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I genuinely couldn't give a fuck about whatever it is that UEFA are trying to do here . I just hope that they don't de-value the Euros and World Cup with the addition of another tournament .
 
coolhandluke said:
I genuinely couldn't give a fuck about whatever it is that UEFA are trying to do here . I just hope that they don't de-value the Euros and World Cup with the addition of another tournament .
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No, the Nations League will definitely improve the value & quality of the EUROs & World Cup, as we get many, many more competitive like v like, at your own level, games & far fewer 10 subs friendlies. It makes the seedings for EURO & WC Qualifiers more competitive & up to date. It raises the profile of International Football across Europe. All points which can only help the value of the EUROs & WC. It's very very much "as well as" rather than "instead of".

The downside is that the new, last chance saloon, route to the EUROs (four teams) is an abomination.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Ah, got you. "Your kind" are finally admitting it's a UEFA Tournament & not friendlies.
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'My kind' hate the fat cats of UEFA and FIFA with a passion. They have stolen the people's game to line their own fat arsed nests.

Money has been making me slowly fall out of love with the beautiful game and I can see a day in the not too distant future where I jack it in.

You seem like a decent bloke and have definitely put your mileage in following United and Ingerland. For that reason, I'm more than happy to accept it is a tournament if that helps your day.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Fucking shit. This new abomination UEFA have conjoured up is bollocks. I have zero excuses for getting out of taking the Mrs shopping tomorrow, I am praying my gout comes on tonight.
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can't watch it anyway i don't think .. could be wrong. show's my level of interest
 
I should coco said:
'My kind' hate the fat cats of UEFA and FIFA with a passion. They have stolen the people's game to line their own fat arsed nests.
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It's not just them, though ISC, and anything being described as "the people's..... (insert noun here)" either sends a cold shiver of foreboding down my spine, or sends me screaming into a darkened room.

UEFA and FIFA are hangers-on with more power than they could hope to achieve by normal means (just like politicians), and very comfortable lifestyles. The same could be said for the F.A, which is run like one of the large charities I now studiously avoid, with well-paid and coiffuered career executives living the life while unpaid volunteers do the donkey work.

Today it's reported that David De Gea has been offered a five year contract worth £97,500,000. Plus add ons!

So it seems like everyone involved in football is making money out of it. Except, bizarrely, the clubs and their owners who heavily subsidise this circus.

But, I still can't say better than awblade in post 23. We should have closed this thread right there.
 
BushBlade said:
Wouldn’t it be interrupted by a couple of meaningless friendlies instead? It seems internationals are cash cows for the national football associations and they’re desperate to milk them.
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Yes you're right, my main problem is that these mid-season friendlies exist at all, regardless of format. Seeing UEFA double down by putting money and effort into a dull new friendly competiton is frustrating.

Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Cassius Kray
You make a point about Moldova v San Marino & we've essentially condemned them to a lifetime of minor football without the occasional respite of s big game.
Sorry, but you've got that completely wrong. The UEFA Nations League is IN ADDITION to EURO 2020 QUALIFYING, not instead of it. In December, there will be the normal seeded, all teams in it, 5 or 6 teams in a Qualifying Group for EURO 2020. Every chance Moldova will get Germany and San Marino get England (a fucking gain). No chance Moldova & San Marino will be in the same group.

"Minnows" such as San Marino now still have the guarantee of big games (eg v Italy) in EURO Qualifying AND the chance to actually win games in the Nations League v "their own level" (eg Moldova).

Much much much better than the previous arrangement.
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Fair enough, there's still some chances for them to play big teams in qualifying. But surely the fact that small teams "get to play games they might win" is not a positive, because they always had that option in the past but are now being forced into it?
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
This line of argument is of course a load of bollocks. But, it's marginally better than the - look at me, I'm such a Big Blade I demand they play in my front garden every single Saturday - argument.
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No. International football is wank in my opinion. Quite how you conflate my statement to what you state in your bullshit post is beyond me.
 
I’m sick of getting notifications from this dire thread now. Can we just declare Phil(?) as the winner of the thread and have done with it?

Closing statement - The Nations Cup (is that the name?) is great, fantastic, best thing to happen to international football, etc. Winner.
 



Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
The UEFA Nations League is the best thing to happen to International Football in my lifetime. A start towards proper like v like, league football with promotion & relegation, just like we have at club level week in week out.
In competitive games, England played Spain at the 1982 World Cup, then in EURO 96, and then again just the other week at Wembley in the Nations League. In that time, (since 1982) in competitive games we've had Andorra four times, San Marino six times, Macedonia four times & Luxembourg four times. Absolute nonsense. The sooner FIFA introduce a Nations League, and we can get proper competitive games against Brazil & Argentina the better. UEFA are shit - but this Nations League is a real Game Changer
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It may be a far better system than the old shit but it's still nearly two weeks without club football. Whatever happened to midweek internationals once or twice a month followed by league football on weekends rather than a big block of internationals fucking up the league calendar several times a season? And I don't get why every single club in the second tier has to observe it when many of them don't even have players on international duty! Why not just allow clubs with multiple callups to postpone their fixtures as happens in the third tier and below?

Quite frankly, if UEFA and FIFA had their way club football would be abolished. Internationals are falling out of favour with fans and players alike and the whole international break system only decreases their merit in the eyes of supporters.
 
The best thing for me this international break happened on a plane coming back from Malaga. in front of me were 3 Barnsley fans who had been to Seville for the England game , along with a few others on the flight. I tried to ignore them mostly , with their drunken loud mouthed boasting about how great Baarnslee are & how they are a class above all the teams in league one.Then another England fan , a pig, joined them & it got interesting. they started talking about the England game , then their own teams chances , then it switched to the Blades , & amazingly all of them begrudgingly started to praise United , & admitted we are a very good side! they were saying they expected us to struggle this season but credited us from kicking on & getting even better, the conversation finished with one saying " it's very worrying!" They hadn't noticed me sat smirking behind them with my Blades shirt on!
 
As I have said previously, whilst I would prefer England to win, it doesn’t ruin my life if they do.

But that game on Monday in Seville was stonking!

England were excellent but were hanging on in the end to a good side. Diers tackle on Sergio Ramos was worth the effort to watch on its own.

ball_sup-phil. Who, I think, might have been trolling me earlier, may be justifiably smug about his support for the new comp.

Certainly, it’s galvanised interest in a way that a friendly never could.
 
Klanger said:
As I have said previously, whilst I would prefer England to win, it doesn’t ruin my life if they do.

But that game on Monday in Seville was stonking!

England were excellent but were hanging on in the end to a good side. Diers tackle on Sergio Ramos was worth the effort to watch on its own.

ball_sup-phil. Who, I think, might have been trolling me earlier, may be justifiably smug about his support for the new comp.

Certainly, it’s galvanised interest in a way that a friendly never could.
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Klanger
Sorry. I wasn't deliberately trolling. I'm laughing a bit now that I was posting about people waggling their Dicks around, etc. Please please take my word that was not specifically aimed (snigger) at you mate. But, I did react to your previous statement that...

United fans are not really fans of England

As a committed SUFC fan & England travelling fan, it's natural that I know dozens of United fans who travel to virtually every England away game. Many older fellas who have been going to watch England since the 1980 EUROs & an increasing number of younger United lads. There were United fans I know who went to Rijeka in the hope of getting in behind closed doors. And, a much larger group roaming around in Seville. I just wasn't sure where you got the idea that no United fans are England fans.
You've got it right - meaningless friendly, Dier doesn't make that tackle, Ramos isn't putting the lot in on 90+8 to reduce the deficit.
The Nations League is the most important development in International Football in my lifetime. I went to my first England game in 1977.
 
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6 pages in and I still declare that international breaks as dull as fuck. Not one post arguing to the contrary has remotely persuaded me otherwise.
 
Stretch said:
6 pages in and I still declare that international breaks as dull as fuck. Not one post arguing to the contrary has remotely persuaded me otherwise.
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I was thinking that sort of argument through on my two Brewery visits in Seville, and trying to come to a conclusion on it as I moved on to the latest Seville craft beer bar. Yeah those breaks are dull a fuck, shit, wank, boring, meaningless, glorified.
 
If you don't like intenational football you won't like the Nation's League

If you not that bothered about international football but don't actively dislike it (this is my sort of range), you'll quite like the Nation's League because the games have meaning and are played as such.

If you like international football you'll like the Nation's League.

The on the fencers like me watching is why the Nation's League is good. They were going to play games anyway, why not have a bit of silverware.
 
bromtom said:
If you don't like intenational football you won't like the Nation's League

If you not that bothered about international football but don't actively dislike it (this is my sort of range), you'll quite like the Nation's League because the games have meaning and are played as such.

If you like international football you'll like the Nation's League.

The on the fencers like me watching is why the Nation's League is good. They were going to play games anyway, why not have a bit of silverware.
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Yeah, I see it as we’re going to have these international breaks anyway so I’d rather watch a game like the other night than a tedious friendly.

The benefit for us is that we’ve got an aging strike force and them having a rest every now and then isn’t a bad thing. It’s helping us to manage their fitness.
 
re: Nations League - format needs a tweak but the dynamic has changed. Spain were seriously mardy and aggressive in that second half v England. Same in all the other matches that i watched; players wanted to win. I think it's going to be a massive success eventually. I'ts much better than previous years. Negativity on here is because we are desperate to get on with our own currently exciting season. If we were bottom half of table more would have enjoyed it.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Sorry to disagree pal but it's shit (praying for shingles now)
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A tournament too far. Too much bollocks already in terms of England games.
I give you not one but two turgid pointless games v Belgium at the World cup.
Fucking dire.
Can do without this bag of excrement.
 
Would be interested to know how many of the 'international football is dull & shit' advocates gave the WC semi vs Croatia a miss.

Every week on here we see bad reviews of other championship games, how both sides played crap football etc.

Essentially anything other than SUFC is bad. I completely agree, just admit that's why you're saying it, rather than some other reason.
 



What's up with everybody? A 2 week break from the stress of flicking back and forth from site to site when we are playing away. No getting pissed off when a team you hate scores a late winner. No wanting to punch a pigs lights out in the pub, when he harps on how they have played all the worlds top teams while we have only played the small fry. A chance to keep her indoors happy by suggesting you take her out somewhere on a Saturday afternoon instead of going to watch the Blades (she hasn't a clue that there's an international break) and getting a gold star. What's not to like eh?
Anyway, into the club on Saturday with fingers and toes curled up and trying to stop myself shitting misen! Have a nice day.
 
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