players and that's where we are at the moment.

If they WERE better, or performed to a level some of us are saying they should, then they would more than liklely be plying their trade away from Bramall Lane.

 

[Come from away]

PS A donkey is not a common or garden 'Farm Animal' usually found in mountainous regions of the world carrying packs of goods for tribesmen.....

See, I was right, you do know your farm animals. A Donkey is a reliable animal capable of going places not many others can, a special talent, a creature designed to deal with rough terrain. I'm liking Henderson even more now. Thanks.

 

[bramptonblade]

Henderson is a donkey Always has been always will be!
He is not the best striker in the league as Blackwell sdays He doesn't score He is not a striker,
He is a big donkey that can do knock downs occasionally
Stop building him up to be something he will never be ? A footballer

Listen to what other players say about him or maybe even watch what he does during a game both on and off the ball. His work rate is superb, he dishes out and receives a lot of punishment, it's down to other players to exploit the room he creates.........Donkey my A**E....UTB!

 

[super_pig]

>And it seems like Hendo is taking the flack

yeah despite my best efforts to make it s quinn.. bu88er.

 

[mickle-blade]

Henderson is a donkey Always has been always will be!
He is not the best striker in the league as Blackwell sdays He doesn't score He is not a striker,
He is a big donkey that can do knock downs occasionally
Stop building him up to be something he will never be ? A footballer

Have a good look at some of the defenders in the Championship. We have got to physically compete OR change our style of play.
Let's face it, we are not going to change how we play so for my money Henderson does a decent job.
He would do an even better job if referees got off his case.

 

[SBSP]

Have a good look at some of the defenders in the Championship. We have got to physically compete OR change our style of play.
Let's face it, we are not going to change how we play so for my money Henderson does a decent job.
He would do an even better job if referees got off his case.

Or better still he gives them no reason to be on it?

 

[theblade1957]

This debate as you call it will go on and on, just a quicky, who would you have do hendos job if hes not selected, i for one cant think of anyone at the club, which mean we have to loan a player(if there is any good target men available which i cant see myself)so come on tell me who??????

 

[Darren]

Shipperley was hailed a hero for getting us promoted, playing the exact same as Hendo!

With one vital difference: Shipperley scored goals.

Henderson is a very skilled player, good ball skills able to control and shield the ball while some other six foot 'Morgan' is trying to hack him down.

On a good day. On a usual day (all too often recently) he gives away free kick after free kick.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: we aren't going to be promoting playing a centre forward (often in a 4-5-1 formation) who is going to score half a dozen goals at best. There aren't enough goals in the rest of the team to compensate.

Henderson has now gone 14 games without scoring. I shudder to think what abuse Beattie would be getting for a similar run. Not everyone is happy with this output, though. The big cheer when he was substituted on Saturday is evidence of this.

Our league record last season after Beattie's last game and where Henderson was generally playing as centre forward was: P19 W10 D6 L3. - i.e 1.89 points per game and 87 over a season(more than enough for automatic promotion last season)

 

[Latters]

This debate as you call it will go on and on, just a quicky, who would you have do hendos job if hes not selected, i for one cant think of anyone at the club, which mean we have to loan a player(if there is any good target men available which i cant see myself)so come on tell me who??????

I wouldn't have anyone doing Hendo's job. I'd have Evans doing Evans' job and Ward doing Ward's job. Then I'd have wingers supplying them with the ammo that would create goals. It's simple, get the ball out wide, get some crosses in and you don't need the ball holding up because you're creating chances. We only need Henderson to hold the ball up because he's the most advanced (in terms of where he is on the pitch, not in terms of ability) player we have and he has to wait an eternity for the support to arrive after we've lumped it 40 or 50 yards to him. Problem is, rather than looking at the ball, the majority of the time he's looking straight at the defender which is why he gives so many fouls away. If he'd watch the ball rather than the man and make that his main priority his disciplinary record might not be so poor.

 

[Blade]

My view to this unfruitful debate is that I was disappointed to see us pay £2m for Henderson.

I was disappointed that he spent a lot of time injured or suspended last year.

Although I totally agree he does work hard he's not scoring this year, has shown on multiple occasions the ability to pass it off the pitch with nobody within 15 yards of him and most importantly at least 10 attacks a game are broken down because rightly or wrongly he gets penalised by referees.

We absolutely can change the way we play, we have players more than capable of playing a different style of game. What we will find very hard to do as a club is change the way that Henderson is penalised more than 50% of the time we kick the ball near him and as such I'd rather we didn't go into each game knowing in advance so many attacks are going to fail.

It's short and sweet for me, if he doesn't start scoring and if we continue to get penalised the way we are doing I believe that despite the work he does contribute we'd be better playing Evans and Ward, changing our style and running at teams more.... especially at home. I wouldn't want to try and argue that Blackwell hasn't reaped great results away from home during his stay but at home we went from ok to terrible over the summer of last year and this year it's started to look better but I still want to turn up and watch united apply pressure to teams and put them under the cosh more. With Hendo being penalised so often it's rare we manage to do so.

Also I think it's out of order to say the boo boys need a new target in this case, many fans have remained unconvinced about Henderson since he joined (especially considering the price) and it's only natural that during such a lean period for him they may start to question his worth, particularly seeing as he's getting penalised more and more. Sometimes it's not just as simple as United having clappers and boo boys, sometimes there are fans out there with concerns and even if we were top of the league and clear by 10 points it's reasonable and only natural as a fan turning up every week and paying their money that they should be allowed to have an opinion.

The manner in which people project their opinion and their timing can make a difference between whether I'll accept their POV. I accept that there are some fans that seem to move from one moan to another but you can't tarnish everyone with the same brush, there are a lot of sensible blades out there and dare I suggest there may be quite a few that don't rate Hendo at all but are happy not to rock the boat whilst we are doing ok?

Whenever he does play for us however I'd still like to see people get behind him but it will get seriously annoying if by Christmas we're still giving away so many free kicks in the opponents half whilst listening to Blackwell try to tell people he's the best CF in the division. It's Blackwell that my gripe would be with if it comes that though, not the player.