Interesting comment by Wilder

[FATTYFOULKE]

...about teams raising their game when playing us. Not heard the interview but it's mentioned in an article on the Star website by Kevin Gage. Can't link it on my phone so if anyone can I would appreciate it.

Wilder apparently thought Oldham "were unrecogniseable to the team he'd scouted a couple of weeks ago"

Not an excuse for the six years of shit we've had but it is frustrating and I've always suspected that this to be a issue most of our promotion rivals in seasons past and present haven't had to negotiate.

Hopefully it won't be such a problem when / if we go back up.

 

[Lmaobob]

its an opportunity for the players to shine when playing the big clubs in hope that they are impressed and sign them during transfer windows

 

[coolhandluke]

Wilder's managerial prowess knows no bounds ...... excuses in already for the second and more demanding half of the season

 

[Stretch]

It is and has been a consistent problem but we really should have had enough about us in all of these years to cope with it.
For every team that have raised their game against us over the years we have also managed to perform like utter c***s against teams that were there for the taking.

Thankfully, things appear to have turned a corner now and we look like a team that can handle anything this league throws at us.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Not heard the interview but it's mentioned in an article on the Star website by Kevin Gage. Can't link it on my phone so if anyone can I would appreciate it.

I'll have a go mate. Where do you want to meet?!

 

[finlaytheblade]

Wilder's managerial prowess knows no bounds ...... excuses in already for the second and more demanding half of the season

Not an excuse at all ,too bloody right teams come here and raise there game ,FACT. He has said before we have to take that on board and get over it.
Previouse manages have used this as an excuse but I don't see that in Wilder's comments.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

It is and has been a consistent problem but we really should have had enough about us in all of these years to cope with it.
For every team that have raised their game against us over the years we have also managed to perform like utter c***s against teams that were there for the taking.

Thankfully, things appear to have turned a corner now and we look like a team that can handle anything this league throws at us.

Pretty much agree with all that. Just thought it an interesting comm

I'll have a go mate. Where do you want to meet?!

Had to read that twice to get what you meant

 

[Stretch]

Pretty much agree with all that. Just thought it an interesting comm

The good thing about it as well is that from Wilder it doesn't sound like an excuse like it used to, under Clough in particular. From Wilder it sounds more like we have to handle it, and we are good enough if we do everything we should do. The ball is in our court, so to speak.

 

[SteveBlade]

Leeds, Owls, Southampton, Leicester etc. All would have faced the same problem. If you're good enough you go up.

 

[coolhandluke]

Not an excuse at all ,too bloody right teams come here and raise there game ,FACT. He has said before we have to take that on board and get over it.
Previouse manages have used this as an excuse but I don't see that in Wilder's comments.

It's a statement that carried far more weight during our first season back in League One . Nowadays , like it or not , we're part of the fixtures and fittings .

 

[sothall blade]

...about teams raising their game when playing us. Not heard the interview but it's mentioned in an article on the Star website by Kevin Gage. Can't link it on my phone so if anyone can I would appreciate it.

Wilder apparently thought Oldham "were unrecogniseable to the team he'd scouted a couple of weeks ago"

Not an excuse for the six years of shit we've had but it is frustrating and I've always suspected that this to be a issue most of our promotion rivals in seasons past and present haven't had to negotiate.

Hopefully it won't be such a problem when / if we go back up.

Coming to BDTBL is like their cup final when they are used to playing in front of 3500 home crowds, playing in front of 20.000 plus puts them in the shop window,hence they play a lot better

 

[chesblade]

He said that he had been to see Oldham the week before and how poor they were. He could not believe it was the same side because of how they had upped there game.

 

[finlaytheblade]

It's a statement that carried far more weight during our first season back in League One . Nowadays , like it or not , we're part of the fixtures and fittings .

It's still obviouse now or are you saying Chris Wilder is joining the other managers and making excuses for failure,when we have been beaten once in 19
games ,I don't think you are reading the tea leaves correctly Luke,have another look !!!

 

[coolhandluke]

It's still obviouse now or are you saying Chris Wilder is joining the other managers and making excuses for failure,when we have been beaten once in 19
games ,I don't think you are reading the tea leaves correctly Luke,have another look !!!

No , what I'm saying is this . Oldham did a job on us in both their planning and execution on boxing day and it was only a flash of brilliance from Billy Sharp that undid them . It was Oldhams overall effectiveness in stifling our game that Wilder was referring to . He'd seen them a couple of weeks beforehand and they clearly didn't exhibit anything like the organisational prowess they displayed at the Lane . It wasn't their cup final , we aren't their biggest scalp we are one of a couple of sides playing very well at the moment and they set up to stop us playing .

I don't think Wilder is as arrogant or ignorant of other teams in League One to suggest that we are the only club teams are really up for . Firstly , we aren't and secondly I would have thought Bolton would have been Oldhams biggest scalp ..... local rivals , new ground , new to the league etc etc etc

 

[Dalelane01]

Hes right (wilder)they have to raise there game against us or they will end up well beaten.lets face it we do have a good side.we will be stronger after scunny probably get beaten by bolton.lose one or two games here and there but nobody can argue we are not consistent as a team.especially wmhen we not at our best and still winp

 

[GrayBlade]

It's not good enough for a club like United to be as good as the top competition in this division and be 'in the mix'. We have to better, skilfully, physically and mentally to offset the extra percentage most teams find when they play us, especially at the Lane. The extra quality that we should be able to attract along with a good manager, should make the difference even if other teams do find more against us.

Other bigger clubs seem to have eventually realised this in recent years and usually have been promoted fairly comfortably in the end, but (IMO) we've faffed around with a mixture of average weak-willed players plus the odd 'star', and not one manager good enough or strong minded enough to take it all by the scuff off the neck to give players the confidence and to get the extra percentage we need to get out of our players... until now....hopefully.

 

[CarlingBlade]

Interesting in Roy Keanes book he refers to players who raise their game for bigger matches, fair to say he wasn't particularly complimentary saying they were cheating themselves, the fans who pay to watch them and team mates.

 

[SwissBlade]

Its natural to raise your game for the big games.

The problem we've had over the last couple of years is teams parking the bus. It makes it very tough to break down a team that only wants to defend with 11 men and catch us on the counter. Its not a complaint, we did it very successfully under Clough in the Cups. However, when teams raise their games to compete against us (it sounded like Oldham did this from the comms i heard) then it makes for a more competitive game.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

How very dare these no mark tossers raise their game and not just roll over and let us ponce about playing keepy uppy and hitting them for six every week!

I'm not saying Wilder is looking for some excuse here ,but WTF would any sane person think away teams are going to do. It's what we do when we get bigger teams in the cups and the ONLY reason we've had dispropportionate success in them.

BTW,plenty just come to The Lane,park the bus and whack it clear,and we know how hard we find it to get past them,that's not raising their game. We should be focussed on our game and not what the likes of fucking Fleetwood might do FFS.

 

[Sirius]

Hes right (wilder)they have to raise there game against us or they will end up well beaten.lets face it we do have a good side.we will be stronger after scunny probably get beaten by bolton.lose one or two games here and there but nobody can argue we are not consistent as a team.especially wmhen we not at our best and still winp

There have been glaring examples of teams 'raising their game' that referees should,perhaps have been more aware of.
Blatant time wasting by goalkeepers draws nothing more than a few kind words from officialdom. Play actors posing as footballers, exhiibiting Olympic standard diving techniques, as they gracefully go to ground and stay there after little,or no contact from a United player
Free kicks, throw ins miss taken, or from the wrong place, how it goes on. You've got the picture. Several important minutes are wasted or the rythm of play is disrupted

The whole is compounded when we take the lead and the referee adds five minutes at the end to reward the time wasters
Despite all of this I am confident that as a team we are dealing with these problems. At last we have in Wilder and Knill, reall football men who have the nouse and. Ambition. ambition with a capital ' A ' to take us up

 

[Jehovah]

Think we are just about dealing with it without generally being convincing. We have struggled at times to break down these teams who have performed poorly throughout the season. Shrewsbury, Bury, Walsall and to some extent Oldham spring to mind.

That said, we are picking up enough points so I'm happy with what we're doing.

 

[Dalelane01]

There have been glaring examples of teams 'raising their game' that referees should,perhaps have been more aware of.
Blatant time wasting by goalkeepers draws nothing more than a few kind words from officialdom. Play actors posing as footballers, exhiibiting Olympic standard diving techniques, as they gracefully go to ground and stay there after little,or no contact from a United player
Free kicks, throw ins miss taken, or from the wrong place, how it goes on. You've got the picture. Several important minutes are wasted or the rythm of play is disrupted

The whole is compounded when we take the lead and the referee adds five minutes at the end to reward the time wasters
Despite all of this I am confident that as a team we are dealing with these problems. At last we have in Wilder and Knill, reall football men who have the nouse and. Ambition. ambition with a capital ' A ' to take us up

Agree with all that

 

[1danewhitehouse]

...about teams raising their game when playing us. Not heard the interview but it's mentioned in an article on the Star website by Kevin Gage. Can't link it on my phone so if anyone can I would appreciate it.

Wilder apparently thought Oldham "were unrecogniseable to the team he'd scouted a couple of weeks ago"

Not an excuse for the six years of shit we've had but it is frustrating and I've always suspected that this to be a issue most of our promotion rivals in seasons past and present haven't had to negotiate.

Hopefully it won't be such a problem when / if we go back up.

Wolves, Wigan, Pigs but to name a few would have had to negotiate the same problem. Admittedly, Burton, Yeovil etc. won’t have. It comes with being a (relatively) big club. The flip side is such clubs should have the resources to put together a squad good enough to overcome that.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Interesting in Roy Keanes book he refers to players who raise their game for bigger matches, fair to say he wasn't particularly complimentary saying they were cheating themselves, the fans who pay to watch them and team mates.

The other relevant point from Roy Keane’s book is the importance of playing with match-like intensity in training through the week. He says you can’t turn it on on a Saturday if you’ve been laid back in training all week. A few players have mentioned that training under Wilder is much more intense which is, I believe one of the biggest factors in the upturn in form particularly in players like Coutts and Freeman.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Its natural to raise your game for the big games.

The problem we've had over the last couple of years is teams parking the bus. It makes it very tough to break down a team that only wants to defend with 11 men and catch us on the counter. Its not a complaint, we did it very successfully under Clough in the Cups. However, when teams raise their games to compete against us (it sounded like Oldham did this from the comms i heard) then it makes for a more competitive game.

I think one of the biggest problems is the timewasting that goes on and the weak referees who allow it. I reckon we’ve probably witnessed an average of about 50 odd minutes of actuall football per match at the lane this season which is a terrible rip off for the paying customers. If referees got tough and regularly dished out cards for time-wasting it would put a stop to it. A real bugbear of mine. I suspect we’d have got something v Walsall if we’d played anywhere near 90 minutes.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

There have been glaring examples of teams 'raising their game' that referees should,perhaps have been more aware of.
Blatant time wasting by goalkeepers draws nothing more than a few kind words from officialdom. Play actors posing as footballers, exhiibiting Olympic standard diving techniques, as they gracefully go to ground and stay there after little,or no contact from a United player
Free kicks, throw ins miss taken, or from the wrong place, how it goes on. You've got the picture. Several important minutes are wasted or the rythm of play is disrupted

The whole is compounded when we take the lead and the referee adds five minutes at the end to reward the time wasters
Despite all of this I am confident that as a team we are dealing with these problems. At last we have in Wilder and Knill, reall football men who have the nouse and. Ambition. ambition with a capital ' A ' to take us up

I don’t have a problem with refs still adding on 5 minutes and rewarding the timewasters. After all, we’re supposed to play 90 minutes so the time added on shouldn’t change depending on who is winning. It’s the failure to punish the timewasting and the failure to add on adequate time to compensate for it that bugs me. If 15 minutes have been lost to timewasting we might get 5 or 6 minutes added time. The 2 minutes added on at the end of the first half on boxing day was an absolute disgrace.