I'm probably gonna become an hate figure but...

[mattbianco1]

Is it just me or is there a lot more doom & gloom on here since BU closed?

We used to always look at positives on here. Last night was our first defeat of the season and already i have read 4 threads this morning saying that we're doomed?? I can't get my head round it all

Don't get me wrong i'm not saying all our new members are doom and gloom merchants but it appears more are than not? Just a thought/question!

 

[beechblade]

There seems to be alot of doom and gloom this morning, now I may understand it if we had lost 7 in a row, I may be disappointed with the result but come on lets look at taking 6 points from the next 2 games and get back on track. We still scored 2 goals and as you stated in previous threads ( I think it was you?)that would be enough to win most away games.

I'm sure Blackwell knows his mistakes of lack of cover and I'm sure thats the issue he's trying to address UTB.

 

[super_pig]

we lost and played carp.. gloom and doom is therefore inevitable:cry:

 

[Houso]

Oh thanks, we'll sod off then

 

[Micalijo]

Why is serious comment about the disgrace that is a lack of cover at centre-back equated with doom and gloom? I cannot believe that a professional football team has only 2 centre-backs in a squad that is playing for multi-million pound promotion. All we needed last night was any old clogger to come in and win a few headers, keep Walker at right back and 3 points thanks very much. Huge chance gone to turn a really good start to term into a brilliant one but if you're not bothered fair enough.

What is the point in getting into football if you are so balanced that a defeat gives you no worries and I assume by definition, a win gives you little real pleasure

 

[Mousey]

Is it just me or is there a lot more doom & gloom on here since BU closed?

We used to always look at positives on here. Last night was our first defeat of the season and already i have read 4 threads this morning saying that we're doomed?? I can't get my head round it all

Don't get me wrong i'm not saying all our new members are doom and gloom merchants but it appears more are than not? Just a thought/question!

It does seem like depression is spreading like swine flu around here. The world didn't end last night, we only lost.

I do wonder about some people though. A lad infront of me last night called Henderson "wank" for setting Quinn up for a one on one. What did he want Henderson to do? Set Quinn up for a one on one and then climb into the stands to toss a few fans off? Prat.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Is it just me or is there a lot more doom & gloom on here since BU closed?

We used to always look at positives on here. Last night was our first defeat of the season and already i have read 4 threads this morning saying that we're doomed?? I can't get my head round it all

Don't get me wrong i'm not saying all our new members are doom and gloom merchants but it appears more are than not? Just a thought/question!

Don't want to set off a clique type us and them situation but Lenny aside, the doom and gloom seems to have been posted by people who have been here long before BU was closed. It's just the SUFC fans way, isn't it

 

[beechblade]

Why is serious comment about the disgrace that is a lack of cover at centre-back equated with doom and gloom? I cannot believe that a professional football team has only 2 centre-backs in a squad that is playing for multi-million pound promotion. All we needed last night was any old clogger to come in and win a few headers, keep Walker at right back and 3 points thanks very much. Huge chance gone to turn a really good start to term into a brilliant one but if you're not bothered fair enough.

What is the point in getting into football if you are so balanced that a defeat gives you no worries and I assume by definition, a win gives you little real pleasure

Yeah and that has been stated a plenty I'm sure they are looking at and I hope they sort it.

Its still the only defeat and 6 points out of the next 2 games will give us a very healthy 18 pts. People have to remember that Newcastle, West Brom and Middlesbrough players will start to become more attractive if they carrying on playing so well and the Prem clubs who need players will be like vultures come January. Can they keep it up if this happens I don't know but I seriously doubt it?

As long as we keep up with their pace and stay close enough to be a quiet but not too far out of reach problem for them than I'm more than sure we can make a serious challenge to get up amongst them and if not above 2 or possibily all 3 of them.

 

[derrywan]

I agree that there is generally a lot more knocking, not just of individual players/ team/ club/ management but also of other fans and posters. The club stuff is fair enough of course but the latter is out of order. We've none of us got a divine right to rubbish other people's views (unless genuinely offensive - racial/ religious insults for example at which point it's fair game to pull someone up I think). Things get well out of perspective sometimes and if it makes people think twice about joining a thread or having their say then we've all missed the point of a board.

 

[Bergen Blade]

It seems to me that the main criticism has been about the lack of cover at centre half and the disruption the loss of one centre half may have caused, and may continue to cause until we put it right.

The opposing argument seems to be "cheer up".

 

[raul]

Don't want to set off a clique type us and them situation but Lenny aside, the doom and gloom seems to have been posted by people who have been here long before BU was closed. It's just the SUFC fans way, isn't it

Had to have a bit of a smile at that myself Fleety, remembering you and your gang in the shed. Who was the one who's name you forgot? Woodfield or Moorhouse or something wasn't it?

 

[beechblade]

It seems to me that the main criticism has been about the lack of cover at centre half and the disruption the loss of one centre half may have caused, and may continue to cause until we put it right.

The opposing argument seems to be "cheer up".

Yes but everyone has shared criticism on this we all know it.

But the complete we have lost our chance of promotion and we have blown it for 1 lost is a bit too much don't you think? yes there were mistakes, but there are positives to take and the fact were scoring and look more dangerous as a team going forwad this season is a plus for me, one blip out of 7 isn't bad.

 

[Bergen Blade]

The worries and warnings were there in the summer, during the transfer window, following our good start to the season and also leading up to this busy and vital week.

They gained strength when we let Bromby go without bringing someone in, and we're now faced with a situation that if we bring in a loan centre half, we may have to drop Treacy to be allowed to play him.

This is the argument. Of course we haven't blown promotion already, but as you say there is common consensus on here that we've failed to address an obvious weakness in the squad and it's only natural that the worries are - repeated -following a bad defeat where the weakness seems to have been exploited. Many on here have pointed it out for weeks.

We don't want to cheer up at this moment in time, we want the problem to be addressed - while we still have an excellent chance to win promotion.

 

[beechblade]

Yes and what I hope is they address the situation for what it is now, but Blackie must not be happy with whats available, if he hasn't brought someone in yet. But we all agree on it, and I'm not asking people to cheer up, I just don't want fellow blades to not write us off after one defeat.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Had to have a bit of a smile at that myself Fleety, remembering you and your gang in the shed. Who was the one who's name you forgot? Woodfield or Moorhouse or something wasn't it?

Indeed and did we get any thanks when our Neil took us up, did we balls. Never been good with names Ralf :thumbup:

 

[Pinchy]

It's not the 'blip' Beech. I can live with that; every team loses matches they shouldn't lose now and then. Nor am I advocating doom & gloom. We have made a relatively good start and I'm delighted with some of the new additions; Harper will be an absolute gem when he fully settles.

BUT:

Trying to get by with TWO only centre-halves [Kyle W is a full-back; never ever a central defender] is Sunday League stuff. Last minute injuries and illnesses are inevitable and entirely foreseeable. It's basic stuff and should have been addressed weeks if not months ago. You don't wait for the crash before replacing your bald tyre.

The loss of valuable points last night was entirely avoidable; that is the frustration of it. It's common sense, not doom and gloom. If it is not remedied by Friday the scale of the folly becomes unforgiveable.

Now let's get on with roasting those Pigs shall we?

 

[MAQ]

There does seem to be much more doom and gloom around at the moment, although i couldnt say that this is down to new arrivals.

I cant personally understand it as last night aside, we have had the best start to a season for four years. OK yeah we arent playing the best football we have ever played, but things do look good, especially when you consider that united dont always start the campaign in amazing fashion!

 

[mattbianco1]

Why is serious comment about the disgrace that is a lack of cover at centre-back equated with doom and gloom? I cannot believe that a professional football team has only 2 centre-backs in a squad that is playing for multi-million pound promotion. All we needed last night was any old clogger to come in and win a few headers, keep Walker at right back and 3 points thanks very much. Huge chance gone to turn a really good start to term into a brilliant one but if you're not bothered fair enough.

What is the point in getting into football if you are so balanced that a defeat gives you no worries and I assume by definition, a win gives you little real pleasure

clearly a lot of people agree with my comments... look at the thanks i received. Yes we all know we need cover but a bad day at the office isn't the end of the world.

If Bromby had stayed i'm sure we'd've won last night. He & Morgan can play well together and Wlaker would have played wide BUT Obviously Bromby wanted to leave or he wouldn't have. Blackwell knows we need cover and cover is what he'll bring in.

Did you hear his comments last night? "Do i bring in loads of average players or a couple of quality players?"

I agree, sod the average players wait for the quality. we don't need anymore Iffy Onoura's & Bruce Dyers that's going backwards. Give him a chance, he's waiting for the correct man.

How long did it take to get a good midfielder? Harper is proven to be a quality player, great addition. Think how many others we've seen come and go between Michael brown/Tonge and how many are still here? Why have they gone? Because they're average!

Give him some slack. If he brings in a shit defender everyone will say "No ambition" "League 1 standard" as they did with Jamie ward... are they still saying that now about our jamie? NO! Because... he waited for the quality player to come along

 

[jodman]

Did you hear his comments last night? "Do i bring in loads of average players or a couple of quality players?"

I agree, sod the average players wait for the quality.

I agree with you overall Matt but this kind of statement from KB really gets my back up because he is still happy to sign the likes of Ryan France, Leigh Bromby, Kyel Reid and Glenn Little who are all average players.

The bottom line is that you don't get quality without paying top dollar and we are certainly not in the habit of doing that.

Perhaps an average centre half would have made the difference last night.

All speculation i know.

 

[Bristol Blade]

What is the point in getting into football if you are so balanced that a defeat gives you no worries and I assume by definition, a win gives you little real pleasure

But it's noticable that there are loads more threads slagging Blackwell off after a defeat than there are praising him after a victory. Yet these same people who come out moaning straight away very rarely praise our performances when we win or play well. What is the point in getting into football when you are so unbalanced that even a victory gives you little real pleasure?

 

[Bramley]

clearly a lot of people agree with my comments... look at the thanks i received. Yes we all know we need cover but a bad day at the office isn't the end of the world.

If Bromby had stayed i'm sure we'd've won last night. He & Morgan can play well together and Wlaker would have played wide BUT Obviously Bromby wanted to leave or he wouldn't have. Blackwell knows we need cover and cover is what he'll bring in.

Did you hear his comments last night? "Do i bring in loads of average players or a couple of quality players?"

I agree, sod the average players wait for the quality. we don't need anymore Iffy Onoura's & Bruce Dyers that's going backwards. Give him a chance, he's waiting for the correct man.

How long did it take to get a good midfielder? Harper is proven to be a quality player, great addition. Think how many others we've seen come and go between Michael brown/Tonge and how many are still here? Why have they gone? Because they're average!

Give him some slack. If he brings in a shit defender everyone will say "No ambition" "League 1 standard" as they did with Jamie ward... are they still saying that now about our jamie? NO! Because... he waited for the quality player to come along

I think it's a fairly rudimentary argument to say a defeat brings with it a feeling of "no worries", I try and always be positive but there's an element of pragmatism as well. What annoys people like me though, is not the constructive and intelligent criticism that someone like Bergen delivers, but the constant complaining that the world has ended when we've only just lost our first game of the whole season. That's the point. The squad is small and its a concern, but to question whether someone shouldn't get into football because they don't spit the dummy out at the first time of trouble is absolute garbage.

 

[Jon Bon]

we lost and played carp.. gloom and doom is therefore inevitable:cry:

You're not codding. One defeat and some pollocks think that we've haddock already. C'mon, don't be so tench, just chill out and accept that occasionally we'll flounder. We can't be brill all the time. I'm sure we'll do the pigs at our plaice on Friday night and we'll all be doing the conger at the end.

 

[Bramley]

You're not codding. One defeat and some pollocks think that we've haddock already. C'mon, don't be so tench, just chill out and accept that occasionally we'll flounder. We can't be brill all the time. I'm sure we'll do the pigs at our plaice on Friday night and we'll all be doing the conger at the end.

Have faith in blacky, eel be ok.

 

[davidpinder]

I think it's a fairly rudimentary argument to say a defeat brings with it a feeling of "no worries", I try and always be positive but there's an element of pragmatism as well. What annoys people like me though, is not the constructive and intelligent criticism that someone like Bergen delivers, but the constant complaining that the world has ended when we've only just lost our first game of the whole season. That's the point. The squad is small and its a concern, but to question whether someone shouldn't get into football because they don't spit the dummy out at the first time of trouble is absolute garbage.

some good points well made in this post we shouldn't feel down about last night looking at what every manager who has played against us has said how good we are and difficult to beat we are obviously feared so i think its a good old fashioned utility player we need one that can play in a few stops like jags did, maybe an old head few doesn't expect to play every week.
Any way if anyone is feeling down check out triple assault part 1 on blades player that will bring a smile to your face.

 

[frechyblade]

I'd like to make a couple of comments:

I think KB thinks Kyle is adequate cover at CB and few would have disagreed after the hull game the other season, the cover for RB is perhaps of more concern.

I think the doom and gloom is heightened because of the next game,we are fearful that we will make the same mistakes on Friday with the consequences being more than just dropped points!!

UTB

 

[super_pig]

touchy bunch aren't you.. can't believe such a harmless (obvious) comment could provoke such consternation.. are we not allowed to be fed up that we lost.. 'you're so negative.. you're upsetting the team.. get behind the team.. you're not a fan.. '.. bollocks to that ..its as bad on here as 606
yeah all these negative comments.. blame it on all of the immigrants that turned up from BU (i was never on BU btw)..

 

[Linz]

As it says on registration, all opinions are welcome on here as long as they are expressed clearly and without resorting to childish name calling. A forum, by its very definition, is a platform for ideas to be shared, many of which may be contrary to your own.

That doesn't mean people need to fall out. It also isn't a personal slight if people don't happen to agree with you. This isn't school and you don't have to try and be popular.

BU is long gone and new members were welcomed just as any others were. You're all now our forum members and we'd appreciate not having to referee slanging matches across the forums. I've had to issue infractions today and I really don't like doing it.

So play nice. Whatever you think.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Going back to Mattbianco's original point (the bit about our new members generally being more negative) - surely it's the case that any group will develop it's own norms. In this case the average position of this forum was perhaps more optimistic than that of the old BU, and maybe the ways we express ourselves on here are a little more "measured" (judging by the fact that Linz has felt the need to use infractions).

The introduction of so many new members from a different forum "culture" was never going to be easy - but I feel that things have been less fraught than they could have been (from what I see as an ordinary poster - Linz and Foxy might feel otherwise?)

To be honest - there was a time when I felt "my" forum was in danger of being "taken over" - but now things feel more comfortable. I don't post as often as before - but that's because with so many new people, others often make my points before I get chance to myself.

Perhaps our forum has become a little more negative - and perhaps it is irritating and worrying to find that other Blades don't view our club the way we do - but I've yet to read anything - from new members, or from those of us who were around before - that has radically altered my view of the Blades - But then again - I'm an egotistical bastard!!

 

[mattbianco1]

touchy bunch aren't you.. can't believe such a harmless (obvious) comment could provoke such consternation.. are we not allowed to be fed up that we lost.. 'you're so negative.. you're upsetting the team.. get behind the team.. you're not a fan.. '.. bollocks to that ..its as bad on here as 606
yeah all these negative comments.. blame it on all of the immigrants that turned up from BU (i was never on BU btw)..

Who said you were from BU?

I was just making reference that i have notice more negativety on here since BU closed.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

The forum does seem to have changed it's flavour over the last few months - whether that's down to ex BU members or not is probably a matter of conjecture - or would at least need a statistician to prove!

I can cope with new people with more negative opinions than mine (cos I feel my thinking is generally stronger than theirs!! ) - but I am concerned to have read on three threads today that Linz has had to dole out infractions.

Many have said it before - but this forum is about opinions, not abuse - and Linz and Foxy don't need the aggrivation of slapping down gob-shites who seem to care more about their own opinions than the feelings of other Blades and for us as a forum - If there's a worrying change, this is it.

Those of you who took an infraction - sort yerselves out