Is CW a bottler?

[Torrix1889]

Love CW as much as I do but I can't help thinking that if he does walk at the first sign of boardroom trouble it will be a sure sign of him possibly believing in his own hype and a dose of billy big bollocks syndrome.

Maybe the board will ultimately call his bluff? 95% of Blades fans are shitting themselves that he will go....it's like pulling the fittest bird in the club but knowng you need to make the most of the short time you have her attention before she moves on to your more handsome mate.

His stock is still high.....but not as high as it was....you can't blame anyone for wanting a chance to better themselves but could it be a case of now or never for CW regardless of ownership arguments?

Personally I think he will be gone before the World Cup kicks off....... not because of the boardroom issues but because CW wants to.....he may never get another chance!

 

[Bladezz]

You succeed where the last few managers have failed. With a reduced budget in league one.

He finishes 11th first season back in the league with probably a positive net spend with the Walker money etc.

If you don’t back him he leaves.

It’s very simple to be honest.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Wilder is applying as much pressure as he can on the board.

Any Blade would do that. It needs doing.

He needs help from all stakeholders in the club: chief exec, mgmt team, players, fans.

 

[Weasel]

No, CW is definately not a bottler of anything. He is just someone who really cares about his club who he happens to manage (very well imo though he is still learning as he goes along). He's bright enough to know that he needs financial help now from those above him.

 

[SwissBlade]

Love CW as much as I do but I can't help thinking that if he does walk at the first sign of boardroom trouble it will be a sure sign of him possibly believing in his own hype and a dose of billy big bollocks syndrome.

Maybe the board will ultimately call his bluff? 95% of Blades fans are shitting themselves that he will go....it's like pulling the fittest bird in the club but knowng you need to make the most of the short time you have her attention before she moves on to your more handsome mate.

His stock is still high.....but not as high as it was....you can't blame anyone for wanting a chance to better themselves but could it be a case of now or never for CW regardless of ownership arguments?

Personally I think he will be gone before the World Cup kicks off....... not because of the boardroom issues but because CW wants to.....he may never get another chance!

Is he a bottler?
Halifax - Stuck it out until they folded
Oxford - Stuck it during their problems
Northampton - Stuck it out during the take over, made his feelings known publicly.
Sheff Utd - His stock is higher than its ever been

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Is Wilder a Bottler? Yes he is!

 

[Torrix1889]

You succeed where the last few managers have failed. With a reduced budget in league one.

He finishes 11th first season back in the league with probably a positive net spend with the Walker money etc.

If you don’t back him he leaves.

It’s very simple to be honest.

Yeah I get all that but many managers have rolled their sleeves up and cracked on with the challenge regardless.

My question is....could CW be just as much a bottler as he is ambitious...? Knowing that in all probability the boardroom situation may not be sorted and rather than facing a possible relegation scrap next season he walks whilst his stock is still reasonably high.....not that I would blame him to be fair!

 

[Torrix1889]

Is he a bottler?
Halifax - Stuck it out until they folded
Oxford - Stuck it during their problems
Northampton - Stuck it out during the take over, made his feelings known publicly.
Sheff Utd - His stock is higher than its ever been

All at a very low level if football....he's literally in a different league now.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Bottler, no. Ambitious, yes.

 

[wavy-blade]

No , he's just .....


A bit !!

 

[Bladezz]

Yeah I get all that but many managers have rolled their sleeves up and cracked on with the challenge regardless.

My question is....could CW be just as much a bottler as he is ambitious...? Knowing that in all probability the boardroom situation may not be sorted and rather than facing a possible relegation scrap next season he walks whilst his stock is still reasonably high.....not that I would blame him to be fair!

I don’t see where he hasn’t rolled up his sleeves?

I’m confused to what he has bottled?

In January we lost our best player and we lost Brooks both down to injury.

In January the standard raises in the Championship as teams like Forrest go and sign 9 players.

 

[mattbianco1]

Is he a bottler?
Halifax - Stuck it out until they folded
Oxford - Stuck it during their problems
Northampton - Stuck it out during the take over, made his feelings known publicly.
Sheff Utd - His stock is higher than its ever been

 

[Woodwardfan]

Yeah I get all that but many managers have rolled their sleeves up and cracked on with the challenge regardless.

My question is....could CW be just as much a bottler as he is ambitious...? Knowing that in all probability the boardroom situation may not be sorted and rather than facing a possible relegation scrap next season he walks whilst his stock is still reasonably high.....not that I would blame him to be fair!

It will be a fact that Wilder will have choices to make. Those choices will tear him apart - family security or staying on here, still well paid but small fry compared to some jobs.

 

[SelbyBlade]

Love CW as much as I do but I can't help thinking that if he does walk at the first sign of boardroom trouble it will be a sure sign of him possibly believing in his own hype and a dose of billy big bollocks syndrome.

Maybe the board will ultimately call his bluff? 95% of Blades fans are shitting themselves that he will go....it's like pulling the fittest bird in the club but knowng you need to make the most of the short time you have her attention before she moves on to your more handsome mate.

His stock is still high.....but not as high as it was....you can't blame anyone for wanting a chance to better themselves but could it be a case of now or never for CW regardless of ownership arguments?

Personally I think he will be gone before the World Cup kicks off....... not because of the boardroom issues but because CW wants to.....he may never get another chance!

How can he be a Bottler if he is standing up to the board and laying it on the line? All other managers are terrified to do that in case future employers are put off or they get sacked with the label of trouble causer? Look at Clough snr Leeds wanted rid 'cos he spoke his mind. Derby got rid after he won them the league for the same reason and it's the reason he was never given the England job. Boards don't like managers that speak their minds about them so as far as I'm concerned he is as brave as they come. Bottler FFS.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Bit of poetic licence there. I've followed Wilder's career throughout and there was a spell when the Oxford Chairman stuck with him too when the fans were baying against him.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

as teams like Forrest go and sign 9 players.

Run Forrest. Run.

 

[Torrix1889]

I don’t see where he hasn’t rolled up his sleeves?

I’m confused to what he has bottled?

In January we lost our best player and we lost Brooks both down to injury.

In January the standard raises in the Championship as teams like Forrest go and sign 9 players.

I' not saying he hasn't rolled his sleeves up and I'm not saying he has bottled anything.....yet.

As the great Billy Ocean said....when the going gets tough.....the tough get going....but that could be read either way in this case!

 

[sheffielder]

He’s anything but a bottler. Love him but I hate the fact we are talking about the board when we have overall had a good season.

The players are not getting the credit they deserve because of all this board shit

Can the press just stop asking about it until something happens. I know it makes headlines but it’s speculation and really is taking away from what the management and players have achieved

 

[LSF]

No! Ridiculous assertion.

 

[Liverpool blade]

I personally don't think wilder is going to walk away!!.
His interview yesterday was a deliberate attempt to get McCabe and the prince to sort this shit out quickly I m o.
I don't know if the prince was at the game yesterday but I'm pretty sure McCabe will have been there?.
McCabe will be under no illusions that wilder is ambitious but wants to achieve those ambitions with his beloved blades!!!.
You can't blame wilder for for wanting the situation sorted ASAP. We all do.
It's now in the hands of the board( no worries there then!!). We'll wait and see what happens but I'm sure that when I'm sat at bdtbl next season, I'll see wilder leading out his beloved blades. Have a great summer all of you?. BLADES FOR LIFE. UTB.

 

[SelbyBlade]

He’s anything but a bottler. Love him but I hate the fact we are talking about the board when we have overall had a good season.

The players are not getting the credit they deserve because of all this board shit

Can the press just stop asking about it until something happens. I know it makes headlines but it’s speculation and really is taking away from what the management and players have achieved

If it was as unimportant as that Chris Wilder would not have stated that he would be on his way if it drags on through the summer. The season was a good one overall absolutely, but the entire future direction of the club is at stake.

 

[SwissBlade]

All at a very low level if football....he's literally in a different league now.

So? Does that affect the man's principles? I think you're being quite disrespectful to him to assume, with no basis at all that he is a bottler.

 

[SwissBlade]

Heard that on his post match interview yesterday.

My point was that he stuck it out.

Whats your thoughts on it? that it makes him a bottler or that it means that he has a justifiable reason not to do the same again?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Yeah I get all that but many managers have rolled their sleeves up and cracked on with the challenge regardless.

My question is....could CW be just as much a bottler as he is ambitious...? Knowing that in all probability the boardroom situation may not be sorted and rather than facing a possible relegation scrap next season he walks whilst his stock is still reasonably high.....not that I would blame him to be fair!

I think your post is insidious and pernicious.

The term "bottler" is used to describe someone without courage - Wilder is definitely not that - and well you know it - at least, it is obvious to most people.

I'll ignore your suggestion that if Wilder should leave it will make him a "bottler" and give my view.

First, I fully expect Wilder to ramp up the ante a bit in terms of trying to exert a bit of pressure into the Boardroom situation, because his success next season depends on that being resolved fairly quickly. I don't think he's being anything other than totally honest here and I'm glad he feels able to express that concern.

Second, I do not think for one moment that Wilder will be going anywhere this summer. I think he is 100% committed to having another crack at it with the Blades. But not only that, I don't think that he has got the profile yet, as a manager, that most clubs who may be considered to be "above us" in league status or other, are actually looking for. I'm pretty sure he will have, in time, but not yet. I think he's viewed as a promising manager, but one that has plied most of his years in the lower leagues so far and no track record outside the top 2 divisions, except for an encouraging season, this season, with Sheffield United. A lot of these "bigger" clubs are looking for managers with international experience as a minimum, which is why we've got so many foreign managers at the top level. So, although us Blades have a real insight as to what a fantastic manager Wilder is, our perception of his value isn't shared by many others outside the club at the top levels of the game. Not yet.

If "95% of Blades are "shitting themselves that he will go", then I must be in the other 5% then - because I have no concerns about that whatsoever.

He will stay. 100% certain. BUT...if he isn't backed in summer to go out and bring some quality into the team, and it could be expensive because we are looking at a new strike force for a start, plus some pace in the team, a left back and a centre half, oh...and a goalkeeper, then that could be the beginning of the end.

The actual "end" will come only when Wilder feels completely hopeless and helpless that he can't take this club any further.

And we are not at that point yet.

 

[mattbianco1]

Heard that on his post match interview yesterday.

My point was that he stuck it out.

Whats your thoughts on it? that it makes him a bottler or that it means that he has a justifiable reason not to do the same again?

He's not a bottler. As someone else alluded to, he's just throwing his toys out the pram.

By the sounds of it, he doesn't want McCabe to leave and is clearly worried about what the Prince will bring to the table and how the club will be run.

If he leaves before giving it at least a crack, then I would say he's making a mistake. He's been asking for board backing and has received little in the way of money to sign players of the calibre he needs.
The Prince 'may' bring that if he gets sole charge. There were rumours he wanted to spend in January but as he only owns 50% wanted McCabe to match his input. McCabe didn't, so we didn't spend big.

If the Prince has full control, we may get to see this expenditure. Should Wilder leave because he's mates with McCabe, without at least seeing how he's backed in the summer would be a pathetic thing to do. He'll be sat at WBA or Soton looking at some random foreign coach in charge of his beloved Blades thinking - "I'd win the league with that money".

I honestly think if he leaves without at least giving it a crack, he's cutting his nose off to spite his face.

 

[Torrix1889]

So? Does that affect the man's principles? I think you're being quite disrespectful to him to assume, with no basis at all that he is a bottler.

Don' twist my words Swiss.....I haven't said that he is a bottler.....I have asked the question as to whether he could be....subtle but big difference there...I personally have all the respect in the world for what CW has done for the club so far.

 

[Dkc]

It will be a fact that Wilder will have choices to make. Those choices will tear him apart - family security or staying on here, still well paid but small fry compared to some jobs.

"Family security" being a euphemism for "loads of dosh for Chris, which he can do what he likes with". I'd imagine that having being a football league manager for 7-8 years, and a non league manager for eight before that, he'll already be able to keep his family more "secure" than the vast majority of people. You make it sound like he's placing his family in danger if he continues in his well-paid job at the Lane.

 

[SwissBlade]

Don' twist my words Swiss.....I haven't said that he is a bottler.....I have asked the question as to whether he could be....subtle but big difference there...I personally have all the respect in the world for what CW has done for the club so far.

I didn't need to twist your words, i just looked at your personal opinion:

Personally I think he will be gone before the World Cup kicks off....... not because of the boardroom issues but because CW wants to.....he may never get another chance!

 

[Torrix1889]

He's not a bottler. As someone else alluded to, he's just throwing his toys out the pram.

By the sounds of it, he doesn't want McCabe to leave and is clearly worried about what the Prince will bring to the table and how the club will be run.

If he leaves before giving it at least a crack, then I would say he's making a mistake. He's been asking for board backing and has received little in the way of money to sign players of the calibre he needs.
The Prince 'may' bring that if he gets sole charge. There were rumours he wanted to spend in January but as he only owns 50% wanted McCabe to match his input. McCabe didn't, so we didn't spend big.

If the Prince has full control, we may get to see this expenditure. Should Wilder leave because he's mates with McCabe, without at least seeing how he's backed in the summer would be a pathetic thing to do. He'll be sat at WBA or Soton looking at some random foreign coach in charge of his beloved Blades thinking - "I'd win the league with that money".

I honestly think if he leaves without at least giving it a crack, he's cutting his nose off to spite his face.

Hang on....he chased Leonard and Holmes for over a year and when they became available the board gave him the funds to get them....

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Don't worry about something you can't change if it happens it happens.