Is CW a bottler?

[Torrix1889]

I didn't need to twist your words, i just looked at your personal opinion:

And where in that personal opinion did I say that would make him a bottler?.....you are putting 2 and 2 together and not making 4!

 

[Bladezz]

I think your post is insidious and pernicious.

The term "bottler" is used to describe someone without courage - Wilder is definitely not that - and well you know it - at least, it is obvious to most people.

I'll ignore your suggestion that if Wilder should leave it will make him a "bottler" and give my view.

First, I fully expect Wilder to ramp up the ante a bit in terms of trying to exert a bit of pressure into the Boardroom situation, because his success next season depends on that being resolved fairly quickly. I don't think he's being anything other than totally honest here and I'm glad he feels able to express that concern.

Second, I do not think for one moment that Wilder will be going anywhere this summer. I think he is 100% committed to having another crack at it with the Blades. But not only that, I don't think that he has got the profile yet, as a manager, that most clubs who may be considered to be "above us" in league status or other, are actually looking for. I'm pretty sure he will have, in time, but not yet. I think he's viewed as a promising manager, but one that has plied most of his years in the lower leagues so far and no track record outside the top 2 divisions, except for an encouraging season, this season, with Sheffield United. A lot of these "bigger" clubs are looking for managers with international experience as a minimum, which is why we've got so many foreign managers at the top level. So, although us Blades have a real insight as to what a fantastic manager Wilder is, our perception of his value isn't shared by many others outside the club at the top levels of the game. Not yet.

If "95% of Blades are "shitting themselves that he will go", then I must be in the other 5% then - because I have no concerns about that whatsoever.

He will stay. 100% certain. BUT...if he isn't backed in summer to go out and bring some quality into the team, and it could be expensive because we are looking at a new strike force for a start, plus some pace in the team, a left back and a centre half, oh...and a goalkeeper, then that could be the beginning of the end.

The actual "end" will come only when Wilder feels completely hopeless and helpless that he can't take this club any further.

And we are not at that point yet.

CW stock his high. We don’t match his ambition he can walk away as pretty much a Blades legend. He waits for the Leeds / Derby / Boro job etc to come up take over there. Loads of money for him personally and a club run properly.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

But where does he go?

Simple question. If he thinks the likes of Leeds, Forest, Reading, Mittwoch offer him career development because they have more moneh to spunk - then GLTTL...

If people think any PL clubs or those coming down are interested, then I'm afraid to say he'll be behind Neil Harris and the Brentford manager whose name escapes me....

Yes he's the best man to manage Sheffield United but we're the best club for him to be at next season.

 

[SwissBlade]

And where in that personal opinion did I say that would make him a bottler?.....you are putting 2 and 2 together and not making 4!

I didn't have to make anything up, its there in your post, you believe he's leaving anyway (questioning his commitment to United against a 'better' job) and you're questioning whether he's a bottler, backing your discussion up with possible reasons why he is... concluding that he's off anyway...

 

[grafikhaus]

Love CW as much as I do but I can't help thinking that if he does walk at the first sign of boardroom trouble it will be a sure sign of him possibly believing in his own hype and a dose of billy big bollocks syndrome.

Maybe we should wait until he does walk before having this conversation?

 

[Woodwardfan]

"Family security" being a euphemism for "loads of dosh for Chris, which he can do what he likes with". I'd imagine that having being a football league manager for 7-8 years, and a non league manager for eight before that, he'll already be able to keep his family more "secure" than the vast majority of people. You make it sound like he's placing his family in danger if he continues in his well-paid job at the Lane.

Dkc . I did attempt to put my post in exactly that context but you have put it much better.

I'll expand on my view of 'family security'. Everything you earn and invest minus everything you spend ends up in a pot for your spouse and then the kids when you die.

If Wilder passes up £1m p.annum salary to stay on £400k he is affecting 'family security. I think he's been divorced so that halves his cash once.

£400k is a good salary but he has not earned anything like that for the previous 7 years - e.g. Halifax, Oxford.

When he has accumulated his first £1m he will become more relaxed. After his second million he will be 'appeh'! Then 'family security' has been established regardless of what he spends for the rest of his life.

I'm totally guessing at £400k before anybody disses it, but it won't be that far off, not enough to be thrown off the points I'm making. It is 'small fry' in football these days as I said, certainly another club would pay him more on a 3 year contract. The difference will always matter to CW and his family.

 

[Houston_Blade]

....it's like pulling the fittest bird in the club but knowng you need to make the most of the short time you have her attention before she moves on to your more handsome mate.

Fortunately I was always the most handsome bloke in the club.

 

[Dkc]

CW stock his high. We don’t match his ambition he can walk away as pretty much a Blades legend. He waits for the Leeds / Derby / Boro job etc to come up take over there. Loads of money for him personally and a club run properly.

Ah yes, Leeds are such a shining example

 

[Woodwardfan]

Maybe we should wait until he does walk before having this conversation?

No. Show him 'the love'. Pressure the owners NOW.

 

[Dkc]

When he has accumulated his first £1m he will become more relaxed. After his second million he will be 'appeh'! Then 'family security' has been established regardless of what he spends for the rest of his life.

Another five years at SUFC on the salary you estimated would keep the family secure enough

 

[Houston_Blade]

Wilder won't go anywhere unless it really goes to shit behind the scenes. In my view if he is given the same level of investment transfer fee wise as this year and a little bit more of a wage budget to work with he will be fine. If it's a case of batten down the hatches and no cash because the board are scrapping over ownership he'd be more than within his rights to look elsewhere.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

All at a very low level if football....he's literally in a different league now.

....and who’s responsible for this elevation?

Chris Wilder

*Shit post, by the way, mate

 

[Houston_Blade]

Another five years at SUFC on the salary you estimated would keep the family secure enough

It's all relative though, double your salary on £10k a year or £400k a year is still double your salary and it would turn your head at either level if offered.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Another five years at SUFC on the salary you estimated would keep the family secure enough

SUFC. 5x 400k = £2m.

WBA -3x £800k plus say 2x £600k elsewhere= £3.6m.

Why move from here?

If results next season do not start well, where does he stand with some fans even?

The new owner would not hesitate to sack him if we are in the bottom 6 by Xmas so he'd be paid-off say £1m and out of a job with a diminished reputation.

We are really vulnerable.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Second, I do not think for one moment that Wilder will be going anywhere this summer. I think he is 100% committed to having another crack at it with the Blades. But not only that, I don't think that he has got the profile yet, as a manager, that most clubs who may be considered to be "above us" in league status or other, are actually looking for. I'm pretty sure he will have, in time, but not yet. I think he's viewed as a promising manager, but one that has plied most of his years in the lower leagues so far and no track record outside the top 2 divisions, except for an encouraging season, this season, with Sheffield United. A lot of these "bigger" clubs are looking for managers with international experience as a minimum, which is why we've got so many foreign managers at the top level. So, although us Blades have a real insight as to what a fantastic manager Wilder is, our perception of his value isn't shared by many others outside the club at the top levels of the game. Not yet.

If "95% of Blades are "shitting themselves that he will go", then I must be in the other 5% then - because I have no concerns about that whatsoever.

He will stay. 100% certain. BUT...if he isn't backed in summer to go out and bring some quality into the team, and it could be expensive because we are looking at a new strike force for a start, plus some pace in the team, a left back and a centre half, oh...and a goalkeeper, then that could be the beginning of the endt.

Totally agree,
Been saying for a while we all wear our rose coloured spectacles and think Wilder is one of the most promising managers in the game
But his cv is only good because of the bad hands he’s been dealt. He’s management record is mainly league 2 and non league.
Very little league 1 experience and this season is his first ever season managing in the Championship.
Many PL fans have never even heard of him. Don’t think he has a chance of ever getting a PL job.

Also don’t think he’s much chance of getting any interest from Derby, Leeds, Southampton etc.

His cv shows the only Championship clubs where he’ll be in demand is the Bolton, Burton, Barnsley, Birmingham level.
Of course in league 1 his stock is very high and he can almost name his club in the lower leagues.

Personally the only club that I believe might seriously want Wilder, be attractive and give him a pay rise is SUNDERLAND.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I believe us fans are the biggest factor in Wilder's mind.

He'd work for less pay under McCabe with relative security of job.

How much can he trust the prince with Van Winkle in tow?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Totally agree,
Been saying for a while we all wear our rose coloured spectacles and think Wilder is one of the most promising managers in the game
But his cv is relatively average. He’s management record is mainly league 2 and non league.
Very little league 1 experience and this season is his first ever season managing in the Championship.
Many PL fans have never even heard of him. Don’t think he has a chance of ever getting a PL job.

Also don’t think he’s much chance of getting any interest from Derby, Leeds, Southampton etc.

His cv shows the only Championship clubs where he’ll be in demand is the Bolton, Burton, Barnsley, Birmingham level.
Of course in league 1 his stock is very high.

Personally the only club that I believe might seriously want Wilder, be attractive and give him a pay rise is SUNDERLAND.

Nothing is impossible in football & it always throws up surprises, I appreciate your point about our rose coloured specs regarding CW, and there might be an overestimation by the fans of his talents, but in truth the selection of managers that have managed competently in the championship is extremely shallow, that's why Adkins can still get a gig at a club like Hull and Jap Staam can get a job at Reading without ever being a permanent manager anywhere else.

I hope that the current issues can be resolved at BDTBL and CW is here for a long while yet, so hopefully just talking theoretically, as I've posted on another thread, I think that CW's realistic potential pool is Southampton (Hughes is only on a deal until the end of the season), WBA (Darren Moore in caretaker role until end of season, although he is pulling trees out), Stoke (Lambert under remainder of 2.5 yr contract), Huddersfield (Wagner has 1yr left, but if relegated would probably go to Bundesliga), Boro (Pullis contract length unknown), as an outside bet Villa (Steve Bruce is reportedly on a 'rolling contract') and as a really outside bet Sunderland (Coleman on remainder of 2.5 yr deal). These would be dependent on all but Sunderland being in the Championship next season, as I seriously doubt a club would risk employing him in the Premier League at the moment.

It wouldn't be purely a matter of salary for CW, it would be about the club's ambition, budget and the ability to act with a free hand on playing/recruitment matters, which I suspect a recently relegated ex prem side, eager to clear out the deadwood, with parachute payments and an ambition to quickly return, would be an relativity easy sell. It might also boil down to 'trust'.

 

[Chali 2na]

Don' twist my words Swiss.....I haven't said that he is a bottler.....I have asked the question as to whether he could be....subtle but big difference there...I personally have all the respect in the world for what CW has done for the club so far.

And where in that personal opinion did I say that would make him a bottler?.....you are putting 2 and 2 together and not making 4!

You called him a bottler by implication, with your pointless OP.

Your post is insidious, the subtext of which is clear for us all to see.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Love CW as much as I do but I can't help thinking that if he does walk at the first sign of boardroom trouble it will be a sure sign of him possibly believing in his own hype and a dose of billy big bollocks syndrome.

Maybe the board will ultimately call his bluff? 95% of Blades fans are shitting themselves that he will go....it's like pulling the fittest bird in the club but knowng you need to make the most of the short time you have her attention before she moves on to your more handsome mate.

His stock is still high.....but not as high as it was....you can't blame anyone for wanting a chance to better themselves but could it be a case of now or never for CW regardless of ownership arguments?

Personally I think he will be gone before the World Cup kicks off....... not because of the boardroom issues but because CW wants to.....he may never get another chance!

That's a reight opening sentence.

 

[RedandWhite]

I think he's saying what he is saying to apply pressure on the board, knowing they don't want to lose him they may hurry up with stuff. He's a clever man.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

I think he's saying what he is saying to apply pressure on the board, knowing they don't want to lose him they may hurry up with stuff. He's a clever man.

Hmmm. I personally wouldn't want to play silly beggars with KM, there's only going to be one winner.

 

[coolhandluke]

A ' bottler ' ? His arse twitches at times just like everyone else's but a bottler ...... nah, not really .

A money grabbing mercenary whore exactly like the Steve Bruces of the game who fuck off as soon as a better offer comes in ...... quite possibly . I guess we'll find out this summer .

 

[SB_90]

bottler are you still drunk from previous night, are we talking about the same guy who got at promotion at the 1st attempt, both season & northamption, won the title with 100pts, won the 1st Yorkshire derbies beating Barnsley Wednesday & Leeds. did so well in 1st season in championship

hes only putting the pressure on because he knows like we have seen, the potential of this team & that if we can give him the tools to compete. So that we can improve on this squad. & budget wise. be near as we can level playing field to teams we competing with in top half. We can easily make the play offs. if anything if the chairman know whats good for them they will keep the money. because they are going to have to spend money in next 2 transfer windows anyway. regardless whose in charge & who would they rather trust with money wilder or likes of a warburton who might want chansiri type budget.

also we all know what can happen look at ranieri at Leicester, if we have underinvestment & end up in relegation battle hes knows it wont be his fault. but they will sack him. so I don't blame him for looking after himself​

 

[bertieblade]

Palace are the name in the frame to take him.

He is no bottler, he is one of us and speaks like a supporter with our interests at heart he just wants a solution but can see nothing in the short term and has put it out their in the forlorn hope that pressure applied may escalate a decision.
If we are disappointed just think of him and his staff and players. They have built this up only for McCabe and his lack of planning to blow it all away.

I blame McCabe for lots of reasons, the main one being that he brought HRH in after due diligence and if he does not like what he got it is no ones fault but his and the contract he drew up

 

[Chali 2na]

A money grabbing mercenary whore exactly like the Steve Bruces of the game who fuck off as soon as a better offer comes in ...... quite possibly . I guess we'll find out this summer .

Well aren't you lovely?

 

[Torrix1889]

You called him a bottler by implication, with your pointless OP.

Your post is insidious, the subtext of which is clear for us all to see.

Lol....wondered how long it would be before your oar appeared.....

 

[gavtheblade]

Love CW as much as I do but I can't help thinking that if he does walk at the first sign of boardroom trouble it will be a sure sign of him possibly believing in his own hype and a dose of billy big bollocks syndrome.

Maybe the board will ultimately call his bluff? 95% of Blades fans are shitting themselves that he will go....it's like pulling the fittest bird in the club but knowng you need to make the most of the short time you have her attention before she moves on to your more handsome mate.

His stock is still high.....but not as high as it was....you can't blame anyone for wanting a chance to better themselves but could it be a case of now or never for CW regardless of ownership arguments?

Personally I think he will be gone before the World Cup kicks off....... not because of the boardroom issues but because CW wants to.....he may never get another chance!

If mcabe manages to lose Chris wilder because of his stubbornly ways with the cash,then frankly I'd be done with the club.

 

[Chali 2na]

Lol....wondered how long it would be before your oar appeared.....

What can I say? I guess I just can't resist responding to your tripe.

 

[coolhandluke]

hes only putting the pressure on because he knows like we have seen, the potential of this team & that if we can give him the tools to compete.
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Well, either that or he's very publicly putting himself in the shop window .

 

[coolhandluke]

Well aren't you lovely?

I am, thank you . And you are too