Interesting article by QPR fan

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Barton

Barton is a thug and he does play for QPR . However the bloke who wrote the article certainly hit a nerve with me.

UTB

 

[pommpey]

I'd hardly say it if it were not true, would I? You could have found these articles via Google in less time than it took to call me a pea-brain.

http://www.banktrack.org/show/news/there_s_no_such_thing_as_a_sustainable_global_bank_just_yet

http://www.bancosantandersinarmas.o..._content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=57&lang=en

http://www.wri-irg.org/node/15092

Many of these sites originate from anti-arms protest groups. One of which cites 'nuclear weapons/arms' over and over again, without providing much evidence to show that Santander's money is directly connected with these. Having worked for one of these companies (BAE Systems) and knowing the multi-level structures of such companies like I do, you'll be hard-pressed to linearly connect the sponsorship of one of the UKs top athletes with weapons of mass destruction. Mining information from anti-war sites doesn't give any credibility to your point of view.

I said Jess Ennis was responsible for her actions and specifically did not say she deserved the Twitter abuse, Pommpey. And suggesting that my argument is the kind that Ukip would use is ridiculous. I bloody detest Ukip.

Of course she is responsible for her actions. But by implication you suggest by what she did, she had what she had coming to her. Wrong, I say.

Your argument that other companies are just as involved in supplying arms is irrelevant.

Why so? Who do you bank with? Which supermarket chain which you buy your weeklies from is owned by a bigger multinational or fund which finances other such acts directly or indirectly? Which pub chain do you drink in? Smoke? Watch television? You singling Ennis out for having funding from Santander is no different to you pouring your hard-earned into a multinational oil company to fill up your car.

Jess is aware, because she will have been told, that the company for whom she drums up new custom uses the extra cash those new customers bring in (among other things) to invest in companies which make weapons, which are then used to kill people overseas.

It may surprise you to know that arms companies also supply a massive amount of firepower to governments to either deter or to prosecute actions against less savoury organisations such as ISIS. While you sit safely in your UK home, tapping out such tosh in the comfortable, Liberal enclave that permits such freedoms, there are people such as the Yazidi population of Sinjar who are quite grateful for these 'overseas killings' rather than the alternative option of being overrun, their women captured and raped, their men butchered (check out the Young News Channel for some breathtakingly brutal treatment) and their populations erased for good by frankly barbaric individuals. So, you know ... horses for courses and all that ...

Santander also is involved in destroying rain forest which ought to be producing a living for people in Brazil and is also vital in the fight against global warming. She doesn't need the money from the adverts but she has made a conscious decision to accept it. That (and not the Twitter abuse) is her own decision, and in my opinion it is an unethical one.

Is that OK?

Do you have the full details of Ennis's sponsorship deal with Santander? You seem to know so much about it. In that last tract, you also ticked two boxes - rainforest and global warming. No mention as to what project is planned which destroys so much of the earths otherwise unused resource. The Chilean dam projects would provide hydro-electric power to millions - free, clean electric power. Given the Chileans have recently shut down projects in Patagonia, I'd say much of this is hot air. And to quote from that link you posted, " ... They denounced the unethical practices of the bank due to its relation with the arms trade and its responsibility for the social and environmental damage caused in the Brazilian Amazon ... " where is the supporting evidence (outside pressure groups and green-influenced lobbyists, largely funded by competitors, ironically) to uphold this against arms companies, when other multinationals away from arms companies are doubly guilty of this?

And what the flying fuck has it to do with Jessica Ennis? She objected to a convicted rapist coming back to the club and pledged to disassociate herself from Sheffield United on principle, and was abused on twitter for it by morons.

pommpey

 

[SelbyBlade]

It's a very depressing piece, however somewhat an outside view. We are where we are and we have to look forward.
The piece concentrated on the playing side and management and the poor decisions of principally Kevin McCabe. It doesn't mention the transformation of the facilities including the ground and even more so Shirecliffe or the number of prospects that have progressed through it. We don't have a Charlie Austin but have produced England internationals.
Also the Ched situation has been expressed a little unkindly. The board were approached by the pfa, had an ageing right back (especially Matt Hill who is a decent guy) in the same predicament I believe the training facilities would have been made available. The difference being that I doubt the press would have even mentioned it.
I have nothing against the chap who has written it, but I don't share his fatalism. If you look at how much Clough did last season at the business end with Porter up front, then all is far from lost and with another semi to look forward to.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

And as for Jess Ennis, why does everyone not from Sheffield think that the sun shines out of her arse? She's a fine athlete with a nice face but she has also sold her soul to Santander, a company which invests in the arms trade and is consequently responsible for profiting from people's deaths, which Ched Evans is not. She occupies no higher moral ground than he does and is in no position to blackmail SUFC. While, again, misogynistic abuse on Twitter is horrible, she at least bears some responsibility for her own actions.

With due respect to their fans QPR are hardly the most likeable club in the world. They employed Harry Redknapp for a start and we all know what he is. And if we are talking about respect for women maybe the writer of the article would like to comment on Bobby Zamora's taste in ceiling decoration. Eh?

Blackmail? Bollocks!

She had a stand named after her by the club. She didn't ask for it, suggest it, in fact she was put in a position where to say 'no' would've looked churlish at best and very rude ungrateful and only interested in chasing the big payout (which is what you suggest). Her involvement in the whole Evans saga was none of her doing, blame McCabe who wanted the club to bask in reflected Olympic glory and inadvertently dragged her into it. That she chose to extricate herself is hardly blackmail.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Many of these sites originate from anti-arms protest groups. One of which cites 'nuclear weapons/arms' over and over again, without providing much evidence to show that Santander's money is directly connected with these. Having worked for one of these companies (BAE Systems) and knowing the multi-level structures of such companies like I do, you'll be hard-pressed to linearly connect the sponsorship of one of the UKs top athletes with weapons of mass destruction. Mining information from anti-war sites doesn't give any credibility to your point of view.



Of course she is responsible for her actions. But by implication you suggest by what she did, she had what she had coming to her. Wrong, I say.



Why so? Who do you bank with? Which supermarket chain which you buy your weeklies from is owned by a bigger multinational or fund which finances other such acts directly or indirectly? Which pub chain do you drink in? Smoke? Watch television? You singling Ennis out for having funding from Santander is no different to you pouring your hard-earned into a multinational oil company to fill up your car.



It may surprise you to know that arms companies also supply a massive amount of firepower to governments to either deter or to prosecute actions against less savoury organisations such as ISIS. While you sit safely in your UK home, tapping out such tosh in the comfortable, Liberal enclave that permits such freedoms, there are people such as the Yazidi population of Sinjar who are quite grateful for these 'overseas killings' rather than the alternative option of being overrun, their women captured and raped, their men butchered (check out the Young News Channel for some breathtakingly brutal treatment) and their populations erased for good by frankly barbaric individuals. So, you know ... horses for courses and all that ...



Do you have the full details of Ennis's sponsorship deal with Santander? You seem to know so much about it. In that last tract, you also ticked two boxes - rainforest and global warming. No mention as to what project is planned which destroys so much of the earths otherwise unused resource. The Chilean dam projects would provide hydro-electric power to millions - free, clean electric power. Given the Chileans have recently shut down projects in Patagonia, I'd say much of this is hot air. And to quote from that link you posted, " ... They denounced the unethical practices of the bank due to its relation with the arms trade and its responsibility for the social and environmental damage caused in the Brazilian Amazon ... " where is the supporting evidence (outside pressure groups and green-influenced lobbyists, largely funded by competitors, ironically) to uphold this against arms companies, when other multinationals away from arms companies are doubly guilty of this?

And what the flying fuck has it to do with Jessica Ennis? She objected to a convicted rapist coming back to the club and pledged to disassociate herself from Sheffield United on principle, and was abused on twitter for it by morons.

pommpey

Lets hope Mr Clough has read the article along with Mr McCabe . Rousing speech in the dressing room and we win 2-1. Might jog some home truths from the past , which is now affecting the present big time.


UTB

 

[Bladesway]

And as for Jess Ennis, why does everyone not from Sheffield think that the sun shines out of her arse? She's a fine athlete with a nice face but she has also sold her soul to Santander, a company which invests in the arms trade and is consequently responsible for profiting from people's deaths, which Ched Evans is not. She occupies no higher moral ground than he does and is in no position to blackmail SUFC. While, again, misogynistic abuse on Twitter is horrible, she at least bears some responsibility for her own actions.

What utter wank. Taking sponsorship or being involved in someone's advertising campaign somehow puts you in a comparable box to a convicted rapist?

She hasn't been to prison for a start so I would suggest she very much commands the higher moral ground.

I'm not sure I have ever read something more ridiculous in my life.

 

[Calblade]

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footba...s-cup-runs-and-league-frustrations--interview Heres my interview with that interview as well.

 

[dublin 10 blade]

A sad piece to read but all , in all , spot on the mark , when our red tinted glasses are taken off
it is indeed a sad reflection of our fall from a position we in fact should be in.
A combination of bad signings , bad management choices , and bad investment choices ,
have put this club on its arse , and our current manager is trying to steady the ship,( in my opinion)
would we really have been bragging about walking the 4th if Mr Clough hadn't turned us around .
There are lots of things I find wrong with our club , team , and some sections of our striker is
Innocent fans .
The article goes OTT on the Ched bit but other than that it's a good read .

 

[boo radley]

I was enjoying it till the blogger started going on about Ched Evans. It is simply not true that Blades supporters only spoke up for him because he could have scored us some goals, and I should know because I am one. There have been vile Twitter trolls making the lass's life a misery and they are disgusting people but they are a tiny minority and besides not all of them are United fans. When Evans went to prison, for example, Tendayi Darikwa of Chesterfield FC immediately wrote an abusive tweet about the woman in the case, as did lots of silly young men of his age, but that's not our fault, is it?

And as for Jess Ennis, why does everyone not from Sheffield think that the sun shines out of her arse? She's a fine athlete with a nice face but she has also sold her soul to Santander, a company which invests in the arms trade and is consequently responsible for profiting from people's deaths, which Ched Evans is not. She occupies no higher moral ground than he does and is in no position to blackmail SUFC. While, again, misogynistic abuse on Twitter is horrible, she at least bears some responsibility for her own actions.

With due respect to their fans QPR are hardly the most likeable club in the world. They employed Harry Redknapp for a start and we all know what he is. And if we are talking about respect for women maybe the writer of the article would like to comment on Bobby Zamora's taste in ceiling decoration. Eh?

I'd hardly say it if it were not true, would I? You could have found these articles via Google in less time than it took to call me a pea-brain.

http://www.banktrack.org/show/news/there_s_no_such_thing_as_a_sustainable_global_bank_just_yet

http://www.bancosantandersinarmas.o..._content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=57&lang=en

http://www.wri-irg.org/node/15092

I said Jess Ennis was responsible for her actions and specifically did not say she deserved the Twitter abuse, Pommpey. And suggesting that my argument is the kind that Ukip would use is ridiculous. I bloody detest Ukip.



Your argument that other companies are just as involved in supplying arms is irrelevant. Jess is aware, because she will have been told, that the company for whom she drums up new custom uses the extra cash those new customers bring in (among other things) to invest in companies which make weapons, which are then used to kill people overseas. Santander also is involved in destroying rain forest which ought to be producing a living for people in Brazil and is also vital in the fight against global warming. She doesn't need the money from the adverts but she has made a conscious decision to accept it. That (and not the Twitter abuse) is her own decision, and in my opinion it is an unethical one.

Is that OK?

I love Santander. Give me loads of interest on 5 accounts. What's up , did they not give you a mortgage/loan or something? I also love Jess Ennis. I hate ukip. I will also make a sweeping statement about Nuclear Weapons.
They kept the peace in the world and gave it time to reflect and realise what horrors total produces. After your supplied evidence about Harry and other things, I may bother to reply. If you can be bothered to research where your T shirt, jeans, trainers and other clothes were produced?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I don't believe it's a good as some think it is, wrong facts include 2 semis in the 90's when they were the 02/03 season and James Beattie got 34 goals in 62 games no one can say he was rarely found in the box. It looks to me like he decided to write this and ran out of things to say so filled the article with 6 and a bit paragraphs on Ched Evans which we are all very bored of now. Yes a lot is the truth but nothing us blades don't know already. If Clough is left to re-build I am not looking forward to the finished product. I predict that his win percentage will be way lower than Danny wilsons IF he makes 100 games something I doubt he will.

I don't agree with all of it either. I don't remember Warnock ever saying we were definitely safe from relegation for one thing.

However, I do think it's interesting to see an outsiders take on our recent history and the majority of it is fair and accurate.

He knows more about the Blades than most of us know about QPR.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Blackmail? Bollocks!

She had a stand named after her by the club. She didn't ask for it, suggest it, in fact she was put in a position where to say 'no' would've looked churlish at best and very rude ungrateful and only interested in chasing the big payout (which is what you suggest). Her involvement in the whole Evans saga was none of her doing, blame McCabe who wanted the club to bask in reflected Olympic glory and inadvertently dragged her into it. That she chose to extricate herself is hardly blackmail.

Toatlly agree Jess did not go chasing publicity with this. McCabe saw an opportunity for a a bit of cheap publicity and grabbed it with both hands she was a new mother that relies on sponsorship for most of her income. I dont have a problem with what Jess did. I suggest most of the problem is with Charlie 'the media whore' Webster who keeps re tweeting the feminazis posts or latest I hate Ched petition

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Why do you need to read the musings of some QPR fan about how Sheffield United have become such a clusterfuck?

 

[sportinguista]

"All this “everybody deserves a second chance,” “he’s done his time”, and “it was a miscarriage of justice anyway” gnashing and wailing is merely fluffy, worthy, liberal window dressing to mask the real reason Sheffield United want Evans back. Never mind some deeply held belief in second chances and rehabilitating offenders, the simple fact is that in football if you are valuable to your team and can improve their league performance and/or become a sellable asset, you can pretty much do, say and behave however you like."

Couldn't agree more with this paragraph. It's a sad indictment on the way the game is run these days (and, you might say, on the way we support it...let's face it, clubs have become businesses and we their client base).
As for Jessica Ennis not having the moral high ground over Ch*d Ev*ns, sounds like something you'd hear from Chubby Brown. And less said about him the better, really.

 

[stringjunior]

"went round to knob the drunken sloppy seconds of his friend"

Brilliant. Made me chuckle

 

[pommpey]

"went round to knob the drunken sloppy seconds of his friend"

Brilliant. Made me chuckle

There by the grace of god go I ...

Obviously, with full sober consent!

pommpey

 

[Darthblade]

Blackmail? Bollocks!

She had a stand named after her by the club. She didn't ask for it, suggest it, in fact she was put in a position where to say 'no' would've looked churlish at best and very rude ungrateful and only interested in chasing the big payout (which is what you suggest). Her involvement in the whole Evans saga was none of her doing, blame McCabe who wanted the club to bask in reflected Olympic glory and inadvertently dragged her into it. That she chose to extricate herself is hardly blackmail.

She didn't have to very publicly ditch the Club though. She could have had a private meeting with the Board, made her position clear and done it without creating bad publicity for the Club, but she chose not to.
I think that is what pisses off a lot of Blades.
UTB & FTP

 

[longinthe toothblade]

Great article - don't disagree with any of it really.

For any supporter it's a sad read. That said, let's not slit our throats just yet. Instead, we should take some encouragement that others have turned similar situations around. We did ourselves during Bassett's tenure.

Just needs the proper investment (we've been promised) keeping hold of our better players when they come through (as we were promised).............................and the coaching staff making the right purchases.

 

[felix]

Many of these sites originate from anti-arms protest groups. One of which cites 'nuclear weapons/arms' over and over again, without providing much evidence to show that Santander's money is directly connected with these. Having worked for one of these companies (BAE Systems) and knowing the multi-level structures of such companies like I do, you'll be hard-pressed to linearly connect the sponsorship of one of the UKs top athletes with weapons of mass destruction. Mining information from anti-war sites doesn't give any credibility to your point of view.



Of course she is responsible for her actions. But by implication you suggest by what she did, she had what she had coming to her. Wrong, I say.



Why so? Who do you bank with? Which supermarket chain which you buy your weeklies from is owned by a bigger multinational or fund which finances other such acts directly or indirectly? Which pub chain do you drink in? Smoke? Watch television? You singling Ennis out for having funding from Santander is no different to you pouring your hard-earned into a multinational oil company to fill up your car.



It may surprise you to know that arms companies also supply a massive amount of firepower to governments to either deter or to prosecute actions against less savoury organisations such as ISIS. While you sit safely in your UK home, tapping out such tosh in the comfortable, Liberal enclave that permits such freedoms, there are people such as the Yazidi population of Sinjar who are quite grateful for these 'overseas killings' rather than the alternative option of being overrun, their women captured and raped, their men butchered (check out the Young News Channel for some breathtakingly brutal treatment) and their populations erased for good by frankly barbaric individuals. So, you know ... horses for courses and all that ...



Do you have the full details of Ennis's sponsorship deal with Santander? You seem to know so much about it. In that last tract, you also ticked two boxes - rainforest and global warming. No mention as to what project is planned which destroys so much of the earths otherwise unused resource. The Chilean dam projects would provide hydro-electric power to millions - free, clean electric power. Given the Chileans have recently shut down projects in Patagonia, I'd say much of this is hot air. And to quote from that link you posted, " ... They denounced the unethical practices of the bank due to its relation with the arms trade and its responsibility for the social and environmental damage caused in the Brazilian Amazon ... " where is the supporting evidence (outside pressure groups and green-influenced lobbyists, largely funded by competitors, ironically) to uphold this against arms companies, when other multinationals away from arms companies are doubly guilty of this?

And what the flying fuck has it to do with Jessica Ennis? She objected to a convicted rapist coming back to the club and pledged to disassociate herself from Sheffield United on principle, and was abused on twitter for it by morons.

pommpey

Pommpey

You went to a lot of trouble to write all this and deserve a response but I don't want everyone else to die of boredom. If you want to carry on the debate let me know and we'll do it privately or in a different, non-football section of S2 4SU.

I really only intended to criticise the QPR blogger for what I considered a rude poking-his-nose-in load of waffle re Evans. Perhaps I should have left it at that. Anyway, 3-0. He can stick that in his pipe and smoke it. That's summat we CAN agree on.

 

[Bladesway]

She didn't have to very publicly ditch the Club though. She could have had a private meeting with the Board, made her position clear and done it without creating bad publicity for the Club, but she chose not to.
I think that is what pisses off a lot of Blades.
UTB & FTP

For what it's worth she never did ditch the club. She said if we took him on she wouldn't want her name on the stand. We didn't and guess what her name is still on the stand.

Thought her stance was bang on.

I know it's at odds to some people a woman objecting to a convicted rapist coming back but I really hoped most would at least understand the gripe.

 

[pommpey]

Pommpey

You went to a lot of trouble to write all this and deserve a response but I don't want everyone else to die of boredom. If you want to carry on the debate let me know and we'll do it privately or in a different, non-football section of S2 4SU.

I really only intended to criticise the QPR blogger for what I considered a rude poking-his-nose-in load of waffle re Evans. Perhaps I should have left it at that. Anyway, 3-0. He can stick that in his pipe and smoke it. That's summat we CAN agree on.

Amen to that, felix.

pommpey

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

He knows more about the Blades than most of us know about QPR.

They're the oldest club in the world.
I saw a movie once where Roman Centurions were waving QPR banners.

 

[RealMcCoy]

For what it's worth she never did ditch the club. She said if we took him on she wouldn't want her name on the stand. We didn't and guess what her name is still on the stand.

Thought her stance was bang on.

I know it's at odds to some people a woman objecting to a convicted rapist coming back but I really hoped most would at least understand the gripe.

Absolutely right. There should be no criticism of Jess Ennis for her stance, which she, quite rightly, made public.
Interesting article all round, but particularly interesting about Ched Evans and really made me uncomfortable with the club's behaviour because it states what I sometimes really fear but would prefer not to believe. I.e. SUFC just wanted a "free" goal scoring striker (however unrealistic that really was!) in order to improve performance.
In defence of the club I try to think that McAbe may have made some ill advised promise to Ched when he was sent down, and therefore felt he had a personal commitment to support Ched despite the facts. Just another bad decision on his part maybe, but it has some integrity nonetheless.
I am also uncomfortable with any defence of Ched and his right to rehabilitation, especially from righteous fans. As the blogger suggests, either get yourself proved innocent and move on, or show some remorse and real understanding of what you did and then move on. In either situation you can ask for help and support, and will probably get some - though understandably not universal.
Ched's current position is not compatible with the suggestion that SUFC or any other club should employ him. Good luck Oldham!
No more damage to SUFC on this issue please.

 

[Grappler]

SInce Warnock, our merry-go-round of managers has been terrible. The dark days of Mickey Adam's (his post match interviews on Radio Sheffield....), David Weir (what he was trying to do was the same as what NC is doing now, but arriving at work one morning to find Marlon King there must have been a shock), and each one comes with their own staff, and they (usually) all need paying off when they get the push. A bit of careful thinking when we arrived at the Premiership, or immediatley upon Neil Warnocks departure, could have changed everything.